OT: Iowa State fires their coach
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I was on the Cuse and BC board, they want to fire their coach but probably will be next year or the following year.
They will have a better short list than us. No Schiano tree guys and more innovative offense guys.
This.
No vision at the top.
No leadership.
Nobody is ever proactive at RU, just reactionary when it's too late.
Iowa State is not a good job. They have a history of being beaten like gongs by Big 12 -- and for that matter, back to Big 8 -- schools for years, the basketball team is more popular, and there's not exactly a lot of home-grown talent to choose from. And there's the matter of the other major state university being better at football, pretty much forever.
We are a better job than that. Assuming we're willing to pay a competitive salary among the schools looking for a coach -- I know, but let's assume it -- Iowa State is not one of the places we have to worry about.
We are a better job than that. Assuming we're willing to pay a competitive salary among the schools looking for a coach -- I know, but let's assume it -- Iowa State is not one of the places we have to worry about.
They just lost after being up 35-14 at half to a bad KSU team. Lost by 35 to TTU, 36 to OU.
He was 32-54 and Iowa State was proactive?
No can't be proactive at Rutgers. We have people actually claiming that if we let Flood go it will be akin to the Cleveland Browns letting Bill Belichek go too soon. Lets give Flood 4 more years to show what he can do.
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ISU is a job that is not as good as ours. They may land a good coach but I don't think it's as attractive as ours. Put Cuse/BC in that category as well.
Was kinda surprised they let him go because he just signed a 10 year 20M contract a handful of years ago. So I thought a lot of money was still left on it. But just read there was a 4.5M buyout. So not chump change but not 10M either. All these schools waste resources left and right. There's no way he deserved that 10 year contract. He had a decent season and they upset #2 Ok. State at the time but that's way too long. The money was fine but the length was way too long. Paul Rhoads? Really? If it wasn't so long they probably could have gotten rid of him with a smaller buyout than 4.5M. I don't think ADs will ever learn.
Was kinda surprised they let him go because he just signed a 10 year 20M contract a handful of years ago. So I thought a lot of money was still left on it. But just read there was a 4.5M buyout. So not chump change but not 10M either. All these schools waste resources left and right. There's no way he deserved that 10 year contract. He had a decent season and they upset #2 Ok. State at the time but that's way too long. The money was fine but the length was way too long. Paul Rhoads? Really? If it wasn't so long they probably could have gotten rid of him with a smaller buyout than 4.5M. I don't think ADs will ever learn.
Tom Herman was the OC at Iowa State when Rutgers beat them in several years back. But, I'm sure he wants a bigger job. BUT.....if they have some big donors and money to spend, I'm sure they will throw a ton of money his way.
He got 7 years.
Rhoads was trending upward. So unfair:
2009 Iowa State 7–6 3–5 4th (North) W Insight
2010 Iowa State 5–7 3–5 T–3rd (North)
2011 Iowa State 6–7 3–6 8th L Pinstripe
2012 Iowa State 6–7 3–6 9th L Liberty
2013 Iowa State 3–9 2–7 T–7th
2014 Iowa State 2–10 0–9 10th
2015 Iowa State 3–8 2–6
Rhoads was trending upward. So unfair:
2009 Iowa State 7–6 3–5 4th (North) W Insight
2010 Iowa State 5–7 3–5 T–3rd (North)
2011 Iowa State 6–7 3–6 8th L Pinstripe
2012 Iowa State 6–7 3–6 9th L Liberty
2013 Iowa State 3–9 2–7 T–7th
2014 Iowa State 2–10 0–9 10th
2015 Iowa State 3–8 2–6
Nope at least not until we were getting a full share and eliminated the subsidy. But it's bad business to put yourself in that position to pay such a large buyout for at best a mediocre coach in the first place. It's not just the ISU AD though, it's everyone in the country.
He signed that 10 year 20M contract in 2011. He never even had a winning record in the conference. I've always said conference record is a big deal because you can't run away from it. That's your competition every year and a large part of your schedule. His pay was fine at 2M average, not bad and within acceptable boundaries but 10 years was crazy. No one can foresee out that far. Even championship coaches can go stale in that period. It would literally take a Saban/Meyer type coach to even consider that and pretty much no one else.
We did it for Schiano too around 2006 where his contract became 10 years in length with an extension. I didn't like it then either. It was just one season. If they want to walk, let them. More times than not you're not losing anything special. I think ADs go overboard trying to keep guys who only show some short term success. Wait at least for some consistent results.
I haven't looked it up what were the rankings of ISU's defenses during his time there.
BTW here's the link.
Iowa State signed Rhoads to a 10-year, $20 million contract before the 2012 season. He is due a buyout of roughly $4.5 million under the terms of that deal.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/story/_/id/14193004/iowa-state-cyclones-fire-paul-rhoads
Iowa State signed Rhoads to a 10-year, $20 million contract before the 2012 season. He is due a buyout of roughly $4.5 million under the terms of that deal.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/story/_/id/14193004/iowa-state-cyclones-fire-paul-rhoads
Not great, but Iowa State is historically the worst or 2nd worst program in the Big 12. I'd like to see how far off the average for the Big 12 these are but don't have the time right now.
2009 - 34th in scoring, 99th in yards
2010 - 76th in scoring, 87th in yards
2011 - 82nd in scoring, 95th in yards
2012 - 38th in scoring, 96th in yards
2013 - 106th in scoring, 106th in yards
2014 - 117th in scoring, 128th in yards
2015 - 97th in scoring, 112th in yards
He had some good defenses at Pittsburgh in his time as DC there (2000-2007)
2000 - 29th in scoring' 30th in yards
2001 - 25th in scoring' 7th in yards
2002 - 14th in scoring' 12th in yards
2003 - 53rd in scoring 79th in yards
2004 - 45th in scoring 74th in yards
2005 - 30th in scoring 31st in yards
2006 - 60th in scoring 87th in yards
2007 - 43rd in scoring, 5th in yards
At Auburn
2008 - 15th in scoring, 29th in yards
Not as good as I thought he would be based on his reputation.
No clue, but better to pay the 4.5 Million buyout then the 12M or so left on his contract.
Amazing how much ISU spends on a coach. They could spend a 1/3 of that and get the same results.
ISU needs to look themselves in a mirror. ZERO how grown talent and if there is any, in any given year, they are going to Iowa. Any kid in TX or FL with any talent would better off staying home and play in the G5 than get their heads kicked in the P5.
ISU needs to look themselves in a mirror. ZERO how grown talent and if there is any, in any given year, they are going to Iowa. Any kid in TX or FL with any talent would better off staying home and play in the G5 than get their heads kicked in the P5.
Thanks for looking that up. It's kinda what I was thinking at ISU. It didn't have to be good but it wasn't even mediocre and that's a big red flag to me, especially cause it's his side of the ball. Not even a year in the top 65 once. The stats prior to ISU were good but when you go too far back I always wonder how would the ubiquity of the spread affect throughout college football recently affect those numbers.
I suppose he could be a good DC but if I had my choice I'd probably look to someone who has done well more recently.
Agree.
No matter who they get as HC it will be very difficult to sustain a winning football program because of recruiting.
Iowa has 2 state schools with a population of only about 3 million.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
You assume the search process hasnt started. I assume that it started when Flood was suspended.
Firing him now or then really does nothing either way but prevent the school from getting cold feet and keeping a coach they shouldn't after a run at the end of the season.
The problem with this is - if the guy walks, he wont be able to show consistent success. And while you might be replacing someone middling, its probably 50/50 at best that you would even get someone as good in the next search. I mean its not like they were paying him a ton - $2 million a year gets you basically a MAC coach of the month type.
But also - the ten year extension is way too long. At some point I agre, you just gotta say - hey - 5 years is all we can offer - if you can find someone willing to offer more money or a 6th year, so be it. Locking yourself into such a long contract is a bad idea for any coach.
This is true. He actually might not be a bad option for Rutgers. I often thought he could be successful at a school other than ISU.
With regards to Rhoads' specific contract as I said the money is fine, it's the length that's crazy. I said the same for Schiano when he was extended making the total contract length 10 years. It's way too long to foresee for just about any coach out there not named Meyer/Saban. Even championship coaches can go stale look at Miles now at LSU or Mack Brown at Texas.
Really the thing I harp about is financial flexibility, if you're not harming that and your ability to make a move if necessary than it somewhat can be overlooked, both the length and the amount. Regardless of that, if ends up being a large amount of dollars I find it to be a poor use of resources whether you can afford it or not. You'll always have to pay something when you fire a guy obviously but at least try to limit the downside rather than irrationally giving out big or long contracts.
Giving bumps, raises, extensions before proven consistent success is ok but it has to be within reason. You can't go off the deep end which I think a lot of ADs do and then you see them keeping guys around longer than they probably want because they gave out a contract that was too large or too long. If you give a sensible raise and extension and they still want to walk, then let them. More times than not you're not losing the next Meyer/Saban/Kelly. There has to be reasonable limits of how far you'll go without any proven consistency from a coach.
You know one name that occurred to me that might be good for ISU and could land there would be Brent Venables. I've thought he was a good coach and have brought his name up before but the only thing that cooled me on him was reports that he's a hothead and can be a prick. Didn't think we needed that here. Otherwise his resume both as a recruiter and defensive coach are very good.
He's from Kansas and played/coached at KSU so unless Snyder retires ISU might be a reasonable landing spot. He's been a DC for long time (10-15yrs) and you wonder if that hot head/prick issue could be a reason he hasn't been hired as a HC somewhere. Maybe a less desirable location in conference he's familiar with would take a chance on him.
He's from Kansas and played/coached at KSU so unless Snyder retires ISU might be a reasonable landing spot. He's been a DC for long time (10-15yrs) and you wonder if that hot head/prick issue could be a reason he hasn't been hired as a HC somewhere. Maybe a less desirable location in conference he's familiar with would take a chance on him.
The reason Rhoads got the long term extension is that the team outperformed one year and there was some buzz about him potentially getting poached by Texas or other bigger schools. Rhoads is from the Des Moines area (heart of ISU country), so he was the home-grown Iowa guy that they wanted to build the program around for the long-term. Obviously the team regressed the last few years and the contract and buyout look insane, but they would have rioted in Ames had he left before the contract extension.
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