How is it? Must be better than Michigan State's.
NCAA Cinderellas and Practice Facilities (merged)
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Exactly, I don't believe the facility is the reason we have been this bad, for this long.
How's their conference? I bet if we were in CUSA we could win it every 10 years
An 11,000+ seat arena, which also hosts concerts.
Locker rooms and lounge recently renovated there. Plus .... look at this ... a practice court (although in my opinion not very impressive - but still a place specifically available for the bball team and only the bball team 24/7).
Every time a mid major beats a good p5 team someone says this and frankly it rediculous. We are not competing with UTEP and Florida Atlantic for recruits, conference titles, wins, tournament births. If middle Tennessee were competing against big ten teams like us for recruits, conference titles, and wins then not only would they never make the tournament but they would never get recruits with their crap facilities. So their facilities are fine for the 5th incarnation of conference USA but not for us who are trying to get recruits, attract top coachs, and win BIG games since well we are not in conference USA or any other low level $hit conference who win one big game every now and again. Are you following our coaching search at all?
Hilarious! I guess the OP should have done some homework!Actually looks like Middle Tennessee does have better facilities than RU.
An 11,000+ seat arena, which also hosts concerts.
Locker rooms and lounge recently renovated there. Plus .... look at this ... a practice court (although in my opinion not very impressive - but still a place specifically available for the bball team and only the bball team 24/7).
I am so tired of people on here with the facility bullcrap argument! What facilities or tradition did Connecticut have when Calhoun and auriemma took over? I'll tell you, nothing. They coached their nuts off and then kids wanted to go there. Did Pete carill have the players Georgetown had or countless other schools that he gave fits to? NO he didn't. He coached them up! Beilein, smart, Enfield, mccaffrey, these are all guys that did MORE with LESS, then earned themselves opportunities at better places with the fancy digs. The point is they initially succeeded in challenging circumstances. Hell, look at goodale here at rutgers. Our wrestling facilities are far, far from top level. He took barely mediocre and made something special out of it. That guy is out there. Find him! My message to hobbs, in the words of Bill Belichek, Do Your Job!
People in the same boat as the OP are missing 3 basic points:
#1. At this point a practice facility REPRESENTS that we as a university actually care about basketball (as does the new baseball/softball facility so they won't have to use the RAC). At some point you have to INVEST SOMETHING in the things you care about.
#2. The younger generation in GENERAL and even moreso those who follow the pop or hip hop culture care more about the "extras" than previous generations.
#3. Our main competitors very easily can say, "look at what we have and how we support and care for our basketball players". At Rutgers we can say ....ummm .... WHAT ... EXACTLY???!!!?!?!
#1. At this point a practice facility REPRESENTS that we as a university actually care about basketball (as does the new baseball/softball facility so they won't have to use the RAC). At some point you have to INVEST SOMETHING in the things you care about.
#2. The younger generation in GENERAL and even moreso those who follow the pop or hip hop culture care more about the "extras" than previous generations.
#3. Our main competitors very easily can say, "look at what we have and how we support and care for our basketball players". At Rutgers we can say ....ummm .... WHAT ... EXACTLY???!!!?!?!
Love the spirit at RU but if you guys and gals still think facilities including a total RAC renovation and new separate men and women practice facilities will not make a difference you are so incorrect. SHU plays in na beautiful building for 95 percent of their games. SJU plays in MSG often and is identified with that building and it helped them for many years pre the last few coaches. Now RU is in the BIG where the worst team has always been Northwestern who like RU has the worst facilities but a strong academic reputation shared by many other BIG universities. RU really needs a dynamic coach and again a coach who has connections on the main avenues and the back alleys to secure the recruits necessary. As good as Monmouth was this year they should never be spoken about in the same breath as RU nor should they ever beat RU at The RAC or anywhere else. Outstanding facilities improvement plan, + dynamic coach with connections and know how + Implementation of facilities improvement with completion date + improved salary structure for Assistants = Better recruits who are not considering the small and mid majors in addition to RU. All that equals a better program within a few years.
Could not find a Northern Iowa Practice Facility:
http://unipanthers.com/news/2015/6/23/GEN_0623150554.aspx
Ben Jacobson makes $725,000 per year.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...ract-details-missouri-valley-buyout/26904355/
Texas has separate facilities for men and women, and Shaka Smart, who makes $1.600,000 per year:
http://texassports.com/sports/2013/7/25/facilities_0725132807.aspx?id=221
The Denton A. Cooley Pavilion -- a two-level, 44,000-square foot facility -- is named for UT basketball letterman Dr. Denton Cooley (1939-41), who performed the first successful heart transplant in the United States (1968) and implanted the first totally artificial heart in a human (1969). The Texas men's and women's teams have separate 9,000-square foot practice court areas, each comprised of one full-court and one half-court practice area with seven basket stations. The practice facility also includes a locker room with a players' lounge, an instructional film theater, a 4,100-square foot strength and conditioning area, an athletic training and hydrotherapy area, an academic resource and activity center and a coaches' lounge and locker room.
http://unipanthers.com/news/2015/6/23/GEN_0623150554.aspx
Ben Jacobson makes $725,000 per year.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...ract-details-missouri-valley-buyout/26904355/
Texas has separate facilities for men and women, and Shaka Smart, who makes $1.600,000 per year:
http://texassports.com/sports/2013/7/25/facilities_0725132807.aspx?id=221
The Denton A. Cooley Pavilion -- a two-level, 44,000-square foot facility -- is named for UT basketball letterman Dr. Denton Cooley (1939-41), who performed the first successful heart transplant in the United States (1968) and implanted the first totally artificial heart in a human (1969). The Texas men's and women's teams have separate 9,000-square foot practice court areas, each comprised of one full-court and one half-court practice area with seven basket stations. The practice facility also includes a locker room with a players' lounge, an instructional film theater, a 4,100-square foot strength and conditioning area, an athletic training and hydrotherapy area, an academic resource and activity center and a coaches' lounge and locker room.
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That's not what anyone said.
The practice facility will be built in time. But the incessant whining and crying that we suck and we will forever suck because we don't have one now is a loser mentality.
Thanks Knightshift. People must think that teams RPI is directly related to practice facility. NO, it is directly related to the quality of the coach. No one is saying amenities don't matter, but a bad coach in nice digs will lose and a great coach in mediocre conditions will succeed. Find me the hungry guy that wants to be the builder. As urban meyer was told, good jobs rarely open up, BAD jobs open up. Take the job! Meyer took the crappy Bowling Green job. The rest is history. Oh wait, he used a football reference, basketball isn't football, paleeeeeeez. Football jobs are all bigger rebuilds. 85 kids versus 13. Find 3 shooters and 3 more glue guys and you can be successful in basketball.
Subpar facilities are a huge reason we can't recruit. Denying it as such is akin to sticking your head in the sand. Even Vivian Stringer is finding it difficult to recruit these days.
Look at our peers:
- Maryland plays in brand new Comcast center
-Syracuse has a newer practice facility
- Seton Hall plays in Newer Newark Arena
- St Johns plays at the garden
- Villanova has a newer practice facility
Our facilities make Rutgers look like a pauper program, and no one wants to play for a program like that. Coaches are reluctant to coach for a program like that because it is more difficult to succeed.
If Danny Hurley turning down RU to stay put at roughly half the salary, isn't a wake up call to OP, then I don't think he'll ever get it.
We get it, OP, you don't want to donate. We'll get this done without you.
Look at our peers:
- Maryland plays in brand new Comcast center
-Syracuse has a newer practice facility
- Seton Hall plays in Newer Newark Arena
- St Johns plays at the garden
- Villanova has a newer practice facility
Our facilities make Rutgers look like a pauper program, and no one wants to play for a program like that. Coaches are reluctant to coach for a program like that because it is more difficult to succeed.
If Danny Hurley turning down RU to stay put at roughly half the salary, isn't a wake up call to OP, then I don't think he'll ever get it.
We get it, OP, you don't want to donate. We'll get this done without you.
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We just hired a guy. Lunch pail, blue collar, Calhoun disciple, gym rat, program builder, not afraid of hard work, did it the right way! He is exactly MY kind of guy. I'll bet with him. I'm on board. Let's see if others support him or whine because we didn't get a slick-haired guy because he didn't see a practice facility.
That is more about talent than anything else. The coaching philosophy of being aggressive and never playing to lose and always attacking the hoop I guess is coaching but you have to have the talent to compete that way. Unlike Purdue, Maryland and Iowa that stopped playing offense aggressively and played not to lose. Not worried about Painter, Turgeon or Mc Cafferty as big time coaches in the Big 10
Owned.Actually looks like Middle Tennessee does have better facilities than RU.
An 11,000+ seat arena, which also hosts concerts.
Locker rooms and lounge recently renovated there. Plus .... look at this ... a practice court (although in my opinion not very impressive - but still a place specifically available for the bball team and only the bball team 24/7).
This board is full of folks that are in full cetainity of their ignorance. Your facts can't trump their ill-informed opinion. Anecdotes are valued more than trends.
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something to think about, even if Rutgers drought has been longer than these two programs
Boivin: Did new facilities help USC, Oregon NCAA Tournament cause?
>But in the realm of luring recruits, which is really the heart of what makes a program good, an impressive facility helps the cause.<
http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...lp-usc-oregon-ncaa-tournament-cause/99361260/
Boivin: Did new facilities help USC, Oregon NCAA Tournament cause?
>But in the realm of luring recruits, which is really the heart of what makes a program good, an impressive facility helps the cause.<
http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...lp-usc-oregon-ncaa-tournament-cause/99361260/
Of course they do. They're planning on building a newer, nicer facility. But the UND basketball team currently has space to practice.
The problem with a lack of practice facility for Rutgers basketball is that Rutgers basketball has no practice space. There is literally no separate place for them to practice. That means they have to practice on the floor of the RAC, in the same space used by WBB (and until this year also used by baseball and softball). So if the WBB had a game, or one of the other teams was practicing, there was no place for Rutgers MBB to practice.
Will having a practice facility automatically make the team a championship team? Of course not. But how can anyone seriously think that the team isn't hampered by not having a place to practice.
Fact of the matter is, the RWJ Barnabas APC needs to be up an running by the completion date given by Hobbs. Any major delays and it'll be Same old Rutgers.
Fans of teams that have little relevance keep looking for reasons why losing continues.In the end its always a combination of factors that include athletic department commitment ,fan support,donor support,facilities matching competition,coaches salaries and level of league competition .
In Rutgers case they have been on the wrong side for most of the items listed above.With Hobbs in charge Rutgers has a lot of catching up to be successful in a power conference like the B1G.
In Rutgers case they have been on the wrong side for most of the items listed above.With Hobbs in charge Rutgers has a lot of catching up to be successful in a power conference like the B1G.
The facilities will be there in enough time, then the question will become whether RU is going to pay it's basketball coach more than it's football coach....the goalposts will be moved from facilities, to assistant coaches salaries, to Head Coaching salary, to recruiting budget, to a host of other items that RU lags behind the curve on.
I can assure everyone here that if you don't retain and pay your coaches that perform, that trumps facilities 100%....if given a choice between retaining this current staff and facilities, I'll take the staff each and every time.
There are a number of programs around the country that have facilities and every so often those schools make a run and suddenly that school starts telling us what investment they've made into their program. I think what will happen is the facility will start on time and the staff will get their compensation accounted for, if we make another uptick in recruiting and on the court next year.
I think there is more than enough donations and revenue at RU these days.....we don't pay the Prudential Center money to rent a building for our home games like Seton Hall and we have a very good home court advantage at the RAC which is better than MSG, when RU is playing good basketball.
All RU and Hobbs needs to do is redirect just a little more money away from football and support RU basketball at a higher level and the rest takes care of itself.....the days of RU crying broke, isn't going to fly anymore. We have a revenue stream coming that if it wasn't there, great, we can argue all year long.....but it's a very real thing, this B1G revenue....things are happening, but it's not an overnight process.
I can assure everyone here that if you don't retain and pay your coaches that perform, that trumps facilities 100%....if given a choice between retaining this current staff and facilities, I'll take the staff each and every time.
There are a number of programs around the country that have facilities and every so often those schools make a run and suddenly that school starts telling us what investment they've made into their program. I think what will happen is the facility will start on time and the staff will get their compensation accounted for, if we make another uptick in recruiting and on the court next year.
I think there is more than enough donations and revenue at RU these days.....we don't pay the Prudential Center money to rent a building for our home games like Seton Hall and we have a very good home court advantage at the RAC which is better than MSG, when RU is playing good basketball.
All RU and Hobbs needs to do is redirect just a little more money away from football and support RU basketball at a higher level and the rest takes care of itself.....the days of RU crying broke, isn't going to fly anymore. We have a revenue stream coming that if it wasn't there, great, we can argue all year long.....but it's a very real thing, this B1G revenue....things are happening, but it's not an overnight process.
