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OT - Asbury Park - It's all good until an 8-year old gets shot

T2Kplus10 said:
Asbury park is 1.6 square miles. There are no "different parts" of a town so tiny. Nice try though!
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In a city (big or small), 1 mile can make a massive difference. Heck, several blocks can make a massive difference. We're not talking about a sprawling suburb here...
 
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There are some residents in AP that live on the "WESTside", that have never seen the Ocean!
 
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I heard the Bronx is bad, should I avoid Times Square?

Come on stick to Flood bashing, we just had a guy say we should thank Flood for academic integrity! They are teeing us up!
 
NotInRHouse said:
I heard the Bronx is bad, should I avoid Times Square?

Come on stick to Flood bashing, we just had a guy say we should thank Flood for academic integrity! They are teeing us up!
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Two things:

1. AP is a perfect example of the failures of urban revitalization. Make a small part of a town/city nice for visitors and businesses and let the other parts of town rot away (e.g., AC, JC, and Newark). There are no nice parts of Camden, so I won't cite that as an example.

2. You are right, let's focus on the goal at hand - getting Flood fired. I will stay focused!
 
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Wait....so an 8 year old girl gets shot for no reason and we're bickering about the city limits of Asbury Park? Good stuff, guys.
 
babbs09 said:
Wait....so an 8 year old girl gets shot for no reason and we're bickering about the city limits of Asbury Park? Good stuff, guys.
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It's obviously a tragedy. The OP was using it to make a broader point about Asbury Park, so people are responding to that.
 
T2Kplus10 said:
Two things:

1. AP is a perfect example of the failures of urban revitalization. Make a small part of a town/city nice for visitors and businesses and let the other parts of town rot away (e.g., AC, JC, and Newark). There are no nice parts of Camden, so I won't cite that as an example.

2. You are right, let's focus on the goal at hand - getting Flood fired. I will stay focused!
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You have a valid point - that truly fixing a place entails more than just fixing the downtown and touristy areas. But that's that not a reason to neglect the lower hanging fruit.

Cities are almost always going to have "nice" parts and "bad" parts. Asbury isn't some newer suburb where the town can largely zone out affordable housing and give you a buffer from the unpleasantness of the word. Cities are more complicated organisms. And there are no easy answers to certain things.
 
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Horrible to hear about the crime.

I worked at The Beach Bar and Convention Hall in Asbury 6 years ago. It's great over there and the boardwalk. My wife and I had lunch on Cook man 3 weeks ago. Lots of money in that area. The other part of Asbury is a ghetto with gang bangers. That's where most of the crime is.
 
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Asbury Park is easily one of the best places to spend a summer day in Monmouth County. I'm happy for everything they did and continue to do over there. I'm also seeing a lot of gay investment west of the tracks, so it's going to keep turning around.
 
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This is a topic on the board because the shooting victim was a small child. The reality is that between Asbury Park, Long Branch and Neptune, there is a shooting every day.
 
T2Kplus10 said:
Asbury park is 1.6 square miles. There are no "different parts" of a town so tiny. Nice try though!
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You couldn't be more wrong... the town has always been divided by the train tracks and it really is two towns. In fact, most shore towns aren't nearly as big as Asbury Park or Long Branch -- the two towns in the area that have already had bad areas. Most of the towns in the area are 1/2 or 1/3 as big as Asbury or Long Branch.
 
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KingHigh said:
Asbury Park is easily one of the best places to spend a summer day in Monmouth County. I'm happy for everything they did and continue to do over there. I'm also seeing a lot of gay investment west of the tracks, so it's going to keep turning around.
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Didn't that gay investment start a couple years ago? Before the rest of the $ (hipsters, Yuppies, etc) came in? And, yes, as somebody who worked there a quarter of a century ago and heard nothing but "someday somebody smart is going to fix this place," I for one am glad to have gone back and seen the remarkable improvements that have been made, rather than decrying the improvements yet to be made.
 
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One of the worst tragedies is a child dying - can't really joke about that. I love Asbury, and it has been my go to beach for almost 10 years or so. I remember being there one night and like 100-150 local teens were on the boardwalk and messing around- cops were overwhelmed and it looked like things had the potential to get pretty bad. All I can say is that it is the haves and the have nots on a lot of different levels there. Scary place to be if you are at the wrong place at the wrong time - my heart bleeds for that 8 year old's family - what shame.
 
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NotInRHouse said:
I heard the Bronx is bad, should I avoid Times Square?

Come on stick to Flood bashing, we just had a guy say we should thank Flood for academic integrity! They are teeing us up!
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Yeah, let's go as a group and attack other posters. Real mature.

You remind me of kids growing up who'd want to start trouble between two factions then magically disappear before they got their ass kicked.
 
Is there a city anywhere in the world that only has nice parts? Maybe a few smaller European ones.
 
RU4Real said:
This is a topic on the board because the shooting victim was a small child. The reality is that between Asbury Park, Long Branch and Neptune, there is a shooting every day.
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I usually agree with your posts but not in this case. Until very recently I lived for 15 years very close to those towns. Can you document your statement ? Cause I'm not buying that among Asbury, LB and Neptune that there is a shooting every day.
 
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I have lived down here for almost 20 years, and I work in Neptune. There is not a shooting every day in AP, Long Branch, and Neptune.

And for the record, the little girl wasn't killed. The bullet grazed her forehead. She was treated and released from the hospital.
 
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Knightmoves said:
I usually agree with your posts but not in this case. Until very recently I lived for 15 years very close to those towns. Can you document your statement ? Cause I'm not buying that among Asbury, LB and Neptune that there is a shooting every day.
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I have a Monmouth County CAD feed. If it's not every single day, it's at least 5 out of 7.
 
I hadn't been to Asbury Park in about 20 years but my wife and I took a ride up there last Friday. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. I spent 4 summers in Belmar back in the 80's and the only time we went near AP was to go to the Stone Pony. It does still have some fixing up to go but its night and day compared to what it was. We had lunch at a place called Porta. Absolutely fabulous!
 
I went to Asbury Park in 1980 as a young teenager. I found it to be beyond terrible. I don't want to get into detail but I saw mentally ill people walking around aimlessly and harassed by young people from the area. My girlfriend convinced me to go back in 2011 (31 years later) and I must say I was impressed, they cleaned up the boardwalk and parts of Main Street. However, two maybe three blocks off the beach or a block or two off Main Street you could be in trouble.

What happened to this 8 year old is tragic. What a sad commentary on Asbury Park.
 
T2Kplus10 said:
Two things:

1. AP is a perfect example of the failures of urban revitalization. Make a small part of a town/city nice for visitors and businesses and let the other parts of town rot away (e.g., AC, JC, and Newark). There are no nice parts of Camden, so I won't cite that as an example.
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Not sure what your solution is. So places like AP and Jersey City that have some really great areas and really bad areas.

1. Don't revitalize any part of town? You do realize the parts that were revitalized in both had high enough real estate values to attract investors.

2. Are you suggesting the towns just eminent domain the bad areas for development and ship the hundreds of thousands of people to Camden or somewhere else. Obviously I am being sarcastic, but where do you think the people are going to go.

3. You do realize no town has enough money to buy out enough property in poor areas to make a difference. It is not their intention to let the poor areas "rot" as you say, they don't have as much control over private property as you think they do.

Everybody is quick to criticize revitalization, but don't understand the challenges of revitalizing the poor areas which cannot attract enough investors to make a difference. It takes a long time, and progress is very slow, but it is happening in both areas as construction and revitalization is moving west in both towns.
 
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BLewis1968 said:
Didn't that gay investment start a couple years ago? Before the rest of the $ (hipsters, Yuppies, etc) came in? And, yes, as somebody who worked there a quarter of a century ago and heard nothing but "someday somebody smart is going to fix this place," I for one am glad to have gone back and seen the remarkable improvements that have been made, rather than decrying the improvements yet to be made.
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Funny thing is that the gay community, and not rock and roll, actually turned around the boardwalk area.
 
Traz should have to sniff Chris Christie's sweaty jock every time he makes an idiotic post...

Oh wait...
 
BLewis1968 said:
Didn't that gay investment start a couple years ago? Before the rest of the $ (hipsters, Yuppies, etc) came in? And, yes, as somebody who worked there a quarter of a century ago and heard nothing but "someday somebody smart is going to fix this place," I for one am glad to have gone back and seen the remarkable improvements that have been made, rather than decrying the improvements yet to be made.
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Yes, I attribute the reemergence of the resort-like atmosphere in Asbury Park to the "urban revitalization" efforts that OP laments and to the gay community's commitment to investing in the beachward neighborhoods. And now, that investment is meandering west of the tracks, where single family homes can be had for under $100,000. They are going to make truckloads of money. What they are doing is textbook gentrification, which is winning back one of the most beautiful spots on the Jersey Shore for visiting beachgoers and others who can contribute to a thriving local economy.
 
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KingHigh said:
Yes, I attribute the reemergence of the resort-like atmosphere in Asbury Park to the "urban revitalization" efforts that OP laments and to the gay community's commitment to investing in the beachward neighborhoods. And now, that investment is meandering west of the tracks, where single family homes can be had for under $100,000. They are going to make truckloads of money. What they are doing is textbook gentrification, which is winning back one of the most beautiful spots on the Jersey Shore for visiting beachgoers and others who can contribute to a thriving local economy.
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I think your post involves a big "MAYBE". My lawyer invested 2 million in AP 10 years ago and he recently sold and got out. I know many on this site are not going to like the following but he supported change in local government. Then, he and other attorneys tried to force eminent domain in key areas that were blighted with crime of every sort. You guys would be shocked at the opposition these investors met by local residents. In the end he divested of his real estate property, made a modest profit and is happy to be out of AP. In a recent conversation he said "unless eminent domain is enforced from the railroad tracks to the boardwalk and a more family friendly agenda is encouraged Asbury park will not work. It will suffer the same fate as AC."
 
The point about two different t asbury's is totally correct . Wife's family has 3 rental properties in the good parts . The value has skyrocketed . I wish I could get my hands on them , but I would have to break the pre-nup.
 
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