That might be true - but your athletic department is only as good as your football team.
OT: AD Hobbs Women's Lax
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That might be true - but your athletic department is only as good as your football team.
Only if you are a football fan.
Uva has an incredible department as a whole. Their football team blows. They finished #1 last year in the College Cup and didn't sniff a bowl game.
then lets hire a HC who kn ows whats happening and put it in their hands...in Hobbs i trust..
Or you could hire Asst. Coach Jenn Cook from Princeton. She's ready to run her own show. And she has a background in fundraising.
More to the point - we arent talking about turning RU into a preppy school any more than having a good BB program requires RU to be a "ghetto" school. You are talking about adding a dozen kids to a school of 35,000.
I am a track and field and wrestling fan for sure. And I like soccer quite a bit as well. I am more than a fan of football. But you can win all the Directors Cups you want - but they wont impact applications and wont impact donations the way a winning football team will. And those two things are drivers of the University's prestige and financial well-being.
This is not a knock on other sports. Just look at the realities of the Big East as an example. They are on FS1 for crying out loud! AAC hoops is on ESPN. And the only reason is bc AAC brings football.
I can't agree either. Football drives the bus, but an empty bus is no good. The AD should be building all sports; otherwise consider dropping them.
You might want to ask Stanford about the donations they receive due to the multitude of championships they win in sports NOT named "football" or "basketball."
I was just giving you an example of a school that doesn't have winning football but has other winning sports. Applications and such is a whole different argument.
I will say this, most schools that have great sports across the board, also have proficient football programs year in and year out. Winning is a mindset across the department at schools who do it right. A school like USC gives their women's lacrosse team all the tools and funding to win championships, as they do their football team. It's bad for the prestige of the school and the reputation to put out losers in any sport, and is simply unacceptable. The damage our hoops team does losing so much is a complete embarrassment to the whole university and the alums of it. It ain't Mike Rice embarrassing, but it's close. Big time schools don't allow that to happen.
This is right. At schools like Uva and ND, their lax teams are like rock stars. They fly on chartered jets to games and get all the perks that come along with it. Football is a much bigger monster, but there are enough people into these Olympic sports to help fund them more than ever before.
Bottom line is a department is only as good as it's worst sport. A guy like Hobbs understands that. He is in charge of hundreds of student-athletes, and they all matter the same.
You guys are comparing ND and Stanford to RU. Its not the same comparison. UVA is a legit comparison. Dont use $$ that ND or Duke or Northwestern or Standford raise. They are very different animals.
Feel free to disagree- that makes this fun! but youre comparing totally different entities.
I mean you may as well bring up Harvard. They have the biggest endowment. Thats not the right comparison.
Feel free to disagree- that makes this fun! but youre comparing totally different entities.
I mean you may as well bring up Harvard. They have the biggest endowment. Thats not the right comparison.
This gets to the heart of the role of the Flagship. The goal is simple, to become the next logical step or progression. To that end, Rutgers simply needs to hire Elite Coaches in every sport they participate.
Remember these kids have thousands of dollars and hours spent honing their skills and careers. Attending Rutgers should not amount to a step backwards.
Kids want access to Elite Coaching, and they're willing to pay for it.
Remember these kids have thousands of dollars and hours spent honing their skills and careers. Attending Rutgers should not amount to a step backwards.
Kids want access to Elite Coaching, and they're willing to pay for it.
No, I'm using Stanford as a school with teams, OTHER THAN FOOTBALL, that bring in ridiculous amounts of donations DUE to their success in those sports and have done so even when Stanford wasn't a good football program.
My next door neighbors daughter scored over 300 goals and was never contacted by RU, she gave a verbal commitment to OSU after her sophomore year. We should be recruiting NJ harder than that in all sports
I think what he is saying is to use a other big public's like us for a comparison.
Correct
And by the way UVA's lax team became nationally recognized on the heels of when their football team was in the middle of a heck of a run when George Welsh was their coach. Not an accident. Of course their lax team was always good (although there were about 10 teams in the country pre 1990) but the team really took off in the late 1990s-2000s. That is on the heels of their football team being ranked number 1 in the nation (imagine that at RU!!!), and their football team winning the ACC, being the first team to beat FSU. All things done in the 1st half of the 1990s.
I fully support olympics!! its a shame RU isnt fully funding some sports. But win at football and all of that becomes much easier.
They should be doing it/winning on their own like everybody else does...school + alumni support.
We need more of the former and the latter for all of them. The former is on the way, the latter needs to fill in the gaps until then and pick it up a notch.
Florida just launched it's program, and they're fantastic. Stony Brook is also an excellent team. No Excuses for Rutgers.
I did. Not sure why they are all that different as it relates to this discussion. Hell, one is in our conference.
U should contact the Lax coach and ask her, this is the type of communication that should be confrontational with some of the less then aggressive coaches who get a check and coast thru their jobs. I understand much of the last century when this pattern could prevail especially with Fred Grunninger (sp) at the helm.
But with our new Logo over our school we have an responsibility to match our new league members with a commitment to excellence.
I know this is wrong on so many levels but it is a truth and that is "commitment to excellence" by the public is perceived by the performance of the sports teams.
Michigan started their program with all freshmen in 2013/14.
