OT: NIL Donor Fatigue

[cicero grimes]

Unlike politicians, who once bought usually stay bought until the next election, the NIL kids can take the money and then hit the transfer portal without ever seeing the field like Ewers did at Ohio St.
The model to me makes no sense. A kid can enroll in January, get paid and then decide after fall practice to transfer in August or September and opt out for the remainder of the season. Aside from vanity for the donor, how is this money well spent?

 

[RUScrew85]

Unlike politicians, who once bought usually stay bought until the next election, the NIL kids can take the money and then hit the transfer portal without ever seeing the field like Ewers did at Ohio St.
The model to me makes no sense. A kid can enroll in January, get paid and then decide after fall practice to transfer in August or September and opt out for the remainder of the season. Aside from vanity for the donor, how is this money well spent?

Exactly. I'm not paying for uncommitted mercenaries. Aw hell I'm not paying for committed mercenaries either.

 

[Knight Shift]

What donor fatigue means as NIL enters its third year of impacting college sports

Donor fatigue is plaguing the NIL space. Athletic departments need to find hidden donors. Collectives need to create new revenue streams.

www.on3.com

Finally got time to read the article. Some quotes and thoughts:

“Listen, you want to give $2, $3, $4 million dollars for a building, your name is on a building. You get a plaque. It’s there forever. It doesn’t really work that way with athletes.”
--I have voiced this issue in the past. It's less about the name on the building or the plaque, which is nice, but seeing a tangible, lasting result of your donation. A donation to attract a star recruit is ephemeral and is at best a 50/50 proposition for seeing a tangible positive result and ephemeral, lasting for less than a year to up to 5 years.

"But the emergence of collectives has also created and attracted a type of non-traditional donor who relishes accessing student-athletes more directly. . "
--Have zero interest in access. Even at the pro level, many of us couldn't care less about meeting/greeting an athlete. But some people really enjoy this access.

"Collectives are starting to figure out ways to reward donors with items or experiences they value. Grove Collective athletes will start participating in monthly eSports tournaments. . . "
--Less than zero interest in something like this, but for some donors this might be interesting.

"Donors are stretched thin, often with their enthusiasm fickle, ebbing and flowing with the weekly Top 25 poll."
--Oh, the worries of the privileged top 25 teams. Then there are the donors of the programs like Indiana, Rutgers and Purdue, who feel like this trying to keep up with the top of the pack:

 

[retired711]

What is the legislative intervention people thinks will solve everything?

A school salary cap? Of how much?
$1m? Less? More?

No. Rather the idea is to get boosters out of the NIL process. NIL gives an athlete the opportunity to profit off his image rather than the school or the NCAA doing so, for instance, by licensing an athlete's image to a video sports game. NIL isn't supposed to be a recruiting tool.

 

[Knight Shift]

No. Rather the idea is to get boosters out of the NIL process. NIL gives an athlete the opportunity to profit off his image rather than the school or the NCAA doing so, for instance, by licensing an athlete's image to a video sports game. NIL isn't supposed to be a recruiting tool.

It is odd how what is going on with NIL has, except for limited cases, little to do with an athlete having the opportunity to profit off his image.

 

[RUScrew85]

Finally got time to read the article. Some quotes and thoughts:

“Listen, you want to give $2, $3, $4 million dollars for a building, your name is on a building. You get a plaque. It’s there forever. It doesn’t really work that way with athletes.”
--I have voiced this issue in the past. It's less about the name on the building or the plaque, which is nice, but seeing a tangible, lasting result of your donation. A donation to attract a star recruit is ephemeral and is at best a 50/50 proposition for seeing a tangible positive result and ephemeral, lasting for less than a year to up to 5 years.

"But the emergence of collectives has also created and attracted a type of non-traditional donor who relishes accessing student-athletes more directly. . "
--Have zero interest in access. Even at the pro level, many of us couldn't care less about meeting/greeting an athlete. But some people really enjoy this access.

"Collectives are starting to figure out ways to reward donors with items or experiences they value. Grove Collective athletes will start participating in monthly eSports tournaments. . . "
--Less than zero interest in something like this, but for some donors this might be interesting.

"Donors are stretched thin, often with their enthusiasm fickle, ebbing and flowing with the weekly Top 25 poll."
--Oh, the worries of the privileged top 25 teams. Then there are the donors of the programs like Indiana, Rutgers and Purdue, who feel like this trying to keep up with the top of the pack:

Agree 100%.

 

[retired711]

It is odd how what is going on with NIL has, except for limited cases, little to do with an athlete having the opportunity to profit off his image.

The top women gymnasts aren't doing badly, to put it mildly. https://frontofficesports.com/ncaa-gymnasts-have-top-nil-earning-potential/ See, for instance, this deal that Olivia Dunne has made. https://www.marca.com/en/ncaa/2023/06/21/649371c846163fa1b88b45b2.html Women basketball stars are also doing OK. https://justwomenssports.com/reads/angel-reese-lsu-womens-basketball-nil-ncaa-tournament-2023/ As always, sex sells.

 

[yessir321]

So when Bowling Green and Utah hired him he was up-and-coming.

Yes actually. And I don’t like agreeing with Al but Meyer was up and coming at that point.

He’s also damaged goods at this point that NO ONE wants.

 

[rurichdog]

It is odd how what is going on with NIL has, except for limited cases, little to do with an athlete having the opportunity to profit off his image.

The opportunity exists, but it is much easier to transfer and just collect mailbox money.

 

[RUScrew85]

It is odd how what is going on with NIL has, except for limited cases, little to do with an athlete having the opportunity to profit off his image.

Yeah. How bout that.

 

[NickRU714]

It is odd how what is going on with NIL has, except for limited cases, little to do with an athlete having the opportunity to profit off his image.

What do you mean?

If a local car dealership hires Ace Bailey to advertise or tweet about them, isn't that him profiting off his image as an elite basketball player?
That USC WR transfer tweeted about United Airlines. Is he getting paid to tweet about them if he isn't a high level athlete?

Is it just because people aren't seeing these promotions so they don't exist?

Would getting video game money be more visible? Sure. But the NCAA and schools don't want to share any money they get so you'll never see publicly like that.

 

[NickRU714]

Finally got time to read the article. Some quotes and thoughts:

“Listen, you want to give $2, $3, $4 million dollars for a building, your name is on a building. You get a plaque. It’s there forever. It doesn’t really work that way with athletes.”
--I have voiced this issue in the past. It's less about the name on the building or the plaque, which is nice, but seeing a tangible, lasting result of your donation. A donation to attract a star recruit is ephemeral and is at best a 50/50 proposition for seeing a tangible positive result and ephemeral, lasting for less than a year to up to 5 years.

"But the emergence of collectives has also created and attracted a type of non-traditional donor who relishes accessing student-athletes more directly. . "
--Have zero interest in access. Even at the pro level, many of us couldn't care less about meeting/greeting an athlete. But some people really enjoy this access.

"Collectives are starting to figure out ways to reward donors with items or experiences they value. Grove Collective athletes will start participating in monthly eSports tournaments. . . "
--Less than zero interest in something like this, but for some donors this might be interesting.

"Donors are stretched thin, often with their enthusiasm fickle, ebbing and flowing with the weekly Top 25 poll."
--Oh, the worries of the privileged top 25 teams. Then there are the donors of the programs like Indiana, Rutgers and Purdue, who feel like this trying to keep up with the top of the pack:

Don't people pay for the Court Club just to fawn over access to the coaching staff.
I would consider that equally as unappealing as meeting players.

An easy argument could be made that having your name on a weight room is much further removed from on field results than contributing to the recruitment of a player on the field.
You can literally watch Wimsatt throw a TD (hypothetically..... 🤮 ). Your not watching athletes lift weights. You have no actual evidence of how well that building is being used or how it contributed to the teams results.

 

[Knight Shift]

What do you mean?

If a local car dealership hires Ace Bailey to advertise or tweet about them, isn't that him profiting off his image as an elite basketball player?
That USC WR transfer tweeted about United Airlines. Is he getting paid to tweet about them if he isn't a high level athlete?

Is it just because people aren't seeing these promotions so they don't exist?

Would getting video game money be more visible? Sure. But the NCAA and schools don't want to share any money they get so you'll never see publicly like that.

No, unless we are missing them, it seems that the promotions SEEM very limited, and the bulk of NIL SEEMS to revolve around handing players bags of money for nothing. Someone should write a song called Money For Nothing.

I realize these promotions for some athletes exist, but they appear to be limited. One of the best ones was that kid who went to Nebraska with the first name DeColdest got an HVAC deal. Looks like Nebraska cooled on DeColdest after he hurt his knee, which is kind of cold of them. He transferred to Louisiana Tech, but there should be more HVAC NIL opportunities in Louisiana where it is a bit warmer.

In my next life, I'm going to marry an Olympic athlete, and name our children Adidas, Nike and Champion. I have a plan, and my kids are gonna be rich when they are young and get PAID.

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[RUScrew85]

No, unless we are missing them, it seems that the promotions SEEM very limited, and the bulk of NIL SEEMS to revolve around handing players bags of money for nothing. Someone should write a song called Money For Nothing.

I realize these promotions for some athletes exist, but they appear to be limited. One of the best ones was that kid who went to Nebraska with the first name DeColdest got an HVAC deal. Looks like Nebraska cooled on DeColdest after he hurt his knee, which is kind of cold of them. He transferred to Louisiana Tech, but there should be more HVAC NIL opportunities in Louisiana where it is a bit warmer.

In my next life, I'm going to marry an Olympic athlete, and name our children Adidas, Nike and Champion. I have a plan, and my kids are gonna be rich when they are young and get PAID.

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DeColdest? LOLOLOL. Hysterical.

 

[Knight Shift]

DeColdest? LOLOLOL. Hysterical.

That is not a joke. And damn, hope the "mom" in that commercial got paid. She could do commercials for Hot Topic.

 

[RUScrew85]

That is not a joke. And damn, hope the "mom" in that commercial got paid. She could do commercials for Hot Topic.

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SMH

 

[RU4Real]

That is not a joke. And damn, hope the "mom" in that commercial got paid. She could do commercials for Hot Topic.

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Sweet Jesus...

We're doomed.

 

[LotusAggressor]

What is the legislative intervention people thinks will solve everything?

A school salary cap? Of how much?
$1m? Less? More?

The legislative intervention that will "solve everything" is lobbying and bribing legislators at the state and federal level with the eventual goal of reversing this. That's the pool the new NCAA President swims in. He's a politician. He won't succeed because the toothpaste is already out of the tube. There's a looming clash between the NCAA and the elite schools that the NCAA will lose.

 

[rutgersguy1]

 

[Rutgers NJ]

The rich get richer, Rutgers just falls further and further behind.NIL will ruin college sports.

 

[wheezer]

Much of Our alumni base just isn’t onboard with NIL. We raised money to build an APC on Livingston. We will raise the money for the football facility.

for some fans,
the original thoughts about NIL were that players would make a few bucks with endorsements, easing their path through college

others saw what a landmine it would become, since NIL came with basically no restrictions

anyway, I am not in favor of the NIL as it stands now, nor have I felt compelled to contribute....the expense of season tickets in bb and fb, the need to donate additionally for a particular parking lot, etc, is enough expense per year as I figure it

I also think that RU will not compete well in the NIL environment for the long term..... like many other middle of the road teams, the NIL fatigue will set in rapidly....

I do make one exception here, the opportunity to land the number one and two players in the country is too good to pass up, if it can be done....and if THAT is a matter of money, we should go for it as best we can

but, the chance of getting those two players was NOT set up by NIL, it is and was, because those two players appreciate our school and program aside from that factor.....

if we are the players favorite outside of the NIL factor, we cannot let NIL be the reason not to get them

the effort should be made, will be made, because it is the rare exception for a program such as RU

 

[WhoRU?]

Bagmen were a competitive advantage when it was against the rules. Now that everyone can do it the market will establish an equilibrium…. And many of the bagmen will lose interest because their 100k won’t go nearly as far. At some point, it will become an advertising expense for businesses (as the name implies).

 

[rutgersguy1]