I've heard that this staff has no plans of taking multiple recruits to NYC during their OV like the last two regimes did. Anyone else hear this? Seems like a missed selling point.
NYC trip no longer part of OV
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Well, they should probably have an annual scheduled team outing there if they can, maybe in the preseason. Class trips were always a nice bonding experience.
Why? I have no doubt NYC is an experience for everyone who sees it for the first time. However, for every kid who loves it I'm sure another is overwhelmed. A good portion of our recruits are from the northeast and have already been there. The ESPN zone is closed and to be fair none of our coaches can relate to NYC since they aren't from here. You won't here any stories of coming to Rangers games as a kid from these guys. That being said, we all wanted a clean break from the Schiano tree and this is the next step. Let's sell Rutgers and want it offers. I know Flood loved to sell NYC connections and potential future jobs. Maybe this staff can bring those guys to campus to present want they can do for us. Something like NYC is right next door and we will come here looking for you.
We have that. It's called the pinstripe bowl. [cheers]
Was thinking the same thing. Getting on the wrong subway and ending up in Coney Island at night. Oooops. Easton/Phillipsburg might be safer. They'll pass some corn fields on 78 along the way.
"Come to Rutgers, you'll love it because we're close to somewhere else"
Sell the school, not a city
Sell the school, not a city
Don't get me wrong, I get the allure. Every NJ kid remembers first time they went into NYC without their parents. I'm not saying there isn't a place for it in the future but I like that these guys are writing their own script. However, there are dave and busters everywhere. Let's win enough where we can take recruits to a classic NYC steakhouse for a private jay z concert.
Maybe they have enough faith, in their selling skills, to not need a trip to NYC? If so then count me in!
Oh, nvm then. I dont follow Duggan or visit nj.com.
Op didnt post any sources and just said "i heard".
Take them to Cook. Tell them about Ag Field Day. #FenceTheGarden.
Exactly. What's the point of that? Something a grandpa or soccer mom would come up with.
Been saying for years....if this university and stadium were up in Bergen County overlooking the city we'd be selling the NYC thing big time!!
Would like to see details of the rationale behind this. Would have to think the new RU AD and his B1G connectivity would somehow seek to promote NYC to recruits and the team, while also further raising RU's visible presence in the city, at every opportunity. Nothing but good would come of strengthening that link.
These guys don't need no stinkin jersey guys, no stinkin jersey connections, no NYC connections, and no visits. We don't need none of that northeast stuff to do things.
If we ever get to the WIN point I would expect something like this to happen. Because then we truly would be NYC's college team.
WIN > WIN > win
We have really only been to the third one when it comes to winning and we saw how excited those over the river became. Just with a taste.
In our case with our location and proximity, we might only have to get to the WIN stage for things like vk91 suggests to happen.
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This is not surprising at all. As stated above, the new coaching staff have no ties to NY. Hell, Aaron Henry was posting on Twitter & Instagram his experiences about his first trip ever to Manhattan and the sticker shock ($700 jeans) he was experiencing. it would be like the blind leading the blind if that trip were to occur.
No $700 jeans at Short Hills? One could probably even find them in Bridgewater.
I'm sure he could....but he was on his first trip to NYC "a country boy in the city" was his quote, so I would think he went into a few of the shops to see what was there.
Let's not let the tail wag the dog, though. It's bigger picture dynamics and about the university, not just the preferences of a new FB regime and their biases. I'm sure Hobbs can align some non-FB staff to serve as ambassadors/tour guides who can assist with planning pretty neat and engaging itineraries, visit arrangements, etc. This tremendously unique, rich resource and market opportunity are just something that RU and the FB program need to capitalized on.
not for nothing, but at least one of the "ambassadors" , wasn't really a net positive last year for us...... o_O
Does it matter if our coaches have no NYC ties? The city sells itself to people who have never been there. Every relative I have wants to visit NYC when they come from out of town. It's a huge draw for people who don't live in this area.
I don't see how it makes sense to take away that part of the OV experience. It's one of the big advantages we have over State College and many other B1G schools. Why not take advantage?
I don't see how it makes sense to take away that part of the OV experience. It's one of the big advantages we have over State College and many other B1G schools. Why not take advantage?
Which one of the aforementioned are you? The point of Dave & Busters is to go to a place with all your favorite arcade games, pinball/jackpot machines, basketball, etc. enjoyed as a kid, and meanwhile be able to drink beer and hang out with your adult friends without creepily standing out in a place frequented by children & their parents (i.e. Chuck e Cheese, I Play America, etc.). It's not something to be done often, but definitely fun for a birthday or random night out in NY for those who don't live here, and I also would gladly take my kids here at some point in the future. Try not to hate on something unless you've tried it..
Let's assume that - like many aspects of running a program - Ash already has an extensive outline of his vision of the schedule for an official visit - and he probably already has a list of the essential things that must be accomplished - the prospect's itinerary is packed. When Ash considers all that he see that needs to be accomplished in his vision of an official visit - there simply may not be enough time to do an NYC trip without shortchanging something more important.
Now, note a few of the NCAA rules which state -
The official visit shall not exceed 48 hours, measured from the time the prospect
first reaches campus or is entertained in any manner by the institution whichever
comes first, to the time of the prospect’s departure from campus. (yes, they do keep track of this)
NCAA rules require that all entertainment of prospects on official recruiting visits take place within a 30-mile radius of the institution’s main campus.
( NYC is right on the edge - technically Wall Street & Times Square = OK Central Park & Yankee Stadium = NO)
Get the strong impression that recruits who are seriously considering Rutgers & want more substantive information to reach their decision - or who are already committed & want validation of their choice will really like Ash's vision of Official Visits - - - Recruits who are 'sightseeing' - - doing an OV but likely going elsewhere - & basically taking a high school senior year 'victory lap' may not feel that they have been highly entertained ....
New York City can be a valuable element in the persuasion process for specific recruits - but it has to fit - it has to be employed appropriately - - it is of little value if it is just tossed in front of all recruits like it has some magical charm.
Now, note a few of the NCAA rules which state -
The official visit shall not exceed 48 hours, measured from the time the prospect
first reaches campus or is entertained in any manner by the institution whichever
comes first, to the time of the prospect’s departure from campus. (yes, they do keep track of this)
NCAA rules require that all entertainment of prospects on official recruiting visits take place within a 30-mile radius of the institution’s main campus.
( NYC is right on the edge - technically Wall Street & Times Square = OK Central Park & Yankee Stadium = NO)
Get the strong impression that recruits who are seriously considering Rutgers & want more substantive information to reach their decision - or who are already committed & want validation of their choice will really like Ash's vision of Official Visits - - - Recruits who are 'sightseeing' - - doing an OV but likely going elsewhere - & basically taking a high school senior year 'victory lap' may not feel that they have been highly entertained ....
New York City can be a valuable element in the persuasion process for specific recruits - but it has to fit - it has to be employed appropriately - - it is of little value if it is just tossed in front of all recruits like it has some magical charm.
..."like it has some magical charm." Well, it kind of does. Start spreading the news....
Stop thinking like a jaded MBA. You're a 17 year old. ;)
Uh so we were buying our recruits beer? Dave and Busters is a suburban mall style chain. There's one in Nyack. It's like taking recruits to the Applebee's in Times Square. And yes I've been many times.
For starters ASH may know less about Rutgers and NYC than any other staff in RU football history.
Is that good or bad? I dont know
Get back to me this time next year...
Is that good or bad? I dont know
Get back to me this time next year...
This is more of a big picture comment than a direct response to your post, but your first sentence stood out to me for the context. And I don't mean this as a Premium plug, but our mods over there have posted a bunch of things that have gone unreported elsewhere, and really aren't a big deal in the scope of the type of things you would expect to get out of a Premium subscription. But without going into specifics, Ash and this staff know how to run a program. They are making a lot of smart moves, minor ones even, that indicate they "get it" to borrow an old phrase. Of course that doesn't mean that every decision will be right, or that they are above scrutiny...but these guys aren't just doing things on the fly. They have a plan and a strategy.
Although I think the current legal drinking age is absolutely laughable, I'm not suggesting that beer be purchased for our current recruits. My comment was moreso about the point of Dave & Busters in general.
As someone who now lives in Manhattan, there's a million better places to take visitors, especially RU football recruits, than tourist-infested Times Square. I'll leave that up to the current coaching stuff.
