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Anyone watching that game and cannot clearly see that Indiana has better athletes and better shooters is clueless.
Anyone who thinks ANY coach in America could tkle a team with 4 scholarship players (one being Kone) to a competitive team in the B1G in 2 years after hitting rock bottom due to the Rice scandal is also clueless or they have another agenda.
Anyone who thinks ANY coach in America could tkle a team with 4 scholarship players (one being Kone) to a competitive team in the B1G in 2 years after hitting rock bottom due to the Rice scandal is also clueless or they have another agenda.
When we win 8 games next year (with all player Eddie recruited) will that be due to starting with 4 scholarship players too
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We were picked dead last. Nebraska however May be the most under performing team in the league this year.
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We lost by a combined 64 points the last two games but hey look at Nebraska! I don't care about Nebraska. I worry that next years going to be worse.
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There's a reason Danny Hurley wanted 7 years. He knew how long it would take to come back from being rock bottom after Rice. But.....a group of people on this board are expecting miracles from Jordan in year 2.
Can someone explain that's????
Can someone explain that's????
I'll explain this. You don't see a difference in the way we played in January vs now? I can not be OK losing in this fashion. For the second straight year, he has lost the team. For the second straight year, one of the better players on the team has given up (Seagears last year/Jack this year).
Now let's forget about these past two years. Why will Eddie be more sucessful in the next five years? Next years team is not going to be good. Why will he be in any better position to fix things? I can not support giving the wrong coach a free pass for three more years.
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Now let's forget about these past two years. Why will Eddie be more sucessful in the next five years? Next years team is not going to be good. Why will he be in any better position to fix things? I can not support giving the wrong coach a free pass for three more years.
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Because not being humiliated on a regular basis would not be a miracle. Winning now would be a miracle, I think we all understand that, but you can lose without being totally embarrassed.
Indiana is not that good, besides the obvious dangerous three point game. we were down 6ish at one point late in first half , and I couldn't believe it was that close as pitiful as the offense looked. they don't play defense , will get absolutly torched in the tournament, especially vs a team with any kind of inside game.
Another five to ten years before meaningful change will happen is beyond belief because this program barely has a pulse. What fans will see in future years will be a rehash of the Littlepage era where futility reached epic proportions and fans wore paper bags over their heads to express their distain.
Williams came in with a reputation as a shooter. he has been poor. Eddie's fault that he is shooting poorly? I have watched for 35 years and they shoot like littlepage's group. Just don't think two years is enough of a guide. Heck Purnell has been at DePaul at least 4 years and they still are below .500 Or Choppin put best guard on Mack and RU will not score.
This post was edited on 2/22 8:45 PM by shields
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In defense of Mike Williams, he's wide open on a fastbreak and Myles missed him and forced up a shot. He's waaaaaay down the list why we struggle.
He never gets into rhythm or open looks because the low IQ of the team is bottom 5 in the country. He should start over Bishop Daniels but doesn't.
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He never gets into rhythm or open looks because the low IQ of the team is bottom 5 in the country. He should start over Bishop Daniels but doesn't.
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Aggs I have no problem with Williams. He is a freshman. I did not know who Battle was as a frosh and then sophomore year he came on. I do know that Izzo mentioned he thought Mike would be good.
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Choppin...do you think EJ can recruit players good enough to win in the big Ten?
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What is the excuse for not making hard cuts, not properly using screens, and jogging back on defense?
Offensively we go through the offense...we run it, but with no passion or intensity. Convenient to blame players and not coach because players are gone soon.
Yes. Oliver Purnell should have been fired last year. Pointing out that DePaul made an awful hire and has not taken steps to rectify does not make me feel better.
Let's move to next year or two years from now. This coach / this staff is going to fix things?
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Let's move to next year or two years from now. This coach / this staff is going to fix things?
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Right now, he has to recruit to build a team with all the pieces. Many teams have won by recruiting players for your style, not top 50 guys. Butler, Gonzaga, etc.
Did you honesty think that any coach could come in after the Rice and get top 100 or top 150 players? Jordan got a top 60 player. Can you imagine the amount of negative recruiting against Rutgers after Rice? I could have recruited against Rutgers after the Rice scandal.
Top players are not looking at Rutgers right now.... the hope is to build a full roster and a team for your style and be competitive. Be competitive and better players will start to take a look. He does not even have a full roster yet.
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This post was edited on 2/22 9:07 PM by RU-Choppin-Ohio
The bigger issue today was on defense, not offense. Giving up 84 points? UGH - especially when you add in they would've broken 90 if their main rotation played the whole game.
I liked how Jordan played down the stretch with next year's players.
I liked how Jordan played down the stretch with next year's players.
Ruman, my point is DePaul has been as bad as us in last 15 years. Purnell probably should be gone but even that long they are not good. Not trying to make you feel better. I have been following team for 38 years and I am frustrated too.
We were not getting a top coach. But a more connected younger coach would have done a much better job setting up this roster for year 3. This idea of putting the pieces together is questionable. It will work if the pieces aren't all Big South or NEC players. The pieces better be able to play at this level.
Wins don't matter. It is more about getting the department revenue neutral. Investing in the program isn't happening, saving some huge boosters coming in and taking ownership. Rutgers doesn't have great success with that, so that is unlikely.
People think I am joking but the best move would be to suspend the program until such time as it can invest in a competitive manner, which by the way, is an absolute baseline. It is no guarantee by any means.
Not happening, I know, but it should. All of this losing does irreparable harm, and it isn't going to stop, literally, for a number of years more. This isn't rock bottom.
He should start over Bishop Daniels but doesn't.
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Of course.
Watching Daniels float higher and higher on the O end looking for the ball to do nothing so far from the hoop while the D plays 5 on 4 is painful. I don't think he spends more than 1-2 mins a game below the foul line. While he may not know better and is killing the flow, someone shouldn't allow him to be in there.
And the Etou moving violation while taking the ball out of bounds---Can you imagine that happening on (fill in the blank with 100plus schools)=no. And play goes on and the point is not made that being so unaware is unacceptable. We all want to Eddie to succeed but please stop allowing tyjr failure of these basic basic things to be the RU norm.
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Of course.
Watching Daniels float higher and higher on the O end looking for the ball to do nothing so far from the hoop while the D plays 5 on 4 is painful. I don't think he spends more than 1-2 mins a game below the foul line. While he may not know better and is killing the flow, someone shouldn't allow him to be in there.
And the Etou moving violation while taking the ball out of bounds---Can you imagine that happening on (fill in the blank with 100plus schools)=no. And play goes on and the point is not made that being so unaware is unacceptable. We all want to Eddie to succeed but please stop allowing tyjr failure of these basic basic things to be the RU norm.
Daniels bigger problem is defense. He routinely gets beat allowing his man into the paint, forcing a big to step up which leads to a drop pass for an easy bucket. That kid needs to go to defense camp 101. His defensive awareness is horrible.
I'm sorry to say it, but I don't think this is going to be rock bottom either. Maybe rock bottom in the sense that the players look like they aren't trying and have quit on the coach, but I think the team is going to be way worse next year. I really think that next year will be the low point and somehow they'll have to improve from there. Hopefully Corey Sanders can be that but he's not even top 50 and could have some SERIOUS chemistry issues. If he doesn't qualify next year, RU will be looking at an all time bad season and might even if he does qualify.
The worst year for Jordan should be his first year because of the disaster he took over. Not this year and we shouldn't be looking at next year and thinking it will be worse.
Always reassuring when an opposing fan tells us the worst is yet to come for RU BB.
Sometimes I find myself yearning for the Glory Days of Gary Waters at RU.
Makes sense. Jordan and his staff are teaching players to:
1. Not set picks
2. Don't make hard cuts.
3. Don't run back on defense.
4. Don't play hard.
5.Don't get into the middle of the zone and attack it.
Greene (Mike) Rice FIG..... Do you remember the post game interview with Jack on the court after the Wisconsin win? He specifically mentioned how Jordan gets on him for not attacking the rim and settling for outside jumpers.
To imply that Jordan is not teaching the right things is not credible.
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This post was edited on 2/23 9:02 AM by RU-Choppin-Ohio
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