Wins! Been saying on these boards for a long time that in big time athletics winning isn't everything , it's the only thing. Who cares what classes these guys take or don't take.
North Carolina!
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People with class and a sense of fairness?
I was out with friends and everyone in the place was more concerned about the games. Not one person mentioned the fake class scandal . It's jus the way it is. Two good games and an entertaining night.
When you say "fake class scandal," fake refers to class, not scandal, right?
They were both great games. But NC shouldn't even be in this tournament.
Should Louisville be allowed to play? Should Alford be allowed to coach? The list would be so long actually enforcing the rules would be the joke.
The NCAA is a billion dollar a year organization. It takes the responsibility of ensuring that college sports are played fairly and according to a set of rules. It is dramatically failing to meet those responsibilities with regard to UNC. That it is failing to do so in other situations as well doesn't mean that it should ignore NC.
The short answer to your question is that behavior that violates the rules should be investigated by the NCAA. They have tons of money. If they turn a blind eye to behavior such as NC's, it simply encourages more such behavior.
Agree wholeheartedly. It will be a real black eye for the NCAA to have to list the winner of the 2017 title as "championship vacated." But it will be their own damn fault for letting this go on for so long.
Skillet's a relic, fighting an argument that was lost 30 years ago.
It's important that he understands no one cares, but the Sid Dorfman's of the world. College Sports are big business.
It's important that he understands no one cares, but the Sid Dorfman's of the world. College Sports are big business.
Sadly,big time college athletics leads to breaking rules and regulations because there is so much money involved in having winning teams.There are times where schools are penalized for their behavior and other times they get a slap on the hand.There also are plenty of occasions where infractions occur and nobody hears about it because the matter probably is taken care of internally.I doubt the NCAA will ever satisfy sports fans especially when their favorite school is involved in a infraction of rules and regulations.
Argument was lost because not enough cared . Skillet might be a relic, but if there were enough that cared like him ( in the NCAA) 30 years ago there wouldn't be an argument over who gets punished and who walks away , the rules would have prevailed.
Some of you guys should just focus your attention on the NBA where the teams don't have to pretend their players are college students.
Relic? Guilty. But as a wise man once said, " Absent history, it is difficult to differentiate a freight train from a pendulum."
What goes around comes around, and this will, too. If you are too young to have spotted the purple unicorn on the merry-go-round of history before , you will think it to be brand new. Black Sox scandal. CCNY scandal, BC betting scandal, etc. It takes a while to get folks roused, but it will happen.
The people who are truly getting hosed here are the athletes. ESPN rakes in the money, the NCAA does, the leagues do, the bowl games do, even the universities do. The only people who don't get fair compensation are the athletes. Will that change? I don't see it in the next quarter of a century, but it might. In the meantime, it appears that the absolute outrage of UNC's behavior isn't enough to get folks to wake up. Nor Penn State's. But at some point, some university that isn't legendary in their sport will do something equally bad, and that is when the pendulum will start to swing back. You could take it to the bank.
If he is a relic, he's not alone. Either there is such a thing as student/athlete or just start minor league pro teams. The ones being hurt by this continues to be the athletes who are in fake academic programs and never graduate or play professional ball.
Most people don't care. The tournament is one of the biggest sporting events in this country.
THIS ^^^^^^
Let HS talent go straight to the NBA and those not drafted by an NBA team be eligible
to play for a JUCO. Then for a 4 year college after getting an associate degree from that Junior College
Also the NBA D-league might hold a draft for the HS players that didn't make it in the regular NBA Draft.
But it's time for the NCAA to police academics and cheating in the college ranks and
punish every school that breaks the rules and not have cases drag on for years.
Any school under investigation for over a year and fighting charges will not be eligible for the NCAA tourney.
NIT would be best they could do .
The NCAA is a billion dollar a year organization in large part because teams like UNC. Those brands provide huge revenue. Thats why when things like this happen they turn a blind eye because you don't bite that hand that feeds you. Its not right but its the way the world works.
I agree, but it's short-sighted. We are seeing that NCAA basketball is becoming a cesspool of unethical behavior. Folks on this board argue for joining in the cheating so that we can win more. If the NCAA came down hard on a few programs, you would see the cheating drop off dramatically.
In the absence of upholding some notion of student athlete standards, you will eventually see NCAA money-making sports be successfully taken to court for restraint of trade. The kids playing in this tourney are making way more money for their schools, their league, ESPN, and the NCAA than they are getting compensated for. And many of them, in the revenue positive sports, are not really student athletes. They are athletes who are associated with universities. They should not be receiving scholarships; they should be receiving salaries.
I'd actually see us hate to get to that point, but as long as the universities and coaches can get away with almost anything with minimal consequence, it won't be long before the people who are actually generating the revenue will catch wise.
Technically, the NCAA does not have "tons of money," as the vast majority of the money reaped from the TV contract goes back to the individual schools, who, collectively if not individually, have "tons of money" and don't want to see anything mess with that.
Ending the one-and-done BS wouldn't solve everything, but it would help. Simply make high schoolers eligible for the draft but require anyone under a certain age (19? 20?) to play in the D-League. Change the CBA so the years of service don't start accumulating until the player is in the NBA. (So teams aren't punished by only getting a couple of years out of a guy who spends more than one in Portland, Maine, or wherever.)
You get the total sham students out of college, you put big-time players in the D-League, thus energizing that outfit and selling more tickets, and you get players reaching the NBA with experience that more matches the pro game. You still get the partial sham students, but I don't see much being done about that, however much it would be nice.
When a regional final pairs the school that made a mockery of college basketball against the school that made a mockery out of college, most of us can't help but notice. And yes, there is more than one "relic" who gets pissed off about this.
It's not like we're asking for more than a 2.0 in American studies here.
Ending the one-and-done BS wouldn't solve everything, but it would help. Simply make high schoolers eligible for the draft but require anyone under a certain age (19? 20?) to play in the D-League. Change the CBA so the years of service don't start accumulating until the player is in the NBA. (So teams aren't punished by only getting a couple of years out of a guy who spends more than one in Portland, Maine, or wherever.)
You get the total sham students out of college, you put big-time players in the D-League, thus energizing that outfit and selling more tickets, and you get players reaching the NBA with experience that more matches the pro game. You still get the partial sham students, but I don't see much being done about that, however much it would be nice.
When a regional final pairs the school that made a mockery of college basketball against the school that made a mockery out of college, most of us can't help but notice. And yes, there is more than one "relic" who gets pissed off about this.
It's not like we're asking for more than a 2.0 in American studies here.
You end the one and done and you'll see 20 kids declare to the NBA-----10 of which won't get drafted-----worst thing you could do.
If the NBA and the NCAA were smart they would find a way to make kids play 2 years of college basketball.
You can count on your thumbs the amount of guys ready to play in the league.
Most end up in the D League
If the NBA and the NCAA were smart they would find a way to make kids play 2 years of college basketball.
You can count on your thumbs the amount of guys ready to play in the league.
Most end up in the D League
You're right about kids without a chance of being drafted jumping in draft after HS and losing a chance to go to college on a basketball scholarship, but colleges shouldn't worry about the choices those kids made, offering eligible recruits is what they should be doing, not talking kids out of going pro..
That would be up to their advisors and or parents to make sure their ready for pro game.
The best way is your :"make kids play 2 years of college basketball" before being eligible for draft. But that would be hard to do unless you tweaked it a bit.
Maybe by allowed HS talent that entered draft, instead of committing to a college program,be able to join the JUCO ranks if they don't get drafted and be eligible to transfer to a 4 year college if they earned an associate degree.
If they don't earn that degree ( within 3 years) not eligible for any 4 year college or if they enter draft again ( with or without associate degree ) eligibility voided.
Spot on comments which is the reason elite teams regardless of sport get so much media coverage.The notion that the sporting public is interested in watching losing teams is absurd .
it's certainly off topic and has nothing to do with RU basketball though. So why isn't it OT or on this board in the first place
Wow, troll much. Because yeah every post about the NCAA tournament on a college basketball board has OT in the title.
If they want to make even a pretense of being for student-athletes, allow varsity players in whatever sport to have a "minor" in that sport. If the standard of 120 credits still holds, give them 10-15 credits per school year--even if injured sort of a disability-like claim). Aside from that, they must take and pass REAL classes with an eye towards a REAL major. It is indeed difficult to keep up with schoolwork while dealing with a varsity sport. At least give them school credits for their hard work, whether or not it leads to a professional career.
Then the Kentucky's of the world would never even go to class. As if they do now.
I would think Unc's fake class scandal is typical of schools of that ilk.
Goss hurt his team by staying in the game. I get youre the leader and you want to tough it out but his ankle affected his last two shots.
That too. For the life of me I couldn't understand why unc didn't attack the paint every possession the last 10 minutes.
I didn't want Carolina to win. Gonzaga botched the final 2 minutes and didn't play great all game. That's a hard one for gonzaga to take because you never know if they will get back to this point. Carolina is always back.
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