OT- ESPN Removed from YouTubeTV -Disney/ESPN-YTTV Fail to Reach Agreement--DEAL REACHED 12/19
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This sucks. I love ESPN for Bowl season so this is a worst case scenario. Otherwise, YTTV has been a great service.
"Although we may see a deal being reached at some point in the near future, consumers looking to stream these channels may have to shop around for a new provider. Here are some alternatives to YouTube TV that will provide you with access to these channels and more:"
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- Hulu + Live TV ($69.99): 7-Day Free Trial
- Sling TV ($35-$50+): Only $10 For Your First Month
- fuboTV ($64.99): 7-Day Free Trial
What Happened To ABC and ESPN on YouTube TV? Why It’s Not Working, And What’s Next
Find out where else you can go to stream these networks, ABC and more.
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just do what I just did. As Ashokan highlighted aboveI just signed up for the 1 month of Sling for $10. Which is a net savings of $5 for the bowl season since UTTV is rebating $15.
You can add on 2 free weeks if you want to play the game too by jumping on Fubo and Hulu Live.
That's really what is happening through all of this.
Content creators and bundlers are negotiating with cablecos and also rolling their own streaming offerings. So the calculations as to how they can maximize their own profits changes (which could also be used to create better content, etc.. or be called being paid fairly for their content) .
Someday soon live local stations will offer a paid subscription via streaming and maybe even sell off their OTA bandwidth.. all have pretty much downgraded the signal of their broadcasts and segmented their bandwidth to use as something they can sell for infomercials or video conferencing and so on.
The Negroponte Switch was proposed or predicted by MIT Media Labs and it is basically a statement that OTA bandwidth should not be being used for broadcasting of media. It should be used for mobile point-to-point communications and all media should become transmitted via wires.
And that is pretty much what we see happening now as networks and their OTA stations are less and less important and we see all these creators offering their media products over the internet.
That's all this is.. companies weighing what they can negotiate to be paid from cablecos and aggregators like cablecos, Hulu, YouTubeTV etc and comparing it to their ability to sell subscriptions directly to consumers.
Looking at this all freaking morning it looks like the Disney bundle includes ESPN +, not the base live coverage and is more on demand streaming and other Sports..not live college football or the main basketball games like btn plus is to btn.
I just cancelled YTTV, and it will stay active until early January. When I cancelled, it gave me the option to tell them why and ABC/ESPN/Disney was one of the options. If they bring back the channels I will re-up, otherwise I am back to Hulu for a while.
Yeah, but can you record programs in the cloud and have them available to watch for 9 months like you can on YouTubeTV.
I think Fubo has a mult year deal just done last year.
In the end though as strong as Disney is, Google, Amazon, Apple have much deeper pockets than it. It's not like ESPN creates any of their own content. They have to buy it. These tech companies if they want to can bid for things that matter to them and pull content away from ESPN/Disney. They have plenty of money, it's just a matter if they want to do it or not. I posted in that stock thread about predictions from people in the industry and how further consolidation is likely. Companies like Fox or Viacom/CBS, etc.. are out there I mean if they want to get in this space they can and use those companies as a tool to do it.
disney bundle does not include ESPN live TV programming AFAIK
Here we go found a link on it.
Can You Replace ESPN with ESPN+ After Being Dropped By YouTube TV?
Last night, 17 Disney-owned channels were dropped by YouTube TV, including ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ACC Network, and SEC Network. Those channels have disappeared from the service in the middle of the Los Angeles Lakers vs. …thestreamable.com
Thanks for posting this link - super helpful. I'm on YTTV and now actively looking for a new service. I may give it a day or so for the two corporate behemoths to sort this out, but my patience will be really short.
This is what I mean, be it Apple, Amazon, Google...if it's part of their strategy always wonder if tempts them to go further into the space and cut out the middleman (ESPN/Disney) so don't have to deal with these spats.
From a Barron's article:
It’s a hiccup for YouTube TV parent Alphabet (ticker: GOOGL), albeit a small one. The monthly price for subscribers is dropping by $15 a month, or $180 a year. YouTubeTV has an estimated 4 million subscribers. That’s $720 million in annual revenue.
Of course, the content might not be off the platform forever. And the opposite side of that equation probably works as well. Disney (DIS) is losing money coming from a viewing platform.
Alphabet’s estimated 2022 revenue is currently at about $245 billion. Disney’s estimated fiscal year 2022 revenue estimates come in at an average of about $84 billion.
From a Barron's article:
It’s a hiccup for YouTube TV parent Alphabet (ticker: GOOGL), albeit a small one. The monthly price for subscribers is dropping by $15 a month, or $180 a year. YouTubeTV has an estimated 4 million subscribers. That’s $720 million in annual revenue.
Of course, the content might not be off the platform forever. And the opposite side of that equation probably works as well. Disney (DIS) is losing money coming from a viewing platform.
Alphabet’s estimated 2022 revenue is currently at about $245 billion. Disney’s estimated fiscal year 2022 revenue estimates come in at an average of about $84 billion.
Verizon FIOS internet customers can take advantage of a promo that they pay for you to get Sling Orange or Blue for two months free $35 per month savings. They redirect you to Sling for your account signup. Sling Orange has ESPN.
Thanks. As I noted above I just signed up for the $10 first month orange pack.. and then Rakuten just rebated in it back to me lol. So free. I have FiOS so that buys me 3 free months saving $45!
Stay strong yttv. Screw these price increases and perhaps more content leaves ESPN. One can only hope.
Anybody wanting to sign up for Rakuten (Ebates) send me your email to johnnyrocktown@gmail.com and I'll send you the referral code/link.
The whole thing does seem like a power play by Disney. As was mentioned, Disney owns the vast majority of Hulu. And I'm not sure about the current situation, but as of last year Disney also owned 6.6 million shares of Fubo TV which was about 5% of Fubo stock... That's a much smaller portion than their stake in Hulu, but it's still significant. Whether they still own Fubo stock or not, Disney could definitely benefit by viewers leaving YoutubeTV due to the loss of the Disney channels caused by Disney's significant increase of their carriage fees to Youtube... We obviously don't know all the facts, but at least right now I'm more unhappy with Disney than with YTTV.
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You know it does make me wonder if the other cable providers won't take notice on how this plays out. Like I mentioned and demonstrated above, this isn't the space where Google makes its money and can afford to hold its ground as much or as little as it wants. I don't know if/when it's published but it'll be a good test case to see how much it affected YTTV's subscriber base. How did net subscribers change. It'll give them an idea of how firm they can be in future negotiations of their own with Disney specifically but other content providers too. They rely on cable subscriptions more so it might be hard be a first "resister" but now they have a real world instance to examine.
Looks like all the Disney Channels are back except ABC itself for now. I'm guessing that will come back soon.
Just FYI though, I didn't see the channels back in my guide at first. I had to go login to my YouTube TV account and check mark them to make them come back. I also had to go back and put them back in the order I had originally arranged them in my guide.
edit: ABC is back now too
@Knight Shift You might want to retitle the thread now that it's back
Just FYI though, I didn't see the channels back in my guide at first. I had to go login to my YouTube TV account and check mark them to make them come back. I also had to go back and put them back in the order I had originally arranged them in my guide.
edit: ABC is back now too
@Knight Shift You might want to retitle the thread now that it's back
Lol..just saw that and got the email. Wow that's awesome and fast!
@Knightshift I wouldn't retire it just yet but change the title to say resolved for those not knowing just yet.
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OK great. Procrastination paid off.
I'll put it in the coaching carousel thread too. I ain't got my channels back yet.
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Did you read the FYI part I mentioned. You may need to go into your account and into your live guide and check mark the channels again. You’ll also have to rearrange them back into your guide in whatever order you may have customized them.
I had to do that. The channels didn’t just reappear in my guide without me doing that.
Of course I did not read it. I have a short attention span.
My email said: "Don’t worry, your personal preferences and recommendations will be just as you left them."
That wasn’t the case for me. I had to check mark them back and then rearrange the channels back into the guide like I had them before.
I did the same, and thanks for that.
Seems that newer channels were added (or maybe ones I never noticed) like getTV, which is not a bad channel. I remember YTTV added a bunch of Spanish language channels but never bothered to add them to my lineup. All is well again until the next negotiation fails.
There was always a smart way for them to make a deal. Pretty sure DisneyPlus uses AWS for the tech side of things.. that's Amazon (who must have everything Disney needs because they run Prime's streaming services). Clearly, they could be using Google and YouTube tech for the back end. I also think Amazon and Disney will compete for viewers.. both produce content now... whereas I do not think Google is in that business... though they do pay a lot of "creators" who bring eyeballs.
Bottom line, there is a bigger deal available there... more like a partnership.
Bottom line, there is a bigger deal available there... more like a partnership.
A streaming model with all of the same petty disputes and resulting channel blackouts based on greed that happen with cable. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
That's the only thing I don't like about Sling. One has ESPN but not BTN and vice-versa. And I think you have to get the Orange and Blue combo to get all three of ESPN, BTN and FS1
That’s what I was saying above. You have to go into your account and checkmark them and the rearrange them back into your guide the way you had them. That’s what I had to do. PITA but what are you gonna do.
Yep, just did it. Do you have an issue with editing your guide? Often, my changes don't save and I have to do it over and over. It gets annoying.
No, all you have to do after putting it in order you want online is go back to your YouTube TV menu screen where it says Library Home Live and click on Live. That will give a refresh of your guide and it should be in the order you arranged it in online.
Unfortunately not. I leave the site and return, and it's as if they were never moved. I juat keep doing it over and over until it sticks.
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