Moorhead of Fordham
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I like coaches who do a lot with a little. Don't care about the level. Send B1G Flood to Fordham and see what happens
For every 100 candidates people suggest on these boards 99 of them are totally unrealistic. Herman, Fuente, etc have literally zero chance of coming here.
This is the 1 in 100 exception. Good job.
This is the 1 in 100 exception. Good job.
Lol.
Please, I came into this thread with an open mind, but that is ridiculous.
Ok...bill parcells then.
We're not getting a rock star. Wake up. It will have to be a smart hire.
Lavaos is right. People who think that we are getting some sort of big name have their scarlet colored glasses on and not listening to the dozens of reports and stories and sources that have come out. This is the type of coach that we will be getting.
I think I've seen you make this comment before on premium. Outside of Herman/Fuente and Rhule (who I don't want anyway) who exactly are these other 97 some odd candidates that are unrealistic?
Doug Meacham, Dave Aranda, Dino Babers, Matt Campbell, Scott Frost, Willie Fritz, Mike Norvell, PJ Fleck, Brent Venables, DJ Durkin, Gene Chizik, Doc Holliday, Jeff Brohm etc..are among some of the names that have been mentioned here. We all have our preferences but what makes any of these names or similar unrealistic. If anything a coach from Fordham is way more unrealistic thany any I mentioned.
Completely disagree. Big names like Fuente and Herman yes, not likely. Coordinators and most other mid major coaches aren't anything special and can be had. Heck Herman could have been had by us in 2013 and I was mentioning his name back then when most here were all on Narduzzi and didn't even bother to discuss it after I had brought up his background.
Herman went to Houston. Fuente to Memphis. Kevin Wilson OU OC to Indiana. Mike Bobo Georgia OC to Colorado State. Jim McElwain Alabama OC to Colorado State prior to Bobo. Narduzzi to Pitt. Malzahn to Arkansas St. Philip Montgomery Baylor OC to Tulsa and the list can go on and on.
You think guys like that wouldn't want to take a P5 job in the B10 in a decent recruiting ground?
I think there are guys in that list we could get and I think JH has the savvy to put a good offer on the table. Having said that, Moorhead looks interesting.
What does that even mean? You think Memphis was some plum job when Fuente took over? Houston? I've posted the article here multiple times talking about Herman literally peeling up floor tiles in their facility and going to Home Depot and fixing it himself. Our situation is so much worse than those when they took over. No way.
I've said I think we'd pay between 1.5-2.5M for a HC if we made a change. Even at the low end of that range at 1.5M that is still anywhere from doubling to quadrupling most of these guys current salaries. Meacham 350K at TCU. Babers 400K at BG. Frost around 400K at Oregon. On the high end you'd be doubling their salaries of those guys I listed and on the low end quadrupling. So what exactly is the situation, you're not giving any reasoning where I've given you plenty of examples and facts of what's actually gone on in the college landscape over the years.
I think bringing an FCS coach straight to the B1G leagues would be a horrible idea, but if we were to go that route I'd want KC Keeler. Yes, he's at Sam Houston State. He's a UDel guy from East PA who started his coaching HC career at Rowan before a ten year stint at his alma mater. He knows the Northeast recruiting landscape well.
Personally, I'd like to see RU go with Robb Smith. Had some of the best D and ST while he was here. Has P5 (SEC) coordinator experience and he's affordable. Disguises his defensive looks very well. Plus,with his resume m I believe he'd be able to attract a great OC that will be able to match the O with his defensive philosophy. That should be a huge part of the hiring process. Right now, we're a running team who know how to stop the pass. We can't keep up with anybody. Need an upgrade badly. He's clearly the best option for RU.
Personally, I'd like to see RU go with Robb Smith. Had some of the best D and ST while he was here. Has P5 (SEC) coordinator experience and he's affordable. Disguises his defensive looks very well. Plus,with his resume m I believe he'd be able to attract a great OC that will be able to match the O with his defensive philosophy. That should be a huge part of the hiring process. Right now, we're a running team who know how to stop the pass. We can't keep up with anybody. Need an upgrade badly. He's clearly the best option for RU.
First, there will be between at least 10 P5 jobs available. So many of these guys are going somewhere else. Second, another big group of these coaches would rather wait another year for a better job than us. Right now this is not a popular job. You will see.
I've also posted about that as well. Dating back to 2001 there have usually been anywhere between 11-13 P5 jobs open with 17 being the high and 4 being the low twice. The last couple years were lower than normal with 7 P5 openings each year. This year I think it could be towards the higher end say around 14 when all is said and done but nothing unusual except the fact that a lot of the movement is happening in season as opposed to the end of the season.
This year I think there have been 9-10 P5 openings so far and 1 in Minnesota is already filled and a potential opening in Purdue has said they're keeping Hazell through the offseason.
I don't think most of these coaches will wait for another year if they have a P5 opportunity and the fact that I've shown that many of these type of coaches take on jobs much worse than our shows that they likely won't wait. Your star doesn't shine bright forever and today's big name could be tomorrow's nobody, Tim DeRuyter of Fresno says hello.
Guys would rather stay at a lower level for half the salary than take a B1G coaching opportunity in this market? I'll bet not.
Of course not and I've given all the examples showing that's not the case. A guy making 1M+ as a coordinator might be a little more choosy but these guys I listed aren't that and even then some of those 1M coordinators will also take most P5 jobs. Chad Morris went to SMU from Clemson and he was paid 1M+, Narduzzi went to Pitt and he was paid just under 1M, Narduzzi did turn down UConn but that's not us stuck in the AAC. Even after that they got ND's DC in Diaco (who I don't like but still a coordinator at a name program). Point is look around and see what's happened to come to a conclusion rather than just saying we suck no one will come here.
Of course some of these guys will go to other places, someone's got to fill those jobs but it doesn't mean some of those names wouldn't be available to us as well if we had an opening.
They would rather wait to get a job that they think will be successful than at a place that could hurt their career. You'll see.
Hard to argue with "You'll see." Waiting at a MAC school instead of taking a B1G opportunity? Not happening. You'll see.
I've already given plenty of examples of coordinators taking jobs at places less desirable than ours so I have seen.
The only thing to say we'll see about is we're not JH to know who she prefers. Back in 2013 Golden's name was given as one she liked along with Mullen and now again Golden is being thrown out and this time he's available so if she likes him then the names I mention are moot.
But if she actually liked some of the names on the list I mentioned, they most certainly would listen and be willing to come as I've given examples. I'll be disappointed if it's Golden and the success of the hire would be heavily dependent on coordinator choice but we're not the AD.
I keep on saying you'll see I am basing it on articles I read, people I trust, things I have heard. I do think we will have some money for a new coach. People have said as high as $3.5M but I don't believe it. I think it will be in the $2-3M range. That still won't be the issue. No the issue will be the lack of institutional support and that it is too big of a hill to climb.
I have heard Golden's name being thrown about and that Julie really likes him so that is a possibility but I really do not like him as a coach. He will sink this program further than Flood.
By the way the guy that I want that I think is obtainable is Robb Smith. He has an attachment to the players on this team and I think that will mean something. I don't think he is the savior but I do think he would keep this program afloat.
I have heard Golden's name being thrown about and that Julie really likes him so that is a possibility but I really do not like him as a coach. He will sink this program further than Flood.
By the way the guy that I want that I think is obtainable is Robb Smith. He has an attachment to the players on this team and I think that will mean something. I don't think he is the savior but I do think he would keep this program afloat.
Everyone says he doesn't like to recruit at all. Now I'm not big on recruiting over coaching but at the same time I wouldn't want someone who has such a dislike for a big part of the job.
I don't know if Golden would sink anything but I wouldn't be confident in him. A CEO coach like him needs good coordinators. It's the same as Dabo at Clemson. He's known to be a good recruiter and he's a good rah rah guy but he works as a CEO coach because he's got good coordinators under him. He had a budget of 1M for each in Venables/Morris and now he's done a nice job of replacing Morris after he's left and set the table. Obviously, we don't have a 1M budget for each coordinator but the point is in my mind it would take that kind of good setup where the coordinators are strong for him to be successful.
I saw you like to incorporate a 3-4, well if you like that then Dave Aranda should be a good pick by that criteria. He's in my top 2, along with Doug Meacham, follow closely by Babers.
I've posted these articles about Aranda before, you should take a read. I believe he makes 500K at Wisconsin. You should look at some of his interviews on youtube too, I don't think I've ever seen a coach mix in x/o stuff into answering questions as he does. Seems quite knowledgeable. Kind of reminds me of a defensive version of Stanford's David Shaw. On the soft spoken side and not all rah rah but gets the job done. While he's not working with a coach who runs the spread at Wisconsin, he did work with one at Utah State and Hawaii so that makes me hopeful he'd use a spread if he ever became a HC.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/...cle_ebdf76fd-c897-504e-9c6a-26cca3bbf2da.html
http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/...dinator-aranda-a-skilled-coach-teacher-111114
My issues w. moorhead are:
1. Is the jump from Patriot League to Big Ten too much? Tressel Went YSU to OSU so maybe not
2. Fordham had scholarships while the rest of t he PL did not. Now that they are on equal footing can he stilldominate that league year after year ?
1. Is the jump from Patriot League to Big Ten too much? Tressel Went YSU to OSU so maybe not
2. Fordham had scholarships while the rest of t he PL did not. Now that they are on equal footing can he stilldominate that league year after year ?
Fordham? Are you kidding? Then he can get the rest of the staff from Delaware Holy Cross CW Post and Maine.
You act as if Rutgers would be the only job opening. There are numerous better opportunities. at the moment.
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This is reaching down a couple of levels...... You would have a lot of criticism to start with, for sure..... The level of coaches he is now out thinking is a few levels down also.....
Yes and if you saw my post below the one you quoted and others I've made here it's not an unusual number of openings. The only thing unusual is the amount of movement in season. On top of which some of these better opportunities will not be shopping in the same district as us, so there's not as much overlap as you may think.
I've given you examples of coaches who have taken jobs at less desirable locations than us and of course there were other openings in those years as well.
Lots of other programs have already tried to get Moorehead. Fordham reworked his contract 2x in about a year. He said he would only go to FBS for a "special" job which I don't think RU qualifies as from the admin side of things.
From WSJ:
"On Thursday afternoon, Fordham extended the contract of its head football coach, Joe Moorhead, for the second time in just 366 days. Moorhead is now under contract to coach the Rams through the 2022 season; the freshmen who will play on that squad are in the fifth grade.
“He has the entire package, and our student-athletes love playing for him,” said David Roach, Fordham’s athletic director. “We are very proud and fortunate that he is our coach.”...
“I love my job at Fordham,” Moorhead said in an interview this week. “The administration is very supportive, and I have a great coaching staff.”
Moorhead said representatives from about 25 NFL teams have scouted the Rams this year, and he acknowledged that “numerous” schools have been in touch during the past two seasons to ask if he’d like to turn around their football programs...
“Ultimately, it would have to be a very special job at the FBS level for me to consider it,” he said."...
That might explain why he accepted his second contract extension in a year. If he keeps it up, of course, his dream job will probably come his way well before 2022. Until then, as Roach said, Moorhead remains a “true man of Fordham.” Fordham is true to him, too."
At Fordham, Moorhead’s Two Great Years Are Repaid With Eight More
http://www.wsj.com/articles/at-ford...t-years-are-repaid-with-eight-more-1418435105
That's from 2014^
After losing 30+ seniors last year Fordham is now 9-2
From WSJ:
"On Thursday afternoon, Fordham extended the contract of its head football coach, Joe Moorhead, for the second time in just 366 days. Moorhead is now under contract to coach the Rams through the 2022 season; the freshmen who will play on that squad are in the fifth grade.
“He has the entire package, and our student-athletes love playing for him,” said David Roach, Fordham’s athletic director. “We are very proud and fortunate that he is our coach.”...
“I love my job at Fordham,” Moorhead said in an interview this week. “The administration is very supportive, and I have a great coaching staff.”
Moorhead said representatives from about 25 NFL teams have scouted the Rams this year, and he acknowledged that “numerous” schools have been in touch during the past two seasons to ask if he’d like to turn around their football programs...
“Ultimately, it would have to be a very special job at the FBS level for me to consider it,” he said."...
That might explain why he accepted his second contract extension in a year. If he keeps it up, of course, his dream job will probably come his way well before 2022. Until then, as Roach said, Moorhead remains a “true man of Fordham.” Fordham is true to him, too."
At Fordham, Moorhead’s Two Great Years Are Repaid With Eight More
http://www.wsj.com/articles/at-ford...t-years-are-repaid-with-eight-more-1418435105
That's from 2014^
After losing 30+ seniors last year Fordham is now 9-2
Don't confuse FBS with P5, there's a difference. I'm not interested in Moorhead anyway but there's a difference between turning down some low level FBS job and most P5 jobs.
