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OT: Alabama dismisses 5-star OL from Connecticut

Regardless of what he did, he wasn't buying in, so I don't suspect a "culture-first" program is going to work for him.

 
I imagine it is reasonable to assume that Ash will quietly look into it and see if there is a possible fit. If he thinks it will work he will act on it. I say this based on the NJ.com article yesterday about Ash discussing the expectation that some players will be transferring at the end of the semester and how they are looking at all possible ways to bring players in.
 
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He had already been passed on the depth chart by another 5 star, so perhaps he had a bit of an attitude problem because of that.
 
Fingers crossed that the reasons are legitimate and he would like to play in the BIG and stay close to home. We have to assume he can play or Saban would not have been interested. So it comes down to the character aspect and whatever Ash chooses to do will let us know about that.
 
Sounds like he wasn't willing to meet the expectations the staff has of all student athletes as to training and work ethic. To be hones, given those comments, I would be very surprised if Ash had any interest at all. Not willing to put in hard work won't work anywhere in P5 football.
 
I long for the day people aren't pining for other school's rejects.


I don't think you can assume that these types of situations are all "some other school's reject". Isn't it possible that the athlete realizes they made the wrong choice and are in fact rejecting the school. We can all speculate as to the reason he was dismissed but it is up to the staff to do it's due diligence and find out if the kid can fit and grow here. I don't necessarily want another school's rejects but just because he is leaving doesn't mean they kicked him out.
 
I don't think you can assume that these types of situations are all "some other school's reject". Isn't it possible that the athlete realizes they made the wrong choice and are in fact rejecting the school. We can all speculate as to the reason he was dismissed but it is up to the staff to do it's due diligence and find out if the kid can fit and grow here. I don't necessarily want another school's rejects but just because he is leaving doesn't mean they kicked him out.

Saban dismissed him from the team according to the article. Are you trying to say he didn't?
 
I long for the day people aren't pining for other school's rejects.

I hear you and so do I. But, then again, Alabama isn't just any school.

Marshall University once took a player Florida State rejected for smoking pot. He was a wide receiver by the name of Randy Moss.

And, who knows, maybe being dismissed the way this kid was could prove to be the kick in the pants he needed to take football seriously.
 
I long for the day people aren't pining for other school's rejects.
Even the top schools take transfers. Maybe let coaches find out what he is transferring and what is actual abilities are. I wouldn't exactly take Saban at his word for the reasoning behind him releasing kids. He basically invented the BS medical unable to perform release.
 
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Saban dismissed him from the team according to the article. Are you trying to say he didn't?

No I am not saying that. I am simply saying that we do not know the reason. The poster referred to him as another school's reject. I am saying that maybe he is being dismissed because he is rejecting them. It is up to this staff if they are interested (and we do not know if they are or not) to find out what went on and make a decision. That is not, as the poster to whom I replied said, the same as "pining for another school's reject".
 
If you're a talented player you really have to screw up at a place like Alabama to get tossed .
He's probably better than most of the guys we got so I would want him .
 
All I can think is damaged goods....usually these guys look good on paper but they seem to be fools gold and don't work out. I'll pass!
 
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Saban said they had a lot of patience in March, and then dismisses the player in May? Situation smells funny.


And maybe, Yes I am saying MAYBE, they have one or two recruits they they like better and they no longer see the need to be as patient so they ran out of patience a little quicker. Or maybe he saw the hand writing on the wall and sensed their sudden lack of enthusiasm for him. Do any of us really know? Just let this staff do it's work. If they go after him I will be confident that they think he is of good character and will fit. If they don't, I will feel confident that they feel, as many of you do, that he is a problem. I won't speculate on him becaus Idon't know.
 
Just a guess but maybe he has a 5-star body and a 1-star brain.
Body by Ferrari. Head by Mattel. Alabama has 5 star D-linemen stacked up like firewood. If your head isn't right, they'll just pick another log from the pile.
 
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What's the downside?


Got me stumped! Why people are assuming he is not worth a look I don't understand. All I have seen thus far are statements from tha school, has anyone posted something from this kids twitter account. Has anyone seen or heard his side of the story? I haven't. I am willing to let the staff follow up and make a decision.
 
There are probably issues for sure but tying up 1 ship is not a big deal like it is in basketball, I would definitely give this kid a shot unless his issues are legally related, sometimes a fresh start does wonders for a kid like this.
 
the question is whether he is free to transfer to any school.....sometimes an SEC player has decided that he wants to transfer to another in conference school....then suddenly the coach that sent the player packing, wants to control where the player lands.

If there is no restriction or noise about the kid transferring in conference and to a team on Alabama's schedule, then that is probably the more telling sign.

As far as the player transferring north to lets say "RU", sometimes it may be beneficial to do research on what type of program did the player come out of in HS.....is he "entitled", is he a player that believes his own press-clippings from HS recruiting??

I would pass IMO....I don't need the details on what happened or didn't happened at Bama....I know that people believe that we should take any 4 or 5* kids because we are RU and there is a notion that we are talent deficient.....beyond talent deficient, we are culture deficient as far as work ethic, lifting, running training etc....this has festered for quite a few years now way back to when Savage and others were here at RU.

I think somewhere around that timeframe, RU got significantly better recruiting rankings under Schiano, but the work-ethic or talent didn't match and the results didn't translate like it should have on the field....it kinda started under Schiano when Savage and a couple of other recruits arrived and ultimately evolved to a head in the UConn finale in 2011, a game that signaled a change in how RU was perceived.

I would be extremely leery of this type of recruit as a transfer. Let a Cuse or another desperate program take on this type of project. Ohio State or Michigan don't take on this type of player as a transfer and I think Ash and company aren't going to go out of their way here either.
 
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There are probably issues for sure but tying up 1 ship is not a big deal like it is in basketball, I would definitely give this kid a shot unless his issues are legally related, sometimes a fresh start does wonders for a kid like this.

Especially since he has only two years of eligibility.
 
There are probably issues for sure but tying up 1 ship is not a big deal like it is in basketball, I would definitely give this kid a shot unless his issues are legally related, sometimes a fresh start does wonders for a kid like this.

It is not even a matter of giving him a ship, just checking him out.
 
Got me stumped! Why people are assuming he is not worth a look I don't understand. All I have seen thus far are statements from tha school, has anyone posted something from this kids twitter account. Has anyone seen or heard his side of the story? I haven't. I am willing to let the staff follow up and make a decision.

I am happy to give a kid that messed up a second chance if he has talent and can help us. IMO, this is the worst type of kid. Kids that aren't willing to put in the work it takes to succeed at this level are a cancer. You don't want those kind of kids anywhere near your locker room. The lack of work ethic is contagious. Those are the kind of transfer desperate schools take, and it never works out for them in the end.
 
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Bama has like a pro roster, maybe he got passed up and got frustrated. I'd definitely take a look. When Miami was at the height of its powers, a safety went to the Vikings and declared he would start. He was asked how that could be when he didn't start in college, "more talent at Miami." He started.

You have to take a look, Bama is just loaded with talent.
 
I'll trust Ash to research and act accordingly.
I assume Rhule is taking a close look as well. After all, aren't they working as a one-two punch going forward to keep the top talent in this area according to Ash.
 
I hear you and so do I. But, then again, Alabama isn't just any school.

Marshall University once took a player Florida State rejected for smoking pot. He was a wide receiver by the name of Randy Moss.

And, who knows, maybe being dismissed the way this kid was could prove to be the kick in the pants he needed to take football seriously.

Seriously ? Moss was kicked out of Notre Dame before he went to FSU and f'uped there as well.
A punk and an idiot.
 
Saban wouldn't boot a kid with ability who was buying in and doing things the right way. This kid has problem child written all over him. What kind of problem (attitude, work ethic) isn't clear. But it's something.
 
Sounds like he wasn't willing to meet the expectations the staff has of all student athletes as to training and work ethic. To be hones, given those comments, I would be very surprised if Ash had any interest at all. Not willing to put in hard work won't work anywhere in P5 football.

Maybe he wanted to study more and Alabama under Saban is all about football and easy classes.
 
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I am happy to give a kid that messed up a second chance if he has talent and can help us. IMO, this is the worst type of kid. Kids that aren't willing to put in the work it takes to succeed at this level are a cancer. You don't want those kind of kids anywhere near your locker room. The lack of work ethic is contagious. Those are the kind of transfer desperate schools take, and it never works out for them in the end.

And we know this to be true about him because? Saban said so. So we believe that a 5 star athlete goes to the most prestigious team in college football and decides that he isn't going to buy in and that he will be a jerk for no reason other than he is a bad kid. Maybe it is a two way street and he wasn't treated the way he expected when they recruited him. Maybe the coaching staff pushed him into it. I don't know but for you to assume that he is the worst type of kid might very well be a stretch. You could be right. But I would like Ash and Co to take a look for themselves.
 
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Dpgru, I agree completely. Not buying in at Alabama could just mean that the kid didn't want to use deer antler spray or other type roids that Alabama is famous for. Their S&C coach makes as much as some head coaches and there is a reason for that. When Kirby Smart left Bama for UGA, he was the first coach he tried to pry away and Saban said heck no. Kid may be fine and just not willing to sacrifice his future for the sake of Bama football or it could be culturally which I can attest to first hand. None of us know for sure but let's hope we can give him a look and welcome him back to the east coast.
 
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