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OT: Cancer related to alcohol

Why does anyone need to drink or use pot? Just live a healthy life. Be smart.

Why do you need to use a cell phone or computer? Screen time and wifi frequencies are bad for you. Along with spending countless hours a day over moderating an internet message board.

Just live wrapped up in a bubble (but not a plastic one) and make better use of your free time.

Be smart.
 
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Your pharma example makes no sense. The vast, vast, vast majority of medications aren't linked to cancer like alcohol. They have minor and reversable side effects. Also, you are taking them to help with a medical problem, so they have clear benefits.
There are 10’s of millions of Americans taking meds simply because they don’t want to change their lifestyle or habits. All drugs come with negative consequences
 
Last year they told us it was good for your heart
There were a few studies that came up with the opinion that one or two drinks, maybe wine eg, you would live a bit longer than a non drinker
Of course those studies were probably,wrong, but it was accepted as fact back then
 
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I think what we are seeing is the same issue we saw with eggs. Eggs are good for you, when the chickens do not eat processed trash.

Alcohol I think is the same thing. When we mass produce, and use pesticide covered crops, and add chemical flavorings and components, we see a rise in cancer associated with it.

But maybe it is just the conspiracy theorist in me.
 
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I read about a study on longevity today, sorry no link, but the gist was weight/resistance training had the highest correlation to long life. 12 ounce curls ok, just have 25lbs in the other hand.
 
I read about a study on longevity today, sorry no link, but the gist was weight/resistance training had the highest correlation to long life. 12 ounce curls ok, just have 25lbs in the other hand.
Is "Pils" short for Pilsner?
Resistance training and increased grip strength highly correlates with increased longevity. Many people think it means an hour or more in the gym 4-5 days per week. The reality is 2-3 days per week, 20-30 minute focused (not staring at phone, not chatting with gym bros) training is sufficient. Many people get by with body weight exercise: pushups, pullups, dips, lunges, air squats, etc. and do fine. Doing nothing is being sedentary is terrible.
Genetics plays a huge role too.
While I don't drink, it is more due to the taste being repulsive to me, don't see anything wrong with drinking in moderation.
 
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Drink away. I'm sure this is all a big hoax like global warming.

There is also the elephant in the room.

A lot of cases cases are in young people. When that gets written about the time table is altered by using early 1990s as a marker for the period - a time when a glut of boomers were hitting middle age and smoking like chimneys (diet as a cause/fix was laughed at back then). The period of observation also caps observations with 50 yr olds when a lot of new cases are much younger. They group needing focus has been feathered in with stage sets

Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong (part owner of Lakers and cancer specialist) describes a 9 year old with colon cancer - obviously not related to drinking. Good chance the alcohol thing is another smoke screen for a problem many have become aware of.
 
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I think the pushback is more politics and we can't let the other side have wins.

Look how fat America has become in the last 40 years. Here is a short video of the seaside boardwalk in the 80s and another one from 2023. Not many fatties in the 80s but most people in the 2023 one are overweight.





Go back to the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s and the difference is even more profound. The reason is consumption of high calorie, less nutritious food and much less physical activity. Less group sports, running, biking, walking and collective movement. More sitting and screen time. The worst is less reading and thought and more visual stimulation. Nothing new to this complaint. It’s been happening since the invent of television. However, there are plenty of very bright, very well informed young people. I worked in the corporate world for 40+ years and was very impressed with the many young workers in their 20’s. They hold the key to the future.
 
There is also the elephant in the room.

A lot of cases cases are in young people. When that gets written about the time table is altered by using early 1990s as a marker for the period - a time when a glut of boomers were hitting middle age and smoking like chimneys (diet as a cause/fix was laughed at back then). The period of observation also caps observations with 50 yr olds when a lot of new cases are much younger. They group needing focus has been feathered in with stage sets

Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong (part owner of Lakers and cancer specialist) describes a 9 year old with colon cancer - obviously not related to drinking. Good chance the alcohol thing is another smoke screen for a problem many have become aware of.

I’m not anti-medicine or anything, but antibiotic use was pretty out of control by the time millennials were kids. Basically prescribed for every stuffy nose. Aside from creating resistant strains of bacteria, there’s some evidence suggesting childhood antibiotic use is correlated with earlier onset colon cancer (which is now becoming more common). The suggestion here is that the impact to the gut microbiome results in more susceptibility to cancer.

As the microbiome is passed from parent to child, it would make sense to me (not a doctor or anything remotely close) that today’s kids would reflect the depleted microbiome of their parents.

Btw: usually the appendix stores / protects strains of your gut microbiome to replenish after an illness or antibiotics or something like that, so I don’t think the takeaway is kids shouldn’t be given antibiotics. But maybe should be prescribed with a bit more discretion to avoid overdoing it.
 
Is "Pils" short for Pilsner?
Resistance training and increased grip strength highly correlates with increased longevity. Many people think it means an hour or more in the gym 4-5 days per week. The reality is 2-3 days per week, 20-30 minute focused (not staring at phone, not chatting with gym bros) training is sufficient. Many people get by with body weight exercise: pushups, pullups, dips, lunges, air squats, etc. and do fine. Doing nothing is being sedentary is terrible.
Genetics plays a huge role too.
While I don't drink, it is more due to the taste being repulsive to me, don't see anything wrong with drinking in moderation.
No, pils from my name, I prefer brown or red ales if I can get them.
 
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The moral of the story is don’t be a knucklehead.

Enjoy things like booze, pot, and chick-fil-a in moderation - as a special treat instead of an everyday occurrence. Workout 4 times a week or so. Stay off social media. Do all this and the odds are in your favor. But nothing is guaranteed.
 
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The moral of the story is don’t be a knucklehead.

Enjoy things like booze, pot, and chick-fil-a in moderation - as a special treat instead of an everyday occurrence. Workout 4 times a week or so. Stay off social media. Do all this and the odds are in your favor. But nothing is guaranteed.
Spot on. Everything in moderation is the key and offset that by other things like working out

Read the book outlive
 
What is the cancer rate in France ?
I’m guessing it’s not higher than ours, despite high alcohol consumption.

I looked this up too, seems that it is higher but that’s because they have an older population (and they smoke more)
 
I think the pushback is more politics and we can't let the other side have wins.

Look how fat America has become in the last 40 years. Here is a short video of the seaside boardwalk in the 80s and another one from 2023. Not many fatties in the 80s but most people in the 2023 one are overweight.





Take the politics out of it and his demonstration of how processed foods in the US have an ingredients list 2-3 times longer than the same product sold in other countries should wake people up.

That and the unsettling origin/effects of some of the preservatives/colorings in US foods that are outright banned in other countries.
 
if you haven't been since the new owners took over you need to check it out. 10x better than the original and Sunday's are a blast. The outdoor bar is hopping especially on summer Fridays
Love the Deauville - been going there for a long, long time more for the drinks and sunset than the food, which has always been mediocre and overpriced, probably because it didn't matter too much on account of the drinks and the sunset, lol. We go at least once every year during our OCNJ stay - when did the new owners take over (we were last there in Sept) and what's better about it?

Not a big drinker - never have been - but I like to get a good buzz on at a party and especially if there's dancing involved - but I can't drink beyond a certain point (about 6 drinks in 1-2 hours) without hurling and I know that point well and haven't hit it since I was about 21.
 
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The moral of the story is don’t be a knucklehead.

Enjoy things like booze, pot, and chick-fil-a in moderation - as a special treat instead of an everyday occurrence. Workout 4 times a week or so. Stay off social media. Do all this and the odds are in your favor. But nothing is guaranteed.
an annoying thing about this study is that it awards no points for moderation “Even low to moderate levels of alcohol consumption can increase liver cancer risk in those with other conditions like obesity, diabetes or high cholesterol”.
 
The US food system contains a lot of poison and toxins.
Ultra processed foods and crap additives that are not in the foods in other countries does more damage than moderate alcohol consumption. MAHA!
Agree completely. It's shocking to see compare the ingredients of foods that company A puts in food for America vs. food for Europe, because Europeans prohibit all that garbage. And although Americans may eat too much, the crap in processed food is part of the fatness issue, in my opinion (by the way, I ran my weekly 5K this morning!)

I thought RFK junior would sink his teeth into this and do something about it. Maybe he will eventually. I think it's a topic he knows about and I wish he would focus on it instead of on vaccinations, which he knows a bit less about...

ETA: I drink way too much. Sometimes I worry that I'm a high-functioning alcoholic, honestly. I'm also a fitness fanatic. I don't really make sense...
 
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Take the politics out of it and his demonstration of how processed foods in the US have an ingredients list 2-3 times longer than the same product sold in other countries should wake people up.

That and the unsettling origin/effects of some of the preservatives/colorings in US foods that are outright banned in other countries.
RFK latches onto bad science so he is not a good leader of any effort they is going to be taken seriously. There may be people who reject him because of who picked him, but there was plenty of rejection of his ideas before this election. He is a quack with zero science background outside of legal advocacy.
 
I live the life of a monk. No booze, no weed, no drugs. Eat healthy, exercise quite a bit. For living such a pristine life, I'll keel over soon! The large majority of the men in my family died in their 60's and early 70s.
Nah, I think you'll buck the trend. You're smart and will figure it all out...
 
Agree completely. It's shocking to see compare the ingredients of foods that company A puts in food for America vs. food for Europe, because Europeans prohibit all that garbage. And although Americans may eat too much, the crap in processed food is part of the fatness issue, in my opinion (by the way, I ran my weekly 5K this morning!)

I thought RFK junior would sink his teeth into this and do something about it. Maybe he will eventually. I think it's a topic he knows about and I wish he would focus on it instead of on vaccinations, which he knows a bit less about...

ETA: I drink way too much. Sometimes I worry that I'm a high-functioning alcoholic, honestly. I'm also a fitness fanatic. I don't really make sense...
How has he focused on vaccines?
 
Again, what has he done as a government official to warrant that comment?
Wasn't he the guy who promised to get to the root cause by September? As an official of the (government) agency in charge of such things.

Not that more evidence is needed, but has he not also had myriad blathering statements and sound bites on autism?
 
Wasn't he the guy who promised to get to the root cause by September? As an official of the (government) agency in charge of such things.

Not that more evidence is needed, but has he not also had myriad blathering statements and sound bites on autism?
I know you hate him simply because of who appointed him but did you agree with 100% of the personal opinions of people appointed by Biden? You like Biden, you think it’s ok to shower with your daughter? He does.
Nothing in his work so far has been anti vaccine
 
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I know you hate him simply because of who appointed him but did you agree with 100% of the personal opinions of people appointed by Biden? You like Biden, you think it’s ok to shower with your daughter? He does.
Nothing in his work so far has been anti vaccine
Way to go full "but Biden" unhinged and ignore the actual answer to your ill-conceived question.

I get it, you were exposed as incorrect. No need to admit it outright; a humble thread disappearance would have sufficed.

Friendly reminder: We had moved on from talking about vaccines.
 
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Again, what has he done as a government official to warrant that comment?
The person RFK put in charge of finding the secret cause of autism is a well known and long discredited anti vaxer quack and charlatan who pushed fake cures for profit along with his father. The father was stripped of his medical license for prescribing chemical castration medication to treat autism and the guy RFK appointed was sanctioned for practicing medicine without a license. He will do far more harm than good.
 
RFK latches onto bad science so he is not a good leader of any effort they is going to be taken seriously. There may be people who reject him because of who picked him, but there was plenty of rejection of his ideas before this election. He is a quack with zero science background outside of legal advocacy.
It would have been shorter for you to just say you are incapable of leaving the politics out if it.

Nothing about him personally has an impact of the reality of what he has pointed out regarding processed food in the US.
 
Love the Deauville - been going there for a long, long time more for the drinks and sunset than the food, which has always been mediocre and overpriced, probably because it didn't matter too much on account of the drinks and the sunset, lol. We go at least once every year during our OCNJ stay - when did the new owners take over (we were last there in Sept) and what's better about it?

Not a big drinker - never have been - but I like to get a good buzz on at a party and especially if there's dancing involved - but I can't drink beyond a certain point (about 6 drinks in 1-2 hours) without hurling and I know that point well and haven't hit it since I was about 21.
The outdoor bar and overall setup is a HUGE improvement. Food better, vibe better
 
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It would have been shorter for you to just say you are incapable of leaving the politics out if it.

Nothing about him personally has an impact of the reality of what he has pointed out regarding processed food in the US.
except an anti science conspiracy guy is not the right person to lead investigations into things most people care about. It's great to care about vaccines, autism, water safety, food safety, etc, but there isn't a serious person who trusts him to do the right thing on any of these issues. It's not his first rodeo.
 
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One thing to keep in mind for the worriers out there is that the scientific confidence in retrospective epidemiological studies like this one (especially survey-based ones vs. interview style studies), and the vast majority of studies on diet/nutrition/lifestyle, which are similar, is generally much lower than the confidence one usually gets from prospective, randomized controlled, blinded clinical studies used for new drugs/vaccines/devices prior to approval (and even those aren't always as definitive as scientists would like).

That's why we sometimes see significant inconsistencies or disagreements between and among nutrition/lifestyle studies for a specific risk factor with one study showing factor X is good and another showing it's bad and others in-between, whereas we usually don't see this kind of inconsistency for new drugs/vaccines - if they are safe and effective in the clinical trials, they're not going to suddenly not be so later on or in some additional study. The link below is to Dr. Eric Topol's recent essay/assessment of three major recent studies on alcohol and cancer (he's one of the best medical minds we have, IMO), where these three studies showed significant differences (the new study from the OP is not one of the three Topol reviewed).

https://erictopol.substack.com/p/a-ground-truth-on-alcohol-intake
 
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Yep alcohol is bad.
Seems like the new health craze is liver supplements and products
Anyone try them or have any insight?
I drink so I take milk thistle , dandelion root , and try to drink lots of water. Not sure how much of it helps.
You mean the new health scam !
 
You mean the new health scam !
Milk thistle has long been used by the European countries as part of the,treatment for liver problems, thought to good for elimination of toxins and waste
it helps protect the liver cells and support natural repair and regeneration

I would not jump to the conclusion that every supplement is a scam, while other things are prescription and thus believed to be real
 
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Just look at the faces of heavy drinkers. Excessive alcohol really ages you, and that tells you all you need to know about that rate of consumption. The question is whether more moderate consumption is statistically bad. I stopped drinking 30 years ago, don't miss it, but I had already drank up my lifetime quota in my late teens and twenties.
 
except an anti science conspiracy guy is not the right person to lead investigations into things most people care about. It's great to care about vaccines, autism, water safety, food safety, etc, but there isn't a serious person who trusts him to do the right thing on any of these issues. It's not his first rodeo.
If you can’t look at what is actually presented and see how food ingredients used in the US are actually banned in other countries, without your opinion of the presenter outweighing the actual information presented, then I am still right.

You are unable to remove politics from anything you think about.
 
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Love the Deauville - been going there for a long, long time more for the drinks and sunset than the food, which has always been mediocre and overpriced, probably because it didn't matter too much on account of the drinks and the sunset, lol. We go at least once every year during our OCNJ stay - when did the new owners take over (we were last there in Sept) and what's better about it?

Not a big drinker - never have been - but I like to get a good buzz on at a party and especially if there's dancing involved - but I can't drink beyond a certain point (about 6 drinks in 1-2 hours) without hurling and I know that point well and haven't hit it since I was about 21.
It takes me 3 weekends to drink 6 beers. Maybe because I spent a good part of my childhood spinning on the bar stools while my Dad kept filling his glasses.
Never smoked weed. Inhaled cigar & cigarette smoke from birth to age 16, thanks to Mom & Dad. Then another 16 years on my own before I quit and joined a gym at 34. COVID killed my trips to the gym and I recently decided to cancel my membership due to lack of interest.
 
Well, I’m 69 and it seems the illnesses appear after your 65. I started pot at the time I reduced my drinking, they affect different organs and doctors seem to be more tolerant to pot. I’m just trying to get to 85, a lot more prescriptions the last 2 years and now realizing how old I am. I’m having my second heart value repair shortly.
You and I are the same age. It does seem like that more issues started after 65, well at least different issues.
I feel blessed to have a good circle of close friends from 50-60 years ago. I stay active despite being diabetic and less than perfect knees. Keep your mind sharp and realize the world will go on even if you do occasionally overindulge in alcohol or enjoy some of God’s garden.
Cheers!
 
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