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one reason why RU doesn't have more non-alum fans

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IMO, Rutgers has such enormous potential as a college football program. Being in the media capital of the world and a heavily populated state that doesn't have another major college football program, it's a unique situation that few (if any) schools have. So, why do people in the Garden State grow up rooting for schools like Notre Dame, Penn State, and Miami?

One reason is that those schools wouldn't have someone hired as head coach with the idea that he could learn and grow into the position of head coach. And they wouldn't keep a guy on the job simply because he was a nice guy.

This may not sound like much, but do you realize how many kids growing up rooting for a school may ultimately attend that school? If non-alums followed the program as fans, their kids would likely grow up as fans. When it came time to choose a college, RU would be on their radar. Ever wonder why so many people from Jersey go to Penn State? Partly it's because they see the college experience on TV with games shown from Beaver Stadium. It looks like a fun place to go.

Between merchandise sales, ticket sales, and future RU students, there is quite a lot to gain from being popular with those who aren't alums.

I wonder how many people became fans of the NY Jets when Rich Kotite was coach. That's what RU has now. A coach that is bringing the program down. Does it really make a difference if he winds up beating 3 teams that have less than 3 wins on the year (Kansas, Army, Maryland) ? If beating Indiana is your best win of the year? Is that all you aspire to be?

Some people here say RU can't be expected to beat teams like Ohio State or Michigan State or even Michigan, Wisconsin, or Nebraska -- in other words, there are people who basically think RU should not be expected to beat any decent or good Big Ten team. I think those people are living in the past. Games against Ohio State are not the highlight of our season schedule anymore -- they are annual games. These teams are conference and division foes. RU NEEDS to expect to be competitive in those games.

Other than being a nice guy, what does Flood have going for him? "Oh, but the players like playing for him." -- I NEVER heard any of my teammates ever say one bad thing about the coach (while he was coaching) even when we hated playing for him. It's rarely done.


I still believe the people in charge will do the right thing. Look at Flood's body of work, look at the recruiting and team depth, and look at the arrests. The right thing is a change at coach.
 
BS thread. I'm not an ru alum. Huge Rutgers football fan. And Coach Flood is one of the reasons (the other coach being GS). If RU fired a 5-7 Flood I will probably start rooting for my school's football team and move on from Rutgers.
 
yeah I'm not an RU grad either but out here in Ohio every high school drop out sports the OSU gear. Its a whole different culture. In Jersey it's nothing like that. People cheer for Notre Dame because Rutgers was bad. Its better now than it was. There are definitely more non-alum fans now than 20 years ago but Flood is losing them. Winning cures all ills.
 
I never understood the point of rooting for a college sports team of college that one didn't attend.
 
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IMO, Rutgers has such enormous potential as a college football program. Being in the media capital of the world and a heavily populated state that doesn't have another major college football program, it's a unique situation that few (if any) schools have. So, why do people in the Garden State grow up rooting for schools like Notre Dame, Penn State, and Miami?

One reason is that those schools wouldn't have someone hired as head coach with the idea that he could learn and grow into the position of head coach. And they wouldn't keep a guy on the job simply because he was a nice guy.

This may not sound like much, but do you realize how many kids growing up rooting for a school may ultimately attend that school? If non-alums followed the program as fans, their kids would likely grow up as fans. When it came time to choose a college, RU would be on their radar. Ever wonder why so many people from Jersey go to Penn State? Partly it's because they see the college experience on TV with games shown from Beaver Stadium. It looks like a fun place to go.

Between merchandise sales, ticket sales, and future RU students, there is quite a lot to gain from being popular with those who aren't alums.

I wonder how many people became fans of the NY Jets when Rich Kotite was coach. That's what RU has now. A coach that is bringing the program down. Does it really make a difference if he winds up beating 3 teams that have less than 3 wins on the year (Kansas, Army, Maryland) ? If beating Indiana is your best win of the year? Is that all you aspire to be?

Some people here say RU can't be expected to beat teams like Ohio State or Michigan State or even Michigan, Wisconsin, or Nebraska -- in other words, there are people who basically think RU should not be expected to beat any decent or good Big Ten team. I think those people are living in the past. Games against Ohio State are not the highlight of our season schedule anymore -- they are annual games. These teams are conference and division foes. RU NEEDS to expect to be competitive in those games.

Other than being a nice guy, what does Flood have going for him? "Oh, but the players like playing for him." -- I NEVER heard any of my teammates ever say one bad thing about the coach (while he was coaching) even when we hated playing for him. It's rarely done.


I still believe the people in charge will do the right thing. Look at Flood's body of work, look at the recruiting and team depth, and look at the arrests. The right thing is a change at coach.

BLAH...BLAH...BLAH,
Notre Dame, Penn St. and Miami have long been winners.
That's what attracts fans from New Jersey.
 
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Here are the reasons there aren't (already) more fans:

- we were a small college until the early-70s. Programs like Notre Dame and Penn State were well-established by that time.

- we weren't good when college football started making the big TV move in the 80s and 90s

- not getting the Big Ten invite when PSU got theirs

- apathy and New Jersey: perfect together!

...pretty simply.
 
Neither do I especially if they aren't local. I grew up in NJ, family went to Rutgers. I was too dumb to get it. lol

I never understood the point of rooting for a college sports team of college that one didn't attend.
 
Plus New Jersey is a transient state. A good percentage of the people that live here came from other states or countries so they no reason to root for Rutgers.
 
IMO, Rutgers has such enormous potential as a college football program. Being in the media capital of the world and a heavily populated state that doesn't have another major college football program, it's a unique situation that few (if any) schools have. So, why do people in the Garden State grow up rooting for schools like Notre Dame, Penn State, and Miami?

One reason is that those schools wouldn't have someone hired as head coach with the idea that he could learn and grow into the position of head coach. And they wouldn't keep a guy on the job simply because he was a nice guy.

This may not sound like much, but do you realize how many kids growing up rooting for a school may ultimately attend that school? If non-alums followed the program as fans, their kids would likely grow up as fans. When it came time to choose a college, RU would be on their radar. Ever wonder why so many people from Jersey go to Penn State? Partly it's because they see the college experience on TV with games shown from Beaver Stadium. It looks like a fun place to go.

Between merchandise sales, ticket sales, and future RU students, there is quite a lot to gain from being popular with those who aren't alums.

I wonder how many people became fans of the NY Jets when Rich Kotite was coach. That's what RU has now. A coach that is bringing the program down. Does it really make a difference if he winds up beating 3 teams that have less than 3 wins on the year (Kansas, Army, Maryland) ? If beating Indiana is your best win of the year? Is that all you aspire to be?

Some people here say RU can't be expected to beat teams like Ohio State or Michigan State or even Michigan, Wisconsin, or Nebraska -- in other words, there are people who basically think RU should not be expected to beat any decent or good Big Ten team. I think those people are living in the past. Games against Ohio State are not the highlight of our season schedule anymore -- they are annual games. These teams are conference and division foes. RU NEEDS to expect to be competitive in those games.

Other than being a nice guy, what does Flood have going for him? "Oh, but the players like playing for him." -- I NEVER heard any of my teammates ever say one bad thing about the coach (while he was coaching) even when we hated playing for him. It's rarely done.


I still believe the people in charge will do the right thing. Look at Flood's body of work, look at the recruiting and team depth, and look at the arrests. The right thing is a change at coach.


I think Rutgers has a passionate fan base who want to win as exhibited by this Board.
I actually root for you guys in the B1G because of it.
Why. Maybe, because of my spending many summers at the Ocean City NJ shore for summer vacations in my youth (many fond memories).

Don't get me wrong my #1 team is the Pitt Panthers.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 
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BS thread. I'm not an ru alum. Huge Rutgers football fan. And Coach Flood is one of the reasons (the other coach being GS). If RU fired a 5-7 Flood I will probably start rooting for my school's football team and move on from Rutgers.

Counterpoint,
I am non alumni 17 year season ticket holder who donates significantly each year.
If Flood is not fired after all the off season issues and the ongoing ( year after year) embarrassing performances against both mediocre and better competition, I am moving on from Rutgers football. I have already written JH.
Sure there are many more non-alumni who will be making the same decision if the RUAdministration continues have no inclination to improve the RU football program.
 
Here are the reasons there aren't (already) more fans:

- we were a small college until the early-70s. Programs like Notre Dame and Penn State were well-established by that time.

- we weren't good when college football started making the big TV move in the 80s and 90s

- not getting the Big Ten invite when PSU got theirs

- apathy and New Jersey: perfect together!

...pretty simply.

Giants, Jets, Eagles, Yankees, Mets.....
 
I never understood the point of rooting for a college sports team of college that one didn't attend.

Many people of a state that does not have a professional team to root for adopt a college team in its place.

One quick example Nebraska.

A number of years ago when Pitt played Nebraska (fantastic fan base), I began talking to an older gentleman and his wife all decked out in Red. I asked him what his major was at Nebraska. He told me he didn't go to college and was a farmer. He is a Nebraska season ticket holder and try's to make at least one away game a year.
He has never been to Pittsburgh and he picked the Pitt - Nebraska game for his away game.

In Pittsburgh many non college grads have adopted the Steelers (football) as their team of choice. I think only about 1 in 3 people have a University degree.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 
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I never understood the point of rooting for a college sports team of college that one didn't attend.
Think about what you wrote ,if you were serious.RU is the ONLY DIV I School in the State. The only one that you can physically go an see play in the flesh.The only one that you can go to and experience that awesome in the crowd feeling that FB brings.I hope that I have been helpful.BTW,I did attend RU for 3 months and was graduated from a non football school.
 
sadly i feel we'd have a larger following as "The University of New Jersey" or "NJ STATE"

the Rutgers name doesn't appeal to the "home state pride" as much, and instead has the private school feel to it.

We have the unfortunate distinction of being a "broke state school with private school name" ....
 
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i'm not an alum either...born and raised here in Jersey and never change my loyalties...Really i'd root for RU because i'm proud of and loyal to my home state rep.

Same here. I became an RU fan during the last 2 years of Doug Graber era.
I couldn't stand my work colleague constantly babbling about penn st....

I hope Flood is replaced, but I'll continue to support RU regardless, its my state school as others have mentioned.
 
FOR decades Princeton was the big college football draw, H-Y-P games drawing 40-50k while RU was the little neighbor playing Lehigh, Lafayette in addition to the big in state rival. When the Ivies downgraded, RU never capitalized... we played 'big' games 30 miles up the turnpike never investing in our on campus infrastructure till the 90's. We joined the Big East with a 23k seat stadium!

We dont' have the generations of local fans built up due to these and other factors listed in previous posts... I do know many younger RU football fans that went to Rider or the other State Schools that don't have big football. Our fanbase as slowly grown, but we run the risk of losing them if we continue to wallow in mediocrity or worse
 
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It's actually fairly simple. We have not had a stretch where we were relevant nationally for multiple seasons. Had we followed up '06 with a run where we were ranked, won conference championships and in the running for NYD bowls, we would have attracted a much bigger fan base outside of our alumni. As it is '06 attracted quite a lot of new fans that would not have otherwise been interested in the program who have since stuck around. Everyone loves a winner, especially in this area, and we simply have not won enough to attract lots of casual fans.
 
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sadly i feel we'd have a larger following as "The University of New Jersey" or "NJ STATE"

the Rutgers name doesn't appeal to the "home state pride" as much, and instead has the private school feel to it.

We have the unfortunate distinction of being a "broke state school with private school name" ....


As a NJ resident who didn't attend Rutgers, I think that comment is complete bullshit.

I'm not stupid. I know that Rutgers is the state university, even if the name isn't University of New Jersey. I also know that College of NJ is just one of many state colleges, and it is not the flagship research university.

You don't have to pay close attention to know that Rutgers is the flagship state research university. If you live in NJ and don't know this, you are probably too stupid or paying so little attention that you wouldn't be a fan of the football program, regardless of the university's name.
 
As a NJ resident who didn't attend Rutgers, I think that comment is complete bullshit.

I'm not stupid. I know that Rutgers is the state university, even if the name isn't University of New Jersey. I also know that College of NJ is just one of many state colleges, and it is not the flagship research university.

You don't have to pay close attention to know that Rutgers is the flagship state research university. If you live in NJ and don't know this, you are probably too stupid or paying so little attention that you wouldn't be a fan of the football program, regardless of the university's name.
you can say that its bs but doesnt mean its true. I'm not advocating for a name change either, but from a marketing perspective I think NJ in the name would appeal to a broader audience, it would invoke more state pride.
 
you can say that its bs but doesnt mean its true. I'm not advocating for a name change either, but from a marketing perspective I think NJ in the name would appeal to a broader audience, it would invoke more state pride.

and i dont mean "Rutgers, The state university of New Jersey"
 
Most strong football brands have #1 and #2 or #3:
1) at least one generation of sustained football excellence
2) a strong academic reputation
3) the only "game in town"
 
I'm a non alum and an absolutely crazed RU fan. If Flood gets the heave ho, I'll be one happy camper.
 
It is very common, especially in the BIG10 to have fans that never attended the university. After RU, I spent for 4 years in graduate program at Purdue. In Indiana, your are born into households that were either Purdue fans or Indiana University fans and that's how you grew up. (The ND name was not allowed to be mentioned.)

Since 2006 there are a lot of people that pay attention and/or moderate fans that route for the team that never attended. I don't think the SL helps bring to community together.
 
We joined the ranks of big boy football waaaaay later than everyone else. While we played Colgate, PSU and Pitt went against OSU and Michigan.
 
BS thread. I'm not an ru alum. Huge Rutgers football fan. And Coach Flood is one of the reasons (the other coach being GS). If RU fired a 5-7 Flood I will probably start rooting for my school's football team and move on from Rutgers.
Also not an alum, but started rooting with GS and Coach Flood. I will continue to root for RU if Flood is let go, but I think that those who want him fired because of his record this year are ridiculous and will regret it.
 
Also not an alum, but started rooting with GS and Coach Flood. I will continue to root for RU if Flood is let go, but I think that those who want him fired because of his record this year are ridiculous and will regret it.
He's an abysmal coach who embarrassed the university. That's why we want him fired.
 
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BS thread. I'm not an ru alum. Huge Rutgers football fan. And Coach Flood is one of the reasons (the other coach being GS). If RU fired a 5-7 Flood I will probably start rooting for my school's football team and move on from Rutgers.

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Pro sports dominate. And people do not like New Jersians because they think of all the typical stereotypes
 
There are definitely more non alum fans since 2006. Keeping Flood will hurt that.

At the end of the day there are more T shirt fans in the past decade, no one can deny that.

Also, I don't think being called Rutgers means any less fans. Clemson and Auburn and Purdue have plenty of non alum fans. But they have success in a major sport moreso than we do.
 
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He's an abysmal coach who embarrassed the university. That's why we want him fired.
Many on this board agree with you that he's "abysmal" obviously, but after an 8-5 record, winning a bowl, respect and love from his players and coaches, I just don't get the hate for him. It can't just be that RU had some bad losses. That would be idiotic. So what makes him "abysmal"?
 
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