OT: Electric Cars
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I will say it a third time. In what way would it be newsworthy that an EV-only company is agreeing to work to sell 50% EVs?
Whereas it's definitely newsworthy if companies who predominately make ICE vehicles agree to work to sell 50% EVs.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Give what a break? Logic? Facts?
I'm not surprised you no longer want to discuss why an infrastructure bill might not have EV tax breaks that benefit Tesla in it. Actually, I bet the bill does have plenty of spending on infrastructure that will benefit EV owners, though, even if not through tax breaks.
You know, like the bridges EV owners drive over. The roads EV owners drive on. Improvement to the power grid that powers the chargers used by EVs. Little stuff like that.
Oh gosh. What a horribly anti-EV position for me to take.
I'm becoming convinced you would start a fight in an empty room.
Don't let the fanboys push you out. We're all entitled to our opinions and on-topic contributions.
I argue with myself all the time. Sometimes I even win. 😄
don't forget...these are roads and bridges that EV owners currently do not contribute any $$$ towards.
and if you were being honest...the zoomed out look has EV's at <3% of global car sales. its very easy to show exponential growth when you're a proverbial drop in a pond. if i sell 1 widget today, 2 widgets tomorrow, and 4 widgets the day after...i can say i have 100% growth day over day. but...if the total widget market is 300,000 widgets per day, did i make a dent?
signing the EO to get to 50% EV sales by 2030 is a great headline. however, the infrastructure deal is what SHOULD be the headline for the long-term viability and success of EV in the country.
the only "S"-es i can think of is how stupid and stubborn you are.
I asked you which auto benefits most from the credit. You then went on your typical, off topic pontification about how you personally feel about it. Guess what? I agree with you about EV credits. Tesla doesn't need them. BUT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED.
Truly exhausting.
The point was, and still is, big auto is pulling the strings. If GM, Ford, and UAW pushed hard for a credit, you can bet you ass it would be on the table. They don't want it, and for good reason.
Your point was there are EV players just as influential as big auto and big oil. You continue to withhold who these players are.
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Whether we are talking US or global sales, EVs have gone from about 0.0% a decade ago to 3% today. But the next decade (2030), the share will be 40% or 50%. You asked for exponential growth. I gave it to you. Nothing dishonest there at all. The growth is baked in. And sure, the infrastructure deal helps, but it's not critical. Tesla is still achieving strong sales growth even without the $7,500 federal rebate or millions of new EV chargers.
BTW, California and (I think) Massachusetts have 100% EV goals by 2030. Not sure if that's possible, but may be if hybrids are included.
Biden clearly misspoke. Maybe it will be clarified, but there will probably be a million EVs sold in the USA in 2021, not 2025. A goal of 3m annual USA EV sales by 2025 is doable and 8m by 2030.
The EV world does not revolve just around Tesla. A ton of new chargers are needed to support millions of new EV on the road, and not just passenger vehicles, but the trucking industry as well. Other auto makers are going to demand the same credit that was available to Tesla when they first started selling in order to stay price competitive with ICE vehicles while EV's scale. A family on a budget is going to pick the $26k Honda CRV over the $40k VW id4 strictly for budgetary reasons.
Whatever the case, it has zero to do with the context of this discussion.
Misleading websites are fine - You just proved you are smitten with Mr. Musk. Maybe if you keep this up he will let you fly in one of his nice rockets. Wouldn't that be cool.
The credit is still available for manufacturers that have sold less than 200K EVs.
A few points. First, most people charge at home overnight. Yes, chargers are also needed - there is a lot to do on that front. Think of charging an EV like putting on a new pot of coffee.
The second is that affordable models must become more prevalent. No question on that. They will come. I suspect in about 2 to 3 years. In the meantime, expect a shit-ton of Ford 150s and Rivians and (yes) Cybertrucks to be sold.
Nice try.
"Purchase price" and "potential savings" are right next to each other in the website. So devious!
Potential customers might be curious how much they're going to save not having to buy petrol.
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