OT- Minnesota's QB Situation is Bad- Starter Leaves Program

[Knight Shift]

Demry Croft no longer rowing the boat. Interesting comments about Fleck and Kill under story.
Croft's stats and Minnesota's QB situation look familiar.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...y-croft-minnesota-golden-gophers-transferring

"Croft set a team quarterback rushing record with 183 yards in a Nov. 11 win over Nebraska, but Minnesota (5-7) went scoreless in its final two games and Croft completed just 41 percent of his passes with four touchdowns and seven interceptions. He went 3-for-9 for 40 yards in the loss to Wisconsin."

David Gullickson ·
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Croft may not have been the answer. But he sees the boat has sprung a leak and no amount rowing is gonna make it to shore.
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Tim Walgren ·
School of Hard Knocks, The University of Life
What was all the P.J. Fleck hype about anyway? Who is the biggest clown in Minnesota?
Fleck or Franken?
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Brian Gibson ·
Eau Claire, Wisconsin
the problem is minnesota already went the mac route with kill and he never got them to heights like where Wisconsin is winning 10+ games every year. Personally, I think it was a bad choice to move to minnesota he shouldve stayed where he was

Robin Dee
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks the "row the boat" hype is unwarranted. He should have stayed at his old job...instead he went for the big bucks, and it's come back to bite him in the butt.
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http://www.twincities.com/2017/11/26/gophers-starting-quarterback-demry-croft-to-leave-program/

Croft would have been the Gophers most-experienced quarterback heading into 2018, with Tanner Morgan coming out of his redshirt freshman season and Seth Green, of East Ridge, having only played late in one game this year. The Gophers have been actively recruiting one, and possibly two, high school or junior college quarterbacks for its 2018 recruiting class.

 

[Knight Shift]

PJ is really modelling Minnesota after Rutgers?:

"After battling senior Conor Rhoda for the job, Croft started the second half of the season. He showed flashes of strong play with three touchdown passes in the fourth quarter against Michigan State on Oct. 14 and set a school QB rushing record with 183 yards against Nebraska on Nov. 11.
But with an inexperienced receiving corps that struggled to get open and dropped passes, Croft didn’t complete more than nine passes nor throw for more than 139 yards in any of those six games."

 

[KevH]

Yikes!

 

[Innermind]

Minnesota QB position will be fine.

TODAY 11-27, the Golden Gophers received a commit from Victor Viramontes out of California, the #1 ranked (247 composite) JUCO dual threat QB in the nation. Viramontes took his official visit to Minneapolis yesterday:

https://247sports.com/player/victor-viramontes-81179

 

[bigmatt718]

Minnesota QB position will be fine.

TODAY 11-27, the Golden Gophers received a commit from Victor Viramontes out of California, the #1 ranked (247 composite) JUCO dual threat QB in the nation. Viramontes took his official visit to Minneapolis yesterday:

https://247sports.com/player/victor-viramontes-81179

Definitely explains why Croft might have left.

 

[RutgersRockies]

I think Croft showed promise, but I definitely wouldn't read into a QB transfering. It seems the second-string QB transfers everywhere these days.

 

[knightfan7]

PJ is really modelling Minnesota after Rutgers?:

"After battling senior Conor Rhoda for the job, Croft started the second half of the season. He showed flashes of strong play with three touchdown passes in the fourth quarter against Michigan State on Oct. 14 and set a school QB rushing record with 183 yards against Nebraska on Nov. 11.
But with an inexperienced receiving corps that struggled to get open and dropped passes, Croft didn’t complete more than nine passes nor throw for more than 139 yards in any of those six games."

I saw the MSU game. I don't know if they were coasting with the big lead or had no scouting report on him but Croft made a pretty good defense look clueless how to stop him. One more possession and he probably would have beat them. It seemed to fall apart after that except for Nebraska.

 

[RUaMoose]

Minnesota QB position will be fine.

TODAY 11-27, the Golden Gophers received a commit from Victor Viramontes out of California, the #1 ranked (247 composite) JUCO dual threat QB in the nation. Viramontes took his official visit to Minneapolis yesterday:

https://247sports.com/player/victor-viramontes-81179

So there you have it, OP. When MN gets outscored 116-13 over a three game span and sets an all-time record for TOP in a game we can talk MN/Rutgers comparisons.

 

[Knight Shift]

So there you have it, OP. When MN gets outscored 116-13 over a three game span and sets an all-time record for TOP in a game we can talk MN/Rutgers comparisons.

OK, Mrs. Golden. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Let's see, against top B1G teams:
Wisconsin- lost 31-0
Northwestern- lost 31-0
Michigan- Lost 33-10
That's 95-10, or an 85 point deficit and ZERO points scored. I'm sure you will find some silver lining in that and dig another crap sandwich out of Rutgers' performance , because that's what you and others seem to enjoy doing--always looking at Rutgers in the worst light possible and making excuses and glaring lovingly at guys like PJ. Fleck. Minnesota lost to Maryland and Purdue, teams Rutgers beat.
Mr. Row the Boat is getting paid $3.5Million per year coming off a 9-4 prior season to go 5-7 and 2-7 in the neutered B1G West. Fabulous[jumpingsmile].

Maybe change your screen name to RUaFan?

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

trASH

 

[Knight Shift]

trASH

We understand. You don't like Coach Ash. Some (or maybe many) have concerns. But what does this post do to add value to the conversation?

Would you rather pay Row the Boat $3.5 Million? Other than leaving or getting fired, what are your standards for an acceptable performance for Ash?

 

[read option]

We understand. You don't like Coach Ash. Some (or maybe many) have concerns. But what does this post do to add value to the conversation?

Would you rather pay Row the Boat $3.5 Million? Other than leaving or getting fired, what are your standards for an acceptable performance for Ash?

Just a gut feeling, but Minn will be in a better place with Fleck than we are with Ash by the end of 2019.

 

[bac2therac]

their situation is bad, what does that say about ours?

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Just a gut feeling, but Minn will be in a better place with Fleck than we are with Ash by the end of 2019.

Agree

 

[rutgersguy1]

Just a gut feeling, but Minn will be in a better place with Fleck than we are with Ash by the end of 2019.

I just took a look at their schedule and they don't play a P5 school until 2021 with Colorado. Next few years are NM State, Miami of Ohio, Fresno State, Georgia Southern, BYU, South Dakota St.

But besides that I'll say it depends on how Ash/Kill and whomever else may come on board handle the offense. That's been my concern right from DM's hire and continues to be.

 

[Knight Shift]

their situation is bad, what does that say about ours?

It has not been great. As with the previous coach, I am willing to give a new coach four years before writing them off and calling for their head. Still don't know what fans expected this year with all freshman WRs, our best play maker hobbled/hurt (actually 2 best playmakers in that Harris was hurt the first half of the year and then moved to defense).

Ash made a major rookie error in hiring Drew and declaring he would run Drew's offense. He backed off that this year. He and Kill seemingly acknowledged and played around their weaknesses on offense. Next year, the offense needs to show some major improvement (it really can't regress further can it?).

I'm not an Ashie. Just looking at the situation realistically with the offensive roster we had with a lot of inexperience, and a QB roster that was not great. Maybe Lewis will grow and develop next year. It is shortsighted to write him off like some have done here after 22 passing attempts.

 

[Knight Shift]

I just took a look at their schedule and they don't play a P5 school until 2021 with Colorado. Next few years are NM State, Miami of Ohio, Fresno State, Georgia Southern, BYU, South Dakota St.

But besides that I'll say it depends on how Ash/Kill and whomever else may come on board handle the offense. That's been my concern right from DM's hire and continues to be.

Minnesota OOC (compared RU) 2018:
New Mexico (Kansas)
Fresno State (Buffalo)
Miami of Ohio (Texas State)

No reason that both RU and Minn should not win all three of those games.

2019:
South Dakota State (UMass)
Fresno State (Boston College)
Georgia Southern (Liberty)
RU's OOC schedule appears at this time to be more difficult, at least including the BC game.

 

[RMSko]

Just a gut feeling, but Minn will be in a better place with Fleck than we are with Ash by the end of 2019.

One thing you're missing is that if Fleck does well at Minnesota he'll be on the first train out of there. Ash may also leave RU if he does well, however, if he does and RU pays him appropriately, I think Ash is the type of guy that may stay and finish what he started, at least way more so than Fleck.

 

[RU#1fan]

Just a gut feeling, but Minn will be in a better place with Fleck than we are with Ash by the end of 2019.

Many on this Board deep down agree with that statement but will never admit it.

 

[knightfan7]

The only reason Minnesota will be perceived to be better is they don't have to play OSU, PSU, UM, and MSU every year. Next year Rutgers plays all 4 AND Wisconsin.

 

[G- RUnit]

Did we both Nebraska this year? Results?

 

[BlockR]

Demry Croft no longer rowing the boat. Interesting comments about Fleck and Kill under story.
Croft's stats and Minnesota's QB situation look familiar.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...y-croft-minnesota-golden-gophers-transferring

"Croft set a team quarterback rushing record with 183 yards in a Nov. 11 win over Nebraska, but Minnesota (5-7) went scoreless in its final two games and Croft completed just 41 percent of his passes with four touchdowns and seven interceptions. He went 3-for-9 for 40 yards in the loss to Wisconsin."

David Gullickson ·
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Croft may not have been the answer. But he sees the boat has sprung a leak and no amount rowing is gonna make it to shore.
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Tim Walgren ·
School of Hard Knocks, The University of Life
What was all the P.J. Fleck hype about anyway? Who is the biggest clown in Minnesota?
Fleck or Franken?
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Brian Gibson ·
Eau Claire, Wisconsin
the problem is minnesota already went the mac route with kill and he never got them to heights like where Wisconsin is winning 10+ games every year. Personally, I think it was a bad choice to move to minnesota he shouldve stayed where he was

Robin Dee
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks the "row the boat" hype is unwarranted. He should have stayed at his old job...instead he went for the big bucks, and it's come back to bite him in the butt.
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http://www.twincities.com/2017/11/26/gophers-starting-quarterback-demry-croft-to-leave-program/

Croft would have been the Gophers most-experienced quarterback heading into 2018, with Tanner Morgan coming out of his redshirt freshman season and Seth Green, of East Ridge, having only played late in one game this year. The Gophers have been actively recruiting one, and possibly two, high school or junior college quarterbacks for its 2018 recruiting class.

Your obession with PJ Fleck is strange almost COD like..
maybe you woud like to list the merry go round of QBs that have left the RU program in last say 2.5 years? Happens everywhere.

 

[knightfan7]

Did we both Nebraska this year? Results?

Did we both play Maryland and Purdue this year? Results?

Common opponents RU 3-3, Minn 2-4.

 

[Knight Shift]

Your obession with PJ Fleck is strange almost COD like..
maybe you woud like to list the merry go round of QBs that have left the RU program in last say 2.5 years? Happens everywhere.

The post was about the QB situation at Minnesota, sport, not about PJ Fleck until someone else brought it up. There were comments to the original story from fans who seem less than happy. And there was a slight dig at coaches going to Minnesota from MAC, including Kill.
Try reading comprehension, sport. I see you still Stand By Your Man.

 

[Knight Shift]

Did we both play Maryland and Purdue this year? Results?

Common opponents RU 3-3, Minn 2-4.

Someone will spin it against RU and for Minnesota with some ridiculous stat like total offense by RU against the common opponents or the number of punts. Just wait for it.

 

[RUskoolie]

I can only laugh at the clowns who bash Ash relentlessly for not rebuilding a program quick enough that Flood burned down to the ground, while giving Fleck a pass. A man who got hired to take over a 9 win team and inherited a Charmin soft schedule and won 5 games. Dude is a clown.

 

[Knight Shift]

I can only laugh at the clowns who bash Ash relentlessly for not rebuilding a program quick enough that Flood burned down to the ground, while giving Fleck a pass. A man who got hired to take over a 9 win team and inherited a Charmin soft schedule and won 5 games. Dude is a clown.

Ehh, I would not go that far. He did a solid job at WMU, and a lot of kids feed off his energy. IMO, he will get it done there, but the question is will he be able to win the West against Wisconsin, a resurgent Nebraska (yet to be seen) and Northwestern. But to compare the results with Minn's schedule in the B1G west to a team in the B1G east is difficult.

The same thing happened last year with Maryland and their cupcake schedule. What happened to them this year? Yeah, their QB situation, but they gave up a lot of points in several games. Wasn't their coach a DC at Michigan?

 

[BlockR]

The post was about the QB situation at Minnesota, sport, not about PJ Fleck until someone else brought it up. There were comments to the original story from fans who seem less than happy. And there was a slight dig at coaches going to Minnesota from MAC, including Kill.
Try reading comprehension, sport. I see you still Stand By Your Man.

you still have a COD obssesion with whatever Fleck does,your starting a thread about it,posting it,nobody else is

 

[G- RUnit]

You can’t ignore WMU has much as you try.

Arguably rape scandals at Minnesota just as bad as Flood nonsense. In some ways far more serious and team mutiny.

 

[knightfan7]

I can only laugh at the clowns who bash Ash relentlessly for not rebuilding a program quick enough that Flood burned down to the ground, while giving Fleck a pass. A man who got hired to take over a 9 win team and inherited a Charmin soft schedule and won 5 games. Dude is a clown.

Looking at the Top 15 Minn didn't play Wash, PSU, or OSU. RU didn't play Wisc. Top end of the schedule points to RU's being more difficult. We all know RU's issues heading into 2018. If the JUCO QB is the real deal Minny may have solved their QB issues but they had OL problems all year and will need to replace a number of players on D.

Next year's crossover games for Minn are at Maryland, OSU, and at Indiana. RU has at Wisc, NW, and Illinois so that's the 6 common opponents. Based on 2017 RU has the worst opponent in Illinois at home.

 

[rucoe89]

their situation is bad, what does that say about ours?

It’s not as bad as you are implying is the answer. MN had more depth talent than what Ash took over with. Ash and group are working to bridge that gap. Consider all the young kids that got experience this year, many with only a summer of college training camp. More talent coming next year. Most of all, Ash is not a gimmick. He may not be dynamic, but he seems to have won over his players, recruits and NJ and non-NJ coaches with his straight forwardness. Not expecting much until 2019, but after that I think folks better not sleep on this team.

 

[rucoe89]

The post was about the QB situation at Minnesota, sport, not about PJ Fleck until someone else brought it up. There were comments to the original story from fans who seem less than happy. And there was a slight dig at coaches going to Minnesota from MAC, including Kill.
Try reading comprehension, sport. I see you still Stand By Your Man.

you still have a COD obssesion with whatever Fleck does,your starting a thread about it,posting it,nobody else is

Certain types of fish can do that. :D :confused:

 

[koleszar]

Just a gut feeling, but Minn will be in a better place with Fleck than we are with Ash by the end of 2019.

Huh? They were already in a better spot when Captain Fleck decided to start rowing the boat. They were coming off a 9-4 (5-4 B1G)campaign. He took them to 5-7 (2-7 B1G) with an easier OOC schedule. There was nothing to fix, just keep the boat on course. Ash's boat was sunk and needed to be raised and dry docked before it could start sailing.

So if Captain Fleck gets them back to 9-4 in 2019 what exactly did he accomplish? That he could bring them back to where they were before him? Friggin Ash has already accomplished that and he's equaled the most wins we've had in the B1G.

 

[RUDead]

Captain Fleck!! :cool2:

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

We understand. You don't like Coach Ash. Some (or maybe many) have concerns. But what does this post do to add value to the conversation?

Would you rather pay Row the Boat $3.5 Million? Other than leaving or getting fired, what are your standards for an acceptable performance for Ash?

Fleck is overpaid.. for sure.

I never understood this thing where you have to pay the average of Big Ten coaches or you are insulting someone. You pay people what they deserve based on experience and market forces. Fleck's agent can demand anything he wants.. but you do not have to pay it. You can say NO and move on.

You can tell a young coaching target what Ray Rice was told.. take the contract offered and earn a big increase in your next contract. Or load it up with incentives.. few of which would have been reached this year for Fleck.

I wonder what Minnesota thought they could get Fleck for when they first thought of targeting him... his first contract at WMU was about $400K.. and that doubled at the end of 2014.

I would have thought no more than 3X that $800K should have been sufficient.. $2.5M..

 

[rutgersguy1]

Huh? They were already in a better spot when Captain Fleck decided to start rowing the boat. They were coming off a 9-4 (5-4 B1G)campaign. He took them to 5-7 (2-7 B1G) with an easier OOC schedule. There was nothing to fix, just keep the boat on course. Ash's boat was sunk and needed to be raised and dry docked before it could start sailing.

So if Captain Fleck gets them back to 9-4 in 2019 what exactly did he accomplish? That he could bring them back to where they were before him? Friggin Ash has already accomplished that and he's equaled the most wins we've had in the B1G.

I know people always refer just to the last year but I always refer to 3 out of the last 4 years with regards to Minnesota because it gives a fuller picture. It was 3 8+ win seasons and 3 .500+ seasons in conference so that to me is the status quo he has to reach. If he surpasses that and gets double digit wins and wins the west then he's built on what was there.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Fleck is overpaid.. for sure.

I never understood this thing where you have to pay the average of Big Ten coaches or you are insulting someone. You pay people what they deserve based on experience and market forces. Fleck's agent can demand anything he wants.. but you do not have to pay it. You can say NO and move on.

You can tell a young coaching target what Ray Rice was told.. take the contract offered and earn a big increase in your next contract. Or load it up with incentives.. few of which would have been reached this year for Fleck.

I wonder what Minnesota thought they could get Fleck for when they first thought of targeting him... his first contract at WMU was about $400K.. and that doubled at the end of 2014.

I would have thought no more than 3X that $800K should have been sufficient.. $2.5M..

I do think he's overpaid but to some degree that's just the pay scale in my head lol. 3M+ salaries are becoming more pedestrian these days not premium.

Fleck got it, Brohm got it, Durkin got and I bet if we had been on a full B10 budget for some time Ash would have got it too. He's not getting less because he was any worse a candidate when he was hired, he's getting less because we don't have as much money but as candidates they're all about the same and unproven on this level. Kirby Smart is another one with 3M+ when he was hired.

ISU just bumped Campbell up to that 3M+ level with his new contract, he was on par with Ash before that.