NJ University Requires All Employees To Be Vaccinated Or Face Termination
On Monday, Rutgers told all of its employees, from professors to dining hall staff, they must be vaccinated by Dec. 8 or risk termination.
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Are they mandating their staff to get healthy as well? For people to stop eating like crap and get off their butts and move?
That needs to be mandated too.
#IStillHaveAntibodies
My body is doing what it was made to do.
Yeah Baby!
That needs to be mandated too.
#IStillHaveAntibodies
My body is doing what it was made to do.
Yeah Baby!
Poor analogy. Someone's fat ass isn't going to get you or I sick and die.
Public employees with no religious exemption? Biden's executive order may well meet the same fate as Trump's early 1st year order denying visa's to Muslim's when it gets to the USSC. Twice a week testing, hell, three times a week would pass muster. People who had worn "I'm atheist and I'm proud" badge probably could be challenged. I don't think this will pass judicial review.
Written by a twice vaxxed poster who will get a booster when 6 months has passed after Jab 2
Written by a twice vaxxed poster who will get a booster when 6 months has passed after Jab 2
Actually, companies are kinda sorta doing that these days. Not mandating, per-se, but offering large discounts on employee premiums for doing wellness stuff. Makes sense for the companies doing it, and their employees, and the insurance companies.
But eating right and getting regular checkups is an individual thing - if we fail to do those healthy things and, say, become hypertensive or diabetic, we're not putting others at risk of exposure to those things, right?
Whereas, in the case of Covid-19, a mandate is appropriate in many circumstances because it's not just us choosing to take care of ourselves (or not), it's also about taking care of our coworkers, or patients, or students, etc. whom we put at greater risk of a deadly infection by going unvaccinated.
And in a more general sense, it's about trying to lower the potential for new and more deadly variants which benefits us all.
And, as always with the mandates, people are free to not get vaccinated. They just aren't free to decide to increase the risk of infection for others.
Last I looked vaccinated people spread the virus also.
Both are fine under the right circumstances.
I would object to a mandate for the general population. Because you can't quit the general population.
But for people who regularly come into contact with students and other faculty, or with patients or other caregivers, they always have the right to refuse the vaccine, but they do not have the right to increase the risks of everybody at work around them.
That's why it's expressed as increased risk. You have the right to increase your own risk of serious illness and death. You do not have the right to increase my risk.
What part of that don't you understand?
I'm sure you know that vaccinated people are more likely to spread the virus than the unvaccinated. So please stop with the bad faith posts.
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agreed.
especially as the coaching staff goes to potential recruit homes where they may have contact with elderly family members or immune compromised ones.
It's a pretty selfish and immoral decision to NOT get vaccinated and then continue to interact with people outside your immediate family. You'd have to be a sociopath/psychopath to do this (I do know there are some on this board).
That seems to be the whole problem with those fighting the vax. They like to think/argue/delude themselves that it's solely to protect the receiver, and therefore they don't need it because they are so healthy and awesome. But it's not meant solely to protect the receiver, nor have vaccines ever been. Which is why this one is neither the first nor last to be mandated.
The ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated COVID patients in the ICU is 10:1 at most hospitals. #justgethevaccinestupid
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You have it backwards. Your typo will become an Internet “fact” for the ill-informed.
One or two of the pro-pandemic board zombies have already posted it on Twitter 😄
Last I looked there are still many mass shootings in Texas (waaay more than NJ by any measure). They have open and conceal carry laws.
see how this works?
Not sure that there is fully vetted data to support "increased risk." See link below.
You used unvaccinated twice.
In any event, with Delta, things are not so simple.
That said, however, being vaccinated is a good thing to do.
Study: Fully vaccinated people with "breakthrough" COVID Delta infections carry as much virus as the unvaccinated
Oxford research indicates people who catch the Delta variant despite vaccination may pose a significant infection risk, even though they're unlikely to get seriously ill.
www.cbsnews.com
Of course you're all ok with starting mandatory flu vaccines going forward now too, right? Everybody getting temps taken or scanned walking thru the office doors. Metal detecting too as guns kill people.
Imagine the uproar if Aids testing was required years ago. Shocking how "my body my choice" only works in some circumstances.
I'm boosted..not anti vax .
Not sure that there is fully vetted data to support "increased risk." See link below.
You used unvaccinated twice.
In any event, with Delta, things are not so simple.
That said, however, being vaccinated is a good thing to do.
Study: Fully vaccinated people with "breakthrough" COVID Delta infections carry as much virus as the unvaccinated
Oxford research indicates people who catch the Delta variant despite vaccination may pose a significant infection risk, even though they're unlikely to get seriously ill.
Three of the things in article that need to be considered:
>The researchers stressed that vaccination still offers good protection against catching the disease in the first place, and protects against getting seriously ill with it.<
>"The fact that they [fully vaccinated people] can have high levels of virus suggests that people who aren't yet vaccinated may not be as protected from the Delta variant as we hoped," Walker told the British newspaper. "It comes back to this concept of herd immunity, and the hope that the unvaccinated could be protected if we could vaccinate enough people. But I suspect the higher levels of the virus in vaccinated people are consistent with the fact that unvaccinated people are still going to be at high risk."<
>The message from Walker and her team at Oxford was clear: Vaccination remains the best way to protect against infection, and certainly against serious illness or hospitalization with COVID-19, including the Delta variant.<
We are talking about Delta and transmission. And note what I said about getting vaccinated.
Have railed against two things since the beginning. The messaging coming out of the government has been terribly muddled and inconsistent from the beginning of the pandemic. The inconsistent and muddled messaging does not help with vaccine hesitancy and mistrust of the government, especially among groups who have a history of being harmed by the government. It is not nice or fair to use words like "stupid."
Going to guess that at least half of your intubated patients were overweight and/or had diabetes. And that your hospital probably pushes a breakfast of cornflakes, toast, bagels, orange juice, and serves crackers with soup. Sorry for the whataboutism/pivot, but many people could be doing this a lot better by getting better messaging, causing less distrust, then getting vaccines, and perhaps focusing on metabolic health.
If you have a good nurse you don't even feel the jab. Anyone opposed to vaccine at this point is just grandstanding. It's honestly embarrassing.
What does the phrase “risk being fired mean”?
Are there carve outs in the order for elite individuals who won’t face termination?
Are there carve outs in the order for elite individuals who won’t face termination?
Good! I thought this was already mandated for all university staff but if not then good that they are doing it. And I don’t believe in religious exemptions they are BS. The only exemptions should be for a legitimate medical reason such as an allergy.
I am OK with mandatory flu vaccines if it came to that. Many schools and day care centers do require flu vaccines. If a legitimate medical exemptions then fine but otherwise get vaccinated. Vaccines are the single greatest way to prevent the spread of communicable diseases. I’m sure one could apply the my body my choice to all of the Texans who think that that there anti abortion stance is so wonderful. What happened to choice in that situation? Organized religion across the board is a joke and a curse with their BS.
Didn't you just drink all weekend and have pizza for 3 days???
The math and science parts.
Vaccines aren’t a guarantee. Just as requiring three years each of math and science to graduate high school doesn’t ensure that graduates will be able to understand simple math and science concepts later in life.
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