NJ 101.5 Bill Spadea and Eric Scott SLAM RUTGERS
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Better off going to Rider? Sold to you, sir! Comparing the flagship State U to a 3rd tier private school with an enrollment barely over 5000, at a total cost of attendance of $55,000 per year. Why not shoot for the moon and send them all to Drew, you toolbag?
Rutgers In State Tuition is $14,638
That price almost doubles in you stay on campus.
But it is still more affordable than private schools.
Just silly non-sense from a radio station that can't get listeners without trolling.
That price almost doubles in you stay on campus.
But it is still more affordable than private schools.
Just silly non-sense from a radio station that can't get listeners without trolling.
Football isn't neutral. Football was $8M to the good last year. That $8M went to offset the costs of other sports.
Once again, I'm beating a dead horse, but if the school was named "UNJ" you wouldn't have two jokers on a NJ themed radio station blasting it. The fact that they confuse UNJ's academics with Rider College academics shows a failed marketing strategy by the university.
I put this on in the car on the way to work to see if this assclown was at it again.
He literally came back from commercial, talked for 2 minutes, and went back to traffic, news and commercial.
How does anyone listen to this drivel? The guy must be on air for 15 minutes max out of every hour.
He literally came back from commercial, talked for 2 minutes, and went back to traffic, news and commercial.
How does anyone listen to this drivel? The guy must be on air for 15 minutes max out of every hour.
No it doesn't Rutgers is extremely well known and regarded outside of NJ, on the West Coast it is considered a public Ivy and this is true around the world. All that statement says is just how misinformed and clueless the hosts are, so you have to think that if they put this little thought and research into Rutgers they must put about as much thought and researching into every topic they cover.
I agree it should be UNJ and then keep the colleges' names. Rutgers College would still be the distinguished academic college within the group. However, that is never going to happen IMHO. Absolutely no political will among the administration and state to make that change. Even with a name change there is a lot working against Rutgers. We have a very high percentage of college educated individuals within the state of which the vast majority did not go to Rutgers and had absolutely no desire to go to Rutgers. These people are not attached to Rutgers, support Rutgers, or even care that it exists. They do not push their kids towards Rutgers, it just not in their frame of reference. We will never have the same loyalty from the NJ residents as do schools in other parts of the country. Changing the name would help somewhat, but there still would be issues.
Well Glassboro State College changed their name after a $100M gift from Henry Rowan.
Maybe if we find a real rich guy named New Jersey and play our cards right your wish might come to fruition someday.
We get about $400 Million from an entity named New Jersey yearly. I'm surprised they haven't made the demand yet. Trenton State became The College of New Jersey, and they collect $60 Million yearly, though their state funding percentage is nearly in-line with ours (24%).
They complain about Rutgers' tuition but then say it should go private? Wut? Rutgers isn't even the most expensive state university in NJ. TCNJ is. Where is the animosity for TCNJ?
I agree that the tuition is getting too expensive but it's still less than PSU, Temple and Pitt if you were a Pennsylvania resident.
He's calling Rutgers an embarrassment for one reason and that's because he thinks it's a very liberal institution and he's a conservative hack.
I agree that the tuition is getting too expensive but it's still less than PSU, Temple and Pitt if you were a Pennsylvania resident.
He's calling Rutgers an embarrassment for one reason and that's because he thinks it's a very liberal institution and he's a conservative hack.
TCNJ Tution is $16,148
Rutgers-NB is $14,638
Compared to our PA friends
Pitt: In-state: $19,080 Out-of-state: $30,642
PSU: In state: $18,436 Out-of-state:$33,664
Temple: In-state: $16,658 Out-of-state: $28,418
Rutgers name >> New Jersey name and the institution is older than the state.
Rutgers has been a state school for what.. about 70 of its 250 years?
These other states filled with state pride in their flagship academic institutions.. they built those schools over a century or more. Those states (and territories) made deliberate decisions to create and fund higher education for their residents because only the wealthiest could afford to send their kids off "back east".. to places like Rutgers.. to get their college degrees.
In New Jersey, Rutgers was just one of many many options for its residents.. and probably for the first hundred years, religion had as much to do with the choice as anything else.. and being a Dutch-Reformed Church affiliated institution, Rutgers was serving a niche market. All the Rutgers presidents were clergy until 1840. Separation of Rutgers and the New Brunswick Theological Seminary wasn't fully achieved until after the Civil War (iirc).
Bottom line.. generations of families in other states have a close tie to their academic institution.. in New Jesery, generations of families mostly have ties to a disparate group of institutions.. Ivies and other privates.. catholic colleges.. other state Us that might have been more invested in issuing athletic scholarships to compete in sports for a much longer period of time than Rutgers.
This lack of emotional and financial interest in Rutgers pervades every element of New Jersey that would typically support a state flagship U in other states. A successful business in Nebraska would be expected to support NU. In New Jersey? Who is going to get their support? Probably the schools the owners or C-level execs have ties to.
Newspapers are expected to support other state Us.. when they are critical it is an effort to improve those schools rather than to tear them down. I'd like to talk about local TV media.. but Rutgers has none of that in terms of major networks. Only some scandal can get the attention of Philly or NYC media.
Politicians in those states are expected to support the State U.. work on its behalf in DC. But when was the last time you heard of a NJ politician working on behalf of Rutgers.. horsetrading their votes to get Rutgers.. ANYTHING? It doesn't happen.. NJ Politicians feather their own nests.. the party owns their votes. Even when the politician has a Rutgers degree this happens.. and when those Rutgers-degreed politicians just act like a typical corrupt NJ politician.. that makes Rutgers look great, doesn't it? (Torricelli and Menendez for example)
This especially extends to HS coaches who might influence recruits.. how many of them have Rutgers ties compared to HS coaches in Georgia and Florida and Louisiana having ties to those state schools?
Rutgers just has a unique background with unique challenges. Changing the name of the school would solve ZERO of those problems.
Yep.
There really is no logic. Connecting the athletic department subsidy to tuition hikes also is just being disingenuous. Football has always made money for the university. Considering he's a conservative hack I'm surprised he didn't realize that it's title IX that is the real culprit behind the subsidy, the subsidy that will all but disappear now that we're in the Big Ten.
I didn't listen so idk what else he complained about.
Most state in the Northeast are like that though. If you have an ivy league college in your state, that attitude is probably even more pronounced. Do you think Massachusetts residents have pride in UMASS? Connecticut residents have pride in UCONN? Rhode Island residents have pride in URI or New York residents have pride in the SUNY or CUNY schools? Nope. Maryland is somewhat similar although not nearly as bad as NJ with Rutgers.
Yes.. that is true.. but the context of this conversation is arguably about State School pursuing Big Time Football.. so comparison to those NE states does not apply.
Perhaps UMASS has an argument. They have a similar background but where Rutgers was named New Jersey's Land Grand school (over Princeton because the Governor had issues with Princeton's President), Massachusetts created the Ag School in Amherst. Both Rutgers and Princeton had plenty of farm land nearby.. but I think Massachusetts candidates were more surrounded by Boston.
But, yes, UMASS has similar issues.. but Rutgers is now a Big Ten school and one would think that means we have solved enough of those problems to get this far whereas UMASS has a ways to go. Again, though, our peers are not those Big Ten schools and other P5 level state schools with whom we compete.
Honestly .. if we, as fans and loyal alumn of RU, can do anything at all. We should be helping to right the ship on the in-state perception of RU. Unfortunately media and government and the "too good for public school" parents take as many shots as possible and they are nearly all uneducated and ignorant statements. Pretty much perpetuated by those groups themselves.
Nearly all the people that are associated with, attended, or experienced what RU is .. don't have the opinion that these other people do. In fact, its quite the opposite.
Things we can do:
Nearly all the people that are associated with, attended, or experienced what RU is .. don't have the opinion that these other people do. In fact, its quite the opposite.
Things we can do:
- Continue to talk highly of the school, education, use of funds in factual terms
- Proudly wear and represent the R whenever we go
- Publicly promote RU successes (both the school and alumn can do a LOT more of this)
- Make admissions and the complexities at the school MUCH SIMPLER and transparent (has been a focus of RU for last 5-8 years)
- Invest in making the campus more attractive and easier to navigate (campus investment has begun and is ambitious for next 5 years, but the buses are as bad as ever and nothing they've planned - the bike lane/route thing is a joke - will be making it better soon)
- Improve the most visible athletics teams - no matter what people say, this is the quickest way to improve a US schools reputation. Might be sad, but its undoubtedly true. And the money to the rest of the school follows quickly .. ask Alabama, Louisville (still a ton of admin resistance in this area)
- Raise the bar for a select few mainstream academic programs so that they are recognized, promoted, and visible as the TOP IN THE US. Such as the medical school, business school, law school, communications, political science, pharmaceutical, engineering. Take 3 of those and put all your effort and resources into being the best at them. (RU came out with a competitor analysis in the master plan published 3 years ago, but I feel like the focus was on departments which don't appeal to the mass majority)
- Significantly improve the US World News rankings. Another sad but true perception barometer. And RU internally has finally recognized this in the last 2 years and is planning to make steps forward.
- Give NJ residents a reason to be on campus A LOT MORE OFTEN. Things like teacher conferences, seminars, high school athletic events, concerts for the public, public speakers, etc. Make the residents of NJ feel like RU is a part of NJ as a whole, not just those that attend the school ! (RU is at a 1 out of 10 on this)
Call in to 101.5 and announce yourself as a RU alum and proceed to curse them out?
Think we could find a few women hanging around Barnacle Bill's who would go on the record as claiming that Spadea groped them in the 90s?
Most residents in Maryland seem to have a lot of pride in the Terps. The other states with the exception of Connecticut do not have Div. 1 football with the flagship school.
Pretty sure @GoodOl'Rutgers just did this after typing the above...
And if we JUST do the last bullet point suggested by @ScarletKid2008 watch how much good will we could get....
http://nj1015.com/rutgers-embarrassment-time-to-close-or-privatize-it/
SO MUCH WRONG IN THIS PIECE:
It's been too much for a while now. First Rutgers spends the lions share of their resources on the football program, unfortunately, at the expense of other sports.
Robert Barchi becomes the president of the University and things got worse. Not just his defense of an anti-Semitic professor and then the justification for racist vandalism which he said was protected by the First Amendment, but now recklessly spending state money to give raises to student workers.
It’s gotta stop. It’s an irresponsible move at best to spend dollars from a state university on a completely unnecessary wage hike for students while working families in the Garden State struggle to put food on the table. At worst, it’s classic political maneuvering to win over a constituency with other people’s money. You’d think he was governor or something.
Making more sense is that the New Jersey institution is among the most expensive for in-state tuition in the nation. Of course if the spending on programs and giveaways isn’t enough, how about a look at the salaries over the past few years.
It’s time to rein in the Rutgers patronage machine and fire the guy at the top. Incoming Gov. Phil Murphy has a chance to rebuild the reputation and take back some control of the tuition/taxpayer subsidized institution, which derives nearly 25 percent of it’s $4.4 billion budget from you. The university is virtually doing nothing to help the reputation of our state and certainly doing nothing to help families in NJ with great academics get a start in higher education. How about we cut the Rutgers salary budget and offer scholarships to the most deserving NJ high school graduates? It would be a start. But first, fire Barchi.
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AND THE DUMB COMMENT:
Cathy Franklin
I am embarrassed to admit I'm a Rutger graduate. The money it wastes has been an ongoing problem since the mid-1980s, starting with the football program. My daughter goes to Stockton University -- New Jersey's hidden gem.
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Jeff Goldman ·
Rutgers University
The football team makes a profit, Ms. Franklin. Get some facts and then come back and talk to me.
https://www.nj.com/.../did_rutgers_football_turn_a_profit...
Like · Reply · 2 hrs
SO MUCH WRONG IN THIS PIECE:
It's been too much for a while now. First Rutgers spends the lions share of their resources on the football program, unfortunately, at the expense of other sports.
Robert Barchi becomes the president of the University and things got worse. Not just his defense of an anti-Semitic professor and then the justification for racist vandalism which he said was protected by the First Amendment, but now recklessly spending state money to give raises to student workers.
It’s gotta stop. It’s an irresponsible move at best to spend dollars from a state university on a completely unnecessary wage hike for students while working families in the Garden State struggle to put food on the table. At worst, it’s classic political maneuvering to win over a constituency with other people’s money. You’d think he was governor or something.
Making more sense is that the New Jersey institution is among the most expensive for in-state tuition in the nation. Of course if the spending on programs and giveaways isn’t enough, how about a look at the salaries over the past few years.
It’s time to rein in the Rutgers patronage machine and fire the guy at the top. Incoming Gov. Phil Murphy has a chance to rebuild the reputation and take back some control of the tuition/taxpayer subsidized institution, which derives nearly 25 percent of it’s $4.4 billion budget from you. The university is virtually doing nothing to help the reputation of our state and certainly doing nothing to help families in NJ with great academics get a start in higher education. How about we cut the Rutgers salary budget and offer scholarships to the most deserving NJ high school graduates? It would be a start. But first, fire Barchi.
Read More: Rutgers embarrassment — time to close or privatize it | http://nj1015.com/rutgers-embarrassment-time-to-close-or-privatize-it/?trackback=tsmclip
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AND THE DUMB COMMENT:
Cathy Franklin
I am embarrassed to admit I'm a Rutger graduate. The money it wastes has been an ongoing problem since the mid-1980s, starting with the football program. My daughter goes to Stockton University -- New Jersey's hidden gem.
Like · Reply · 3 hrs
Jeff Goldman ·
Rutgers University
The football team makes a profit, Ms. Franklin. Get some facts and then come back and talk to me.
https://www.nj.com/.../did_rutgers_football_turn_a_profit...
Like · Reply · 2 hrs
http://nj1015.com/rutgers-embarrassment-time-to-close-or-privatize-it/
SO MUCH WRONG IN THIS PIECE:
It's been too much for a while now. First Rutgers spends the lions share of their resources on the football program, unfortunately, at the expense of other sports.
Robert Barchi becomes the president of the University and things got worse. Not just his defense of an anti-Semitic professor and then the justification for racist vandalism which he said was protected by the First Amendment, but now recklessly spending state money to give raises to student workers.
It’s gotta stop. It’s an irresponsible move at best to spend dollars from a state university on a completely unnecessary wage hike for students while working families in the Garden State struggle to put food on the table. At worst, it’s classic political maneuvering to win over a constituency with other people’s money. You’d think he was governor or something.
Making more sense is that the New Jersey institution is among the most expensive for in-state tuition in the nation. Of course if the spending on programs and giveaways isn’t enough, how about a look at the salaries over the past few years.
It’s time to rein in the Rutgers patronage machine and fire the guy at the top. Incoming Gov. Phil Murphy has a chance to rebuild the reputation and take back some control of the tuition/taxpayer subsidized institution, which derives nearly 25 percent of it’s $4.4 billion budget from you. The university is virtually doing nothing to help the reputation of our state and certainly doing nothing to help families in NJ with great academics get a start in higher education. How about we cut the Rutgers salary budget and offer scholarships to the most deserving NJ high school graduates? It would be a start. But first, fire Barchi.
Read More: Rutgers embarrassment — time to close or privatize it | http://nj1015.com/rutgers-embarrassment-time-to-close-or-privatize-it/?trackback=tsmclip
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AND THE DUMB COMMENT:
Cathy Franklin
I am embarrassed to admit I'm a Rutger graduate. The money it wastes has been an ongoing problem since the mid-1980s, starting with the football program. My daughter goes to Stockton University -- New Jersey's hidden gem.
Like · Reply · 3 hrs
Jeff Goldman ·
Rutgers University
The football team makes a profit, Ms. Franklin. Get some facts and then come back and talk to me.
https://www.nj.com/.../did_rutgers_football_turn_a_profit...
Like · Reply · 2 hrs
Dear god .... football program is stealing money off NJ's family dinner table? Stockton is NJ's hidden gem?! I'll go ahead and try to name folks I've come across professionally with Stockon .. zero. Which means Stockton grads are likely teachers, police officers and the like. Which is great, but far from a collegiate powerhouse gem.
Hmmm...
I read this as a mouthpiece article with a “run it up the flagpole” twist.
Agenda much?
I think we just saw the first “official” shot in an attempt to get the B1G money.
Great post. I really hope they are working on the "things the school can do" as those are all excellent concepts.
Guys , I hear the "my taxes going to Rutgers Sports " all the time." Before I start handing out that 25 cents per New Jerseyan goes to Rutgers Athletics line, are we sure it is THAT small. That really doe seem very very small.
