The ratings have more than a little to do with gambling.
OT: Indiana with zero players left on roster?
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Sure and it also has more than a little to do with big brands and stars playing through multiple weekends
Probably some of both.
Yes, and instead of making adjustments to those rules and decreasing the time needed to make rulings, they just abandoned them entirely.... Giving rise to the current era of entirely unchecked player movement.
Do handicappers factor in a teams’ NIL numbers? We’d be competing in claiming races.
I wonder how much longer the average Joe will continue to watch on TV. The whole point of the NCAA tournament was to root for UMBC, VCU, George Mason, Loyola, etc. if your school didn’t get in or was knocked out. The old system had the odds stacked against them, but at least it happened. Now the system is so rigged there is no chance. Hartford and Saint Francis of PA are only the first stages of colleges who realize it isn’t worth it anymore and go from Division 1 to Division 3. I could see FDU, Saint Peters, Rider, etc. getting to that point soon. Thousands of student-athletes in various sports across the country that got scholarships will lose them. I still say in the long run, NIL will hurt more kids than it helps.These NJ schools and a lot more nationally play in high school gyms with no TV money.
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Transfer rule changes are the biggest culprit. NIL with the old transfer rules would have been a very minor thing.
The California "Fair pay for play" law in 2019 that kicked off the changes following O'Bannon (2015) predates the NCAA dropping almost all of the transfer barriers. Had NIL gone forward with the rules in place at the time the NIL push kicked off, it would have been much more reasonable.
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Completely lost interest. I can't imagine that this is what they had in mind when the created the transfer portal. Oh well.
If freehold was still open we would be racing in the non-winner group
Both of those fan bases are tiny compared to the degenerate gamblers who are really driving the sport
The NCAA changed the transfer rules because they knew they would lose in court. Any other student can transfer at will, they knew they had no defense.
Rutgers university has made a commitment to winning. Increasing expenses drastically every year. Carrying the most debt we’ve ever carried.
It’s the Rutgers fans who in our history have yet to contribute to the level we want our program to rise to.
Other students can also gamble on sports. And get directly paid to play sports. There are countless eligibility rules that athletes must adhere to which don't apply to other students.
There was never any restriction on transferring to a new school, just whether you could play at the new school.
At this point the NCAA might as well just throw out the rule book on eligibility.
Correct. There should be no reason whatsoever why the transfer rules would be shut down in court. If you make a decision to play for team A, you sign a contract which indicates you won’t leave and play for team B for a specified amount of time. To me, this is well aligned with pay of play and mirrors the logic of non-compete clauses which are very standard in the corporate workforce. It’s asinine that the transfer rules have not been reinstated.
No. See above. This isn’t true. Athletes can transfer at will. They just would not be able to play for a competitor team - just like a standard non-compete clause. If I’m an analyst at Goldman Sachs my employment contract likely says I can’t leave and go work for JP Morgan for a certain about of time. Thats allowed. Why is this different?
Exactly .
These players are NOT like any other student (who can transfer at will), these players are getting PAID and just like ANY person getting PAID they should be subject to reasonable terms for their PAYMENT.
One such reasonable term should be appropriate controls on their ability to transfer…. You know like a timeframe for their contract - like EVERY OTHER PROFESSIONAL SPORT
Not only every pro sport, pretty much every profession in America has controls through non-compete language or other similar avenues built into union terms. A NYC teacher, for example, can’t just switch schools mid-year when an opening at another NYC school pops up. There are rules. Even outside of the union schools - they would get sued for not giving proper notice.
I could possibly see an argument perhaps against the one time transfer and possible waiver consideration when an existing coach departs. But no penalty ever for picking up and auctioning yourself off is the Wild West.
It's going to be more and common with all the new features of NCAA basketball. I think Maryland will be at a count of zero very soon. Two players (Young and Gapare, whose next school will be his fourth) have already made the portal scene...
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These students, who are on the basketball team, can transfer at will as well. This is an obtuse statement, but no more obtuse than implying that because they are on a team, they can't transfer...
https://natlawreview.com/article/antitrust-labor-market-violations-ncaa-agrees-stop-restricting-college-athlete#:~:text=As part of a proposed,to sit out a year.
In order to avoid anti-trust charges from the DOJ and several state attorney generals, the NCAA entered a consent decree eliminating the one year sit out transfer rule. Hope that helps.
Correct. Legally it's been a done deal for a long time now. That's not what my post was about...
The NCAA settled because they knew they would lose in court, because they were treating one group of student differently than every one else. It was a slam dunk case.
If that were such a slam dunk, then all students could petition schools to provide them with benefits afforded scholarship athletes. It is okay to treat groups of students differently, when one group of students has signed a different agreement with the school than another.
When you commit to play basketball for a university, they commit to provide you with certain benefits - benefits that can be lost if you engage in activities that would deem you ineligible (e.g., gambling on sports). This is a case the NCAA didn't want to fight - not one they were sure to lose.
Still looking for the answer to this question:
Did Geo ever get that couple of hundred bucks for putting his name on that summer basketball camp in New Hampshire???
Wasn't that what started the whole NIL thing?
Did Geo ever get that couple of hundred bucks for putting his name on that summer basketball camp in New Hampshire???
Wasn't that what started the whole NIL thing?
Baker didn't start anything, but was vocal about it later on. O'Bannon vs NCAA was filed in 2009 and decided in 2015, while Geo was still in high school. That started the wheels in motion, and it picked up steam in 2019 with California's "Fair pay to play act", with many other states following suit over the next two years.
This was all back in an era when transfers were pretty locked down, though. It wasn't until 2021 that players could transfer without sitting out a year (done simultaneously with the NCAA rule change allowing NIL), and not until 2024 that players could undergrad transfer multiple times with no waiver.
NIL wouldn't have caused the same explosion without the transfer rules being changed, because who's going to pay for a player to sit out a year... or for one who has already used up their one allowable transfer and can't go anywhere?
Their contracts are one year, anything beyond that is not guaranteed. The sooner some of you get that the easier it will be for you.
It seems like he understands that’s the way it works now but is saying he thinks that should change.
Not really, he's advocating for going back to the old ways of doing things by using words like "control". The NCAA has lost multiple court cases over their past practices. Without an antitrust exemption they are powerless.
Thanks for both misunderstanding my post and incorrectly putting words in my mouth.
Where did I say I want things to go back to the way they were? I never said anything even remotely close to that.
My simple point (which I can’t see how anyone could disagree with as it’s the way professional sports - and frankly all contracts where someone is getting good $$$)…..
If someone gets PAID they should expect to have some terms placed on their PAYMENT. Just like ANY OTHER job where people get PAID SIGNIFICANT MONEY.
they are called contracts
And unless I am wrong when it comes to professional sports - all contracts involve timeframes so that the entity providing the $$$$$$ can be assured that their inve$tment won’t skip town right away.
How is this concept lost on you?
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The NCAA is not like the NBA, NFL, etc. Comparing them is pointless because the NCAA doesn’t currently have the power to do business like them.
The expectation is they are on the roster & perform at a reasonable level. If they are not on the roster, NIL ceases immediately. If their performance is lacking then they are usually given the talk and there is no further NIL because they won’t be on the roster going forward. If their performance meets or exceeds expectations then they may renegotiate & stay or leave at their will for a better deal.
exactly. so its complete year-to-year free agency/ wild west. you think that's a good thing ... for the schools AND the kids?!?!?!
despite your attempt to put words in my mouth ("he wants it to go back the way it was"...which I did not even remotely say or even remotely suggest) I think the current situation is ridiculous.
no. I do not think it "needs to go back the way it was" but there should be some rules in place that: compensates the players fairly (and pays them well) BUT also provides some amount of roster stability AND protection to the players. and BTW this is hardly a unique thought - these are the KEY REASONS WHY CONTRACTS EXIST IN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS. why should college sports be any different?
or, do you think college kids deserve no protection/ guarantees? I do. As should the entities paying them big $$. again, this is hardly a unique thought.
Until there is a players union for the NCAA to collectively negotiate with, you will not have multi-year contracts.
You’re a bit unhinged, collect yourself and then we’ll converse.
There is some what a precedence for the concept- when the reserve clause in MLB was struck down Marvin Miller negotiated a
retention contract where a limited number of free agents would come out each year. The result was fewer free agents -but bigger contracts.
retention contract where a limited number of free agents would come out each year. The result was fewer free agents -but bigger contracts.
try making an argument without putting words in someone's mouth and then we can converse. doing so is weak and lazy.
btw, the use of bold does not imply emotion but emphasis - since you are in obvious need of clarity in order to comprehend simple concepts
2025-26 Maryland is going to be Texas A&M 2024-25, it's beginning to look like. Coach and five players so far, according to the great Ben Dickson of InsideMDSports. Not a compelling watch for me, but I know I'm in the minority.
The Texas A&M of the East
Also, I forgot how many injuries they had last season. No wonder they only played six or seven guys...
The Texas A&M of the East
Also, I forgot how many injuries they had last season. No wonder they only played six or seven guys...
