We need a shooter from the portal (Alloco type) to complement Harper and Bailey.
Offense next year
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Obviously a better system wouldn't help this past year.
But getting better players with a bad system is just the same.
Good system - bad players: negative results
But that's better than a bad system with bad players.
Then you end up with bad system - good players: still likely negative results.
The system is within the staffs control and easiest to change.
Supposedwe had a player who literally shot 80% on open 3s.
The defense knows this so they don't help off him.
If the system isn't putting him in movement on off ball screens or creating space for him - he's useless most of the game.
Just because we don't have those players now, doesn't mean you just punt on an edffective offense.
Have seen a lot of games in the past few weeks with teams with supposedly good offensive systems like UConn, my conclusion is those teams made a lot of tough shots. Good shooters making tough shots.
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The issues are 99% personnel related. Fix that (they appear to be headed in the right direction) and the team will be very competitive. Pike is a great coach but he clearly has a defensive identity. Anyone who doesn’t like that is not going to enjoy watching his teams.
With the exception of 10-15 teams in the Power 6 , a lot of offense has come down to iso or pick and roll but that only works if you have players. We will have players next year and Dylan , ACE and Lathan will more than likely beat their man guarding them over and over again. I expect teams to play a ton of zone against us next year because our guys will be better than who they are going against .
Now UConn runs some great sets but watching all the teams around the country , there is more freelance and one on one than set plays.
Pike has to tweak the offense just a little. More ball movement , screens , staggered screens and double screens.
No. Didn’t you read his post? We need a complete offensive overhaul so badly that it goes without saying.
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There are a lot of fans that don’t understand that difference. They see Rutgers struggling on offense and just assume it’s the sets they run. Most good P6 offensive teams don't run complex systems. They have very good players running simple movements/screens to get the right player a shot. We are just missing the right player to make a shot.
I read his post but not a reality. Pike doesn’t run Princeton like sets or even Wisconsin. Wisconsin was even more 2 man game this year with AJ Storrsand Keslmit . Almost all the SEC schools rely on their athleticism over what they run . Big 12 as well. Their better athletes beat the defense. We will have the better athletes. We need a rebounder and another 3 point shooting guard more than we need a full offensive reset.
I was being sarcastic and busting on the stupid OP. I totally agree with you.
pass to wing and have a guy on low box set a back screen for the guard who passed it to wing.
Takes a quarter for a rec team to figure it out
hey moron, if you don’t have a lot of talent and 1 on 1 players and creators like others mentioned , why would we run minimal motion and more iso and high screen roll? Lack of talent wouldn’t be good in that type of offense where you lack guys who can create on their own like the top 10-15 teams. Should Pike have just said , screw it Im going to run it anyways and next year with more talent it’ll work better? How about adjusting your offense to your personnel.
Spot on. Defenders just rip the ball out of his hands like they’re taking his lunch money
Additionally, how hard is it to do all the off ball movements when you’ve spent all your energy playing frenetically on defense.
I just watch tape....to say Mag is Grant and Dortch as the same type of player/recruit is hilarious. Mag is not a perimeter player and a poor perimeter shooter who doesn't dribble to create his offense and doesn't play above the rim. It's truly great that we have great fans, passionate fans, but literally no concepts or clearly don't watch basketball.
Your tone is what makes your post so stupid. It's fine to think we need a new offensive philosophy. I happen to disagree and think people are going off the deep end after one bad season. But I think it goes without saying that your opinion is not universal.
You're the one who called it a stupid OP and more people share my opinion on this board that yours. It's not the bad overall season. The offense efficiency hasn't been good the last few seasons. If you actually read by original post, I said i would like it to be somewhere between what UConn does (ridiculous off ball movement and complex sets and what we do now). I'm not asking for a major overhaul, just more movement and flow and less iso and ball screen.
Sorry, was talking to Shelby. I thought your post was funny.
They also get layups and dunks because of ball and player movement.
Which requires perimeter shooters to be a viable threat that requires defending. And also players that can make layups, and players that are good passers.
I think you need to learn to understand what you are watching when you watch tape. I haven't watched Grant at all since he's not playing this year, but Dortch is Mag. You see a highlight video with a couple three's in it and immediately assume he's a shooter. Dortch is not a perimeter player in anything I've seen, doesn't play above the rim, ect. He played on a team that I don't think even made their conference tournament that includes 6 levels of school size, to think he'll be a well rounded contributor year one is fairytale.
What do you expect from a guy who said we won’t miss Paul and Cam.
Exceptional players who can shoot, make those crazy shots , are what we need. There are only a small number of players who have that knack. All things equal give me a guy who can make 40% from 3, make a layup, make above 75% from the free throw line.
I suggest 2 things
1. spend 95% of practice on D
2. put Shelby on ignore
1 of these is serious and the other is not
Hope we have one that resembles more than a grade 3 or 4 offense. No more standing around and picking their noses waiting for someone to do something before 5 seconds till the end of the possession would be nice!
Dylan actually got to play defense against Steph Curry, who I would bet is a fair amount better than Tominaga.
I am sure next year’s offense had been heavily negotiated with Dylan and Ace’s representatives.
Yeah, it was my mistake, when I looked up his highlights, everything that was popping up was from his previous school in the same conference, hadn't realized he switched schools. Looks like he plays w a A&M (I think it was) recruit.
You are most likely right that Pike spends more time on defense than the average team. No way it’s 95% but I assume you are exaggerating to make a point. My guess is the average team (when working on team concepts) spends 60-65% of their time on offense. Pike may be closer to 50%. This is purely a guess based on what I have personally observed at practice and from other teams.
We have zero ball reversal and minimal drive and kicks. That's what bothers me the most about our offense.
Which was made worse by the shout first guards that could not shoot. Ball reversal and drive and kicks would have gotten better looks and more shots in rhythm. Might not have mattered because of how pathetic the shooting was across the board but it would have looked better. Someone watching would say they move the ball on offense , get great looks , and a shame they couldn’t knock down the shots.
I have to say the more I watch Somerville the more I have stars in my eyes. The kind of player we need to move our offense into the modern era. Hopefully when he's on the floor, we see a lot more five-out. Hoping whoever we target in the portal as a 5 has similar traits. Great hands and vision. Spread the floor
I am talking about Eagleton's 10U team....shouldn't even bring a basketball to practice.
As for Pike I'd bet they (and all teams) spend 75+% of time working on offense.
I am joking about what Eagleton should do by the way
