Multiple QB's Saturday??
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Well, you don't burn Oden's redshirt like that in this situation. Your current starter will be a senior next year, along with 2 others in the QB room. Another guy, Gio, shows some ability by taking his second handoff to the house.
Yet all of that means nothing, because Oden is your guy all along.
So yes, there will be more than 1 QB playing if Laviano is the starter. And his name is Tylin Oden.
Yet all of that means nothing, because Oden is your guy all along.
So yes, there will be more than 1 QB playing if Laviano is the starter. And his name is Tylin Oden.
And Laviano hinted that a 2 QB system may be on the way?:
Laviano continued to take the high road when asked if he would be comfortable as the starter in a system where other quarterbacks are rotated in for series.
"I'm 100 percent comfortable with that," he said. "Those guys have talent running the ball. Anyway we can get our playmakers in space with the ball, I'm all for. If it's best for the team, it's best for the team."
What an backhanded compliment.
I'm not sure Chris is in any position to imply that others may not be able to throw the ball well
Oden can still be a 'Medical Redshirt' up to the Iowa game, should coaches decide his hang nail is severe enough. NCAA rubber stamps it.
Sorry, but you are digging real deep on that implication. Stop drinking the Hatorade. Chris is a team player. You can be a team player too and not dig for something that is not there.
Gio had a pretty impressive run shedding all those tackles. He looked like James. Can he do that again? Oden showed some speed and moved the team in to scoring position. I'm sure we will see Grant taking more snaps - that has worked pretty well. In a situation where the clock is running out and big yards are needed I wouldn't be surprised to see Rettig come in. I Think the chances are pretty good that Laviano will sit more plays, and its all good for RU.
I think we will see multiple QB's during this game.
Will be interesting to see how it is employed. I'd only expect Gio/Allen if the game is out of hand or, Laviano is really bad.
But given the way Oden ran the ball, I could see him sprinkled in throughout the game, whether that be a play here and there, or a complete series(less likely there as that would really tip the hat as to play calling). What are chances Oden actually throws the ball?
Could we see Oden split out to receiver? With Lewis on the horizon is that not a long term possbility anyways?
Could we see Laviano line up as a receiver with Oden in backfield somewhat like we saw with Grant in the wildcat?
And while we are at it, could we see Allen do something similar(or switch to wr on a permanent basis?)?
Will be interesting to see how it is employed. I'd only expect Gio/Allen if the game is out of hand or, Laviano is really bad.
But given the way Oden ran the ball, I could see him sprinkled in throughout the game, whether that be a play here and there, or a complete series(less likely there as that would really tip the hat as to play calling). What are chances Oden actually throws the ball?
Could we see Oden split out to receiver? With Lewis on the horizon is that not a long term possbility anyways?
Could we see Laviano line up as a receiver with Oden in backfield somewhat like we saw with Grant in the wildcat?
And while we are at it, could we see Allen do something similar(or switch to wr on a permanent basis?)?
Ash will find a way to play the players he recruited. All coaches, managers, leaders do that with a "merger" scenario. Your guy vs. the previous guy's guy.
Not sure how it will all play out - but when you step back & take it all in, it is pretty clear that several things are already addressed in Ash's vision -
- Laviano is a transitional vehicle - for a short period of time he serves a purpose - he is in there to operate the offense as it is in the process of getting better - he is out there enduring cave-ins and breakdowns right now so that the real prospects for the future don't get annihilated - Sure it gets ugly right now - but when the protection & execution is more trustworthy, then Ash will put the prospects in to let them gain their on-the-job training
- Laviano is not starting for RU next year - (might even be elsewhere) - he came to RU early (Jan of 2013) redshirted 2013, played '14, '15, '16 - and has been an Academic performer ...so scholastically - graduation by this coming May would seem to be almost a certainty - if not earlier. Given the talent in Gio, Oden and others & and their maturation- and the desire to build for the future - if the offense is a bit more functional - the new guys play - no question. Since Laviano is not delusional - he knows he is not going to the NFL - he will either go off to pursue a business career, go to a lesser team with a decent grad program & play a final year as a grad transfer... or go to Europe ... but basically something other than standing on the RU sideline holding a clipboard.
- Laviano is a transitional vehicle - for a short period of time he serves a purpose - he is in there to operate the offense as it is in the process of getting better - he is out there enduring cave-ins and breakdowns right now so that the real prospects for the future don't get annihilated - Sure it gets ugly right now - but when the protection & execution is more trustworthy, then Ash will put the prospects in to let them gain their on-the-job training
- Laviano is not starting for RU next year - (might even be elsewhere) - he came to RU early (Jan of 2013) redshirted 2013, played '14, '15, '16 - and has been an Academic performer ...so scholastically - graduation by this coming May would seem to be almost a certainty - if not earlier. Given the talent in Gio, Oden and others & and their maturation- and the desire to build for the future - if the offense is a bit more functional - the new guys play - no question. Since Laviano is not delusional - he knows he is not going to the NFL - he will either go off to pursue a business career, go to a lesser team with a decent grad program & play a final year as a grad transfer... or go to Europe ... but basically something other than standing on the RU sideline holding a clipboard.
Hopefully you are kidding. Otherwise you have just opened the door for others to call you an idiot. So if I were you, I would at least pretend that it was a joke all along.
Doc, what makes you think Oden is the next guy up? He definitely looks like he can be a weapon. Great vision and effortless strides but Howard was done. On the Gio TD one guy fell and took out the other two guys who were tackling Gio.
Anyway Oden is totally different than Grant who also has great vision but changes directions much better. So it is possible. But the staff seems high on Gio right now as the backup and wants to get Grant as many touches as possible. As long as we win I won't complain about who gets the ball. Remember in early 2006 many of us were wondering why Leonard wasn't getting enough touches. Well we went 11-2 and Rice got it done. The staff is spreading the ball around but I suspect the guys who can make more plays will get more touches. Ash identified Martin, Grant and Howard so far. I think there are others and Odin will be one of them. This week? This year? Let's see.
I'd be perfectly fine with Laviano starting if it means we definitely see Gio and/or Oden put in for a 2 qb system. Laviano obviously cannot run like them. Maybe they've been working on throwing this week, because if not, it'll be painfully obvious what kind of play they'll be running if they come in.
Watch Oden's hudl video--Do you really think there is that much difference in his and Laviano's ability to throw? If at all I would estimate Oden has a better arm.
It's familiarity with the system that is impt. How do you get that? PLAY. Get some real live experience before the B10 schedule.
It's familiarity with the system that is impt. How do you get that? PLAY. Get some real live experience before the B10 schedule.
Agreed. But it will still take a while before things click, and we can't expect results immediately. Posted yesterday about Lamar Jackson's progress as a freshman at Louisville. He had quite a few spotty performances. And considering our issues at OL and WR, we need ALL facets of the offense to make our QB look better.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...-year-same-path-for-oden.107459/#post-2350417
You can also get familiarity with the system in practice.
To me, Oden playing this year is about getting him ready for next year.
Read article today about how Marshall Faulk was 3rd string at sdsu and when the first string was hurt, the 2nd couldn't find his helmet, thus Faulk got his chance. Ran for 300 yards--and still didn't start the next week! But couldn't hold him back in the long run.
So please, it's foolish to say that because someone is ahead on the depth chart in practice that they are the best choice. From Wally Pipp/Gehrig to Marshall Faulk and a zillion other data pieces, it's just makes one look foolish to say that we know all we need to know from practice and that the best are the ones playing. Sure, it will continue to be said here, but doesn't mean it's not a position without any merit.
Or we can just look at RU Football and say without any trace of doubt that the guys who have started here and were featured here are the guys who have gone on to the next level. The guys who are fans always want to come off the bench or get more touches did not go on to the next level.
I can think of only one NFL player who did not start here and that was because he changed from WR to CB and was developing while here. He played extensively his Sr year and all 3 CBs were very good. One is in the NFL and the other chose not to go.
I can think of one RB who had grade issues here and went on to play for the Giants.
Our fans all killed Teel and Nova and they all were our best QB's while here. The directional arrow points completely to the opposite of you and what you are all about.
That is not to say I will not support the next guy if he wins the job. I will 100%. I am just telling you basically to stop killing every starting QB we have and always saying the next guy is better. Just stop.
I can think of only one NFL player who did not start here and that was because he changed from WR to CB and was developing while here. He played extensively his Sr year and all 3 CBs were very good. One is in the NFL and the other chose not to go.
I can think of one RB who had grade issues here and went on to play for the Giants.
Our fans all killed Teel and Nova and they all were our best QB's while here. The directional arrow points completely to the opposite of you and what you are all about.
That is not to say I will not support the next guy if he wins the job. I will 100%. I am just telling you basically to stop killing every starting QB we have and always saying the next guy is better. Just stop.
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In Gio's case yeah, I think that is a solid argument.
But with Oden, him being a freshman, a very skinny one at that, is a big factor.
No doubt Oden lack of size is a concern, even if he was more physically ready, it is tough for a true freshman who was not an EE to start or play a lot early in the season.
Even for Gio, if he was better in the spring, he would have gotten more reps and would have been further along. He was behind CL and HR pretty much all spring.
Didn't we bench Savsge for Dodd. An NFL QB versus one playing in Italy of all places. Goes to show you sometimes coaches get wrong. Shoot Parcels had Scott Brunner ahead of Simms for awhile.
Exactly. Under the lights is the results that matter.
To bring up Teel and Nova proves the point. Teel should have never played while Hart was here, and needed a break while he was in a funk. He had a great senior year and deserved all the minutes.
Nova--good Lord--if anyone needed a breather it was him. He also had a great senior year and that was the year he should have started and played all.
Both circumstances prove that you need to let the players see the field in actual play to know what you have. Up until some here discussed nova and his back foot style, the green jersey argument was never heard--now it's everywhere, and perhaps overstated. But with our current starter it's still accurate.
Bottom line is you get better while playing and get to show what we truly have by game performance. CL has shown us what we have at great length. More than time to see what others can do in game situation. Especially pre B 10 schedule.
To bring up Teel and Nova proves the point. Teel should have never played while Hart was here, and needed a break while he was in a funk. He had a great senior year and deserved all the minutes.
Nova--good Lord--if anyone needed a breather it was him. He also had a great senior year and that was the year he should have started and played all.
Both circumstances prove that you need to let the players see the field in actual play to know what you have. Up until some here discussed nova and his back foot style, the green jersey argument was never heard--now it's everywhere, and perhaps overstated. But with our current starter it's still accurate.
Bottom line is you get better while playing and get to show what we truly have by game performance. CL has shown us what we have at great length. More than time to see what others can do in game situation. Especially pre B 10 schedule.
The starting QB at RU has always been critisized. But I wouldn't put Teel and Nova in the same category as Laviano. They had much stronger arms. Its obvious the coaches feel safer with Laviano's experience, but are desperate to develop a dual threat to take over as soon as possible.
I just hope the defense shows up ready to play on Saturday. Could allow us to see a 2nd QB much sooner...
I do think they want a dual threat. That is who we want to be. Desperate and ASAP may be a stretch and you are acting like what is obvious to you is what the staff is saying. There is a wide gap between what the coaches are saying and what is obvious to you. They want to put the best guy out there. When the next guy is ready he will be given a shot.
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