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Ok, I bleed scarlet as much as anyone but that overhead shot isn't quite as picturesque as the rest. It scores points because it's Rutgers, but the thin brown river, sporadic trees, insignificant landscape doesn't quite inspire awe.
 
No. Clifford Scott was in East Orange. I believe it was combined with East Orange High to form East Orange Campus, possibly on the former site of Upsula College.

I believe Shabazz, which is in Newark, was originally called South Side High School.

Pretty sure it's been called Shabazz since before the 90's
 
Ok, I bleed scarlet as much as anyone but that overhead shot isn't quite as picturesque as the rest. It scores points because it's Rutgers, but the thin brown river, sporadic trees, insignificant landscape doesn't quite inspire awe.
Sarcasm?? Sporadic trees? Insignificant landscape? There is a golf course right next to the stadium, a river + canal, tons of trees. Look at 2 of our closest rivals in the Big 10. Penn State sucks and Maryland is a series of paved small parking lots.
 
No. Clifford Scott was in East Orange. I believe it was combined with East Orange High to form East Orange Campus, possibly on the former site of Upsula College.

I believe Shabazz, which is in Newark, was originally called South Side High School.
Correct on all points. The "campus" in East Orange Campus is a homage of sorts to Upsala.

In fact, when we played at Clifford Scott in the mid-'80s, we played them at Upsala. I forget if it has closed yet.

I'm not sure when South Side became Shabazz, but one famous South Side alum is former NYC mayor Ed Koch.
 
Ok, I bleed scarlet as much as anyone but that overhead shot isn't quite as picturesque as the rest. It scores points because it's Rutgers, but the thin brown river, sporadic trees, insignificant landscape doesn't quite inspire awe.
how about this one.. any awe?
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yes.. they had a real chance with building that south entrance to do something really good.. they messed it up badly. Its almost like they used whatever materials they had around and cobbled it together.
 
how about this one.. any awe?
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yes.. they had a real chance with building that south entrance to do something really good.. they messed it up badly. Its almost like they used whatever materials they had around and cobbled it together.
Do many people use that entrance?
 
how about this one.. any awe?
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yes.. they had a real chance with building that south entrance to do something really good.. they messed it up badly. Its almost like they used whatever materials they had around and cobbled it together.
What did you want to do there? They shouldn't wasted money putting an entrance as it's hardly ever used.
 
What did you want to do there? They shouldn't wasted money putting an entrance as it's hardly ever used.
And as time goes by and more money becomes available it will be more of utility type entrance with the locker rooms and whatever else gets built under the Student Section.
 
What did you want to do there? They shouldn't wasted money putting an entrance as it's hardly ever used.
choices made in materials and alignments are very disjointed.. much like a good chunk of the Rodkin building.. lack of symmetry and proportion everywhere. You guys always defend these choices by citing budgets when it has nothing to do with budget but DESIGN.

Hey @Source , any chance you know how to find the original plans for the south entrance? I am wondering if it looked better in the plans.
 
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choices made in materials and alignments are very disjointed.. much like a good chunk of the Rodkin building.. lack of symmetry and proportion everywhere. You guys always defend these choices by citing budgets when it has nothing to do with budget but DESIGN.
Seriously? Again what did you want it to be a grand palace? There is nothing wrong with it.
Your first complaint was about "materials" now it's about design. Make up your mind. The field entrance for emergency vehicles mandated, under any design, there was no chance for perfect symmetry in that end of the building. Some of the original design was for other functions underneath that were cut for budget reasons. And if you think that a complete redesign wouldn't cost money than you are a fool.
 
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Seriously? Again what did you want it to be a grand palace? There is nothing wrong with it.
Your first complaint was about "materials" now it's about design. Make up your mind. The field entrance for emergency vehicles mandated, under any design, there was no chance for perfect symmetry in that end of the building. Some of the original design was for other functions underneath that were cut for budget reasons. And if you think that a complete redesign wouldn't cost money than you are a fool.
what.. both cannot be faulty? It's the way you use materials that makes the main difference. I made lengthy comments about both buildings when they were new I will not go trudge them up just to answer you. The inside space is not even a factor.

You disagree.. fine. But click that link to see where I am coming from. it costs virtually nothing to employ symmetry and proportion properly. In materials, it is clashing warm brick or wood and cold glass and metal that CAN be disjointed.

Aesthetics and Architecture
 
Sarcasm?? Sporadic trees? Insignificant landscape? There is a golf course right next to the stadium, a river + canal, tons of trees. Look at 2 of our closest rivals in the Big 10. Penn State sucks and Maryland is a series of paved small parking lots.
I'm not saying it's not better than PSU or Maryland... it is. It's just not awe inspiring like you see at BYU or Colorado.

Don't get me wrong, I love our stadium, the fact that it's built into the hill, the quaintness of the campus side, the new facade of the River Rd side, I just don't think it belongs on any top 10 lists.
 
I'm not saying it's not better than PSU or Maryland... it is. It's just not awe inspiring like you see at BYU or Colorado.

Don't get me wrong, I love our stadium, the fact that it's built into the hill, the quaintness of the campus side, the new facade of the River Rd side, I just don't think it belongs on any top 10 lists.
I don't think any P5 schools stadiums belong in the top 10.
I've been all over this country watching college football and am a proud of the setup and beauty of the surrounding lots as a Rutgers alum. We don't take a back seat to many major programs.
 
what.. both cannot be faulty? It's the way you use materials that makes the main difference. I made lengthy comments about both buildings when they were new I will not go trudge them up just to answer you. The inside space is not even a factor.

You disagree.. fine. But click that link to see where I am coming from. it costs virtually nothing to employ symmetry and proportion properly. In materials, it is clashing warm brick or wood and cold glass and metal that CAN be disjointed.

Aesthetics and Architecture
I get what your saying but stop with "it wouldn't have cost more money" to build a palace for an entrance that nobody uses.
You keep ignoring that the south end zone and expansion was an add on not the original design. You keep forgetting that funding was cut drastically after they committed to the addition. An addition that was never really needed. You seem to be saying it's a dump. It's not.
BTW I graduated with a degree in Urban and Regional Planning and had many architecture classes in my years at RU.
 
I don't think any P5 schools stadiums belong in the top 10.
I've been all over this country watching college football and am a proud of the setup and beauty of the surrounding lots as a Rutgers alum. We don't take a back seat to many major programs.

Not sure about that.

Who belongs in the top 10 over Colorado, UW, BYU, etc?
 
how about this one.. any awe?
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yes.. they had a real chance with building that south entrance to do something really good.. they messed it up badly. Its almost like they used whatever materials they had around and cobbled it together.
I think what it's lacking the most is the natural landscape, ie, mountains, a mighty river (no, the raritan isn't mighty), dense forest set ablaze by the changing leaves.
 
I get what your saying but stop with "it wouldn't have cost more money" to build a palace for an entrance that nobody uses.
You keep ignoring that the south end zone and expansion was an add on not the original design. You keep forgetting that funding was cut drastically after they committed to the addition. An addition that was never really needed. You seem to be saying it's a dump. It's not.
BTW I graduated with a degree in Urban and Regional Planning and had many architecture classes in my years at RU.
"I get what your saying " and "You seem to be saying it's a dump" are contradictory.. that's why you cannot quote me as saying "it's a dump".

- it doesn't matter that the entrance is hardly used (largely by students who come over from the New Brunswick campuses on buses). If it were aesthetically pleasing in any way it would be filmed for use on the broadcasts. Opportunity missed.

- it doesn't matter if the insides are to be used later.

- it doesn't cost more to make things align better. I have no idea why you say symmetry was impossible. The entrance is in the middle of a symmetrical endzone section. It is the choices as to where the brick ends and size of the window openings and so on... none if it makes any sense. It is jarring. That you don't see that.. I'm okay with that.

One positive from the river flood photo above.. the ugly grids over the staircase wells are hidden behind those large block R banners. That's a plus. Now hide the arched girder above the doorways. When stuff is improved by hiding it.. that's a sign it should not have been built that way to begin with.

compare this:

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with this..

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Are they the same? Not really. A simple change of using the white logo on back background for the sponsor changed the proportions of the black rectangle and is far more cohesive. It is little things like that that could have been done all over that entrance to make it look better.

In short, that entrance is a like a document that uses too many typefaces and fonts. It is jarring. There is too much going on that does not mesh with the other elements.

And from 2015.. this was what the new Hale center was supposed to look like... notice anything? how about nods to proportion and symmetry and impressiveness?

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"I get what your saying " and "You seem to be saying it's a dump" are contradictory.. that's why you cannot quote me as saying "it's a dump".

- it doesn't matter that the entrance is hardly used (largely by students who come over from the New Brunswick campuses on buses). If it were aesthetically pleasing in any way it would be filmed for use on the broadcasts. Opportunity missed.

- it doesn't matter if the insides are to be used later.

- it doesn't cost more to make things align better. I have no idea why you say symmetry was impossible. The entrance is in the middle of a symmetrical endzone section. It is the choices as to where the brick ends and size of the window openings and so on... none if it makes any sense. It is jarring. That you don't see that.. I'm okay with that.

One positive from the river flood photo above.. the ugly grids over the staircase wells are hidden behind those large block R banners. That's a plus. Now hide the arched girder above the doorways. When stuff is improved by hiding it.. that's a sign it should not have been built that way to begin with.

compare this:

SHI.jpg


with this..

1T3Sy2larnQdNp1eW6KZwyAzwmoDSvTc4Y3xKfu-wJMYuiXTOIY5D4RFl75EtfGj_GuUF6TtxgqOXLlEZteJKIRW8yR57tXUbDCOBzGQFqYS9TWphU6k6iWzpQTuo_yfdcvziR5C3nWAKqptROXoRelimBlQHNY2YTBLLg


Are they the same? Not really. A simple change of using the white logo on back background for the sponsor changed the proportions of the black rectangle and is far more cohesive. It is little things like that that could have been done all over that entrance to make it look better.

In short, that entrance is a like a document that uses too many typefaces and fonts. It is jarring. There is too much going on that does not mesh with the other elements.

And from 2015.. this was what the new Hale center was supposed to look like... notice anything? how about nods to proportion and symmetry and impressiveness?

B9317768871Z.1_20150618185718_000_GFQB4A9J6.1-0.jpg
Sorry. I didn't know you had so many issues. Can't wait to see your meltdown when the RAC gets refurbished. However in all of these changes require money. Plain and simple. And when funding gets drastically cut you still want a Taj. Especially on a side of the stadium of the stadium that never gets used. You are 1000x wrong on students using that entrance. The few students that walk over walk up the hill with their beer and booze and party in the lots pregame. That entrance is closed before kick off because it isn't used. I found out the hard way one game trying to go to the recruiting lounge to be with the Letterwinners. Locked up. It's sad your embarrassed by Rutgers Stadium. BTW the last picture you posted looks more like the visitor center and looks at best meh. If that is your idea of great architecture then we have nothing left to talk about.
 
Sorry. I didn't know you had so many issues. Can't wait to see your meltdown when the RAC gets refurbished. However in all of these changes require money. Plain and simple. And when funding gets drastically cut you still want a Taj. Especially on a side of the stadium of the stadium that never gets used. You are 1000x wrong on students using that entrance. The few students that walk over walk up the hill with their beer and booze and party in the lots pregame. That entrance is closed before kick off because it isn't used. I found out the hard way one game trying to go to the recruiting lounge to be with the Letterwinners. Locked up. It's sad your embarrassed by Rutgers Stadium. BTW the last picture you posted looks more like the visitor center and looks at best meh. If that is your idea of great architecture then we have nothing left to talk about.
You are correct. Not worth talking about when you keep creating straw men with which to argue. You use repeatedly use language designed to assign emotions and thoughts and declare victory over your strawman opponent.

"so many issues"

"meltdown"

"still want a Taj"

"1000x wrong".. when "use" only means "enter" to you instead of walk up to and right by.

"embarrassed"

"great architecture" (I said it is more aesthetically pleasing with "nods to proportion and symmetry and impressiveness")

Yes.. nothing further to discuss.
 
You are correct. Not worth talking about when you keep creating straw men with which to argue. You use repeatedly use language designed to assign emotions and thoughts and declare victory over your strawman opponent.

"so many issues"

"meltdown"

"still want a Taj"

"1000x wrong".. when "use" only means "enter" to you instead of walk up to and right by.

"embarrassed"

"great architecture" (I said it is more aesthetically pleasing with "nods to proportion and symmetry and impressiveness")

Yes.. nothing further to discuss.
Agree. Glad you think you are the best in architecture without understanding the cost.
 
Agree. Glad you think you are the best in architecture without understanding the cost.
Again... another strawman... "you think you are the best in architecture without understanding the cost"

Did the comparison of the two photos with the only change being in the banners over the stairwell openings NOT clue you into that "cost" argument?

Go ahead.. take the last word. I await your next strawman.

B TW.. here is what IU did in 2009 with their north endzone... and what we did in 2009 with the south endzone
 
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yes.. they had a real chance with building that south entrance to do something really good.. they messed it up badly. Its almost like they used whatever materials they had around and cobbled it together.
Most likely they did, because $32 million was cut from the original budget.
 
Again... another strawman... "you think you are the best in architecture without understanding the cost"

Did the comparison of the two photos with the only change being in the banners over the stairwell openings NOT clue you into that "cost" argument?

Go ahead.. take the last word. I await your next strawman.

B TW.. here is what IU did in 2009 with their north endzone... and what we did in 2009 with the south endzone

I like the inside, but the European cathedral exterior facade is a bit much.
 
Again... another strawman... "you think you are the best in architecture without understanding the cost"

Did the comparison of the two photos with the only change being in the banners over the stairwell openings NOT clue you into that "cost" argument?

Go ahead.. take the last word. I await your next strawman.

B TW.. here is what IU did in 2009 with their north endzone... and what we did in 2009 with the south endzone
Not an apples to oranges comparison IMO.
 
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