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OT: Rutgers To Offer Aerospace Engineering Degree

How would this be different from the current Mech E degree with aerospace track focus?
 
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One of those features will be unmanned aircraft systems, often referred to as drones, which have significant growth potential for uses such as pipeline inspection, search-and-rescue, weather monitoring and farming. The School of Engineering recently hired Xiaoli Bai, a new faculty member who is an expert in that field, and has additional hires planned to expand and complement expertise in the area, he noted. Rutgers is also involved in the Mid-Atlantic Aviation Partnership, a university consortium conducting research for the Federal Aviation Administration to integrate unmanned aircraft into the nation’s airspace.

“The mechanical engineering degree provides a broad footprint of expertise, which is attractive to many industries,” said Cuitino. “But for those who really would like an aerospace engineering degree, they can now get it here.”
 
My cousin went to embry riddle in Arizona for aerospace engineering, would have been nice to have had him stay in NJ.,
 
The school of engineering is on the right path to success but we are no where near the caliber of Embry Riddle...although it is one of the most expensive programs out there

My cousin went to embry riddle in Arizona for aerospace engineering, would have been nice to have had him stay in NJ.,

The odd thing about the SOE is that they touted their undegrad program as both Mech & Aero which pissed some people off (<--- ME)
How would this be different from the current Mech E degree with aerospace track focus?
 
I hope we can some day catch up to the B1G AE powerhouses like Purdue, TTFP, Michigan, Maryland, Minn, Illinois. Need a Master's and PhD program in AE for that.
 
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I thought the dean of engineering at RU that came from Purdue was the head of the Aeronautical Department at Purdue. Also, wrote the commercial airline procedures for air craft used to haul passengers
 
You can also focus on Drone and that is awesome. This is the type of degree I would have been all over when I was younger.. if I didn't suck at math.
 
This is awesome news. To bad it wasn't done back in the 80's or 90's. The first US Satellites were developed here in NJ by RCA....and up until the mid 90's they (RCA which was bought by GE and later merged into Martin Marietta and now part of Lockheed Martin) were the global leaders in Satellites. They had a tremendous commercial business as well as Civil and government programs. All of that has left NJ over the years. Maybe with this move, NJ can retain the remaining parts of the industry that still remain here and build upon it.
 
This is awesome news. To bad it wasn't done back in the 80's or 90's. The first US Satellites were developed here in NJ by RCA....and up until the mid 90's they (RCA which was bought by GE and later merged into Martin Marietta and now part of Lockheed Martin) were the global leaders in Satellites. They had a tremendous commercial business as well as Civil and government programs. All of that has left NJ over the years. Maybe with this move, NJ can retain the remaining parts of the industry that still remain here and build upon it.

I was always curious why Lockheed moved a lot of that stuff away, especially to Sunnyvale where you figured operating costs would be higher....I'm assuming it came down to politics and taxes??
 
This is awesome news. To bad it wasn't done back in the 80's or 90's. The first US Satellites were developed here in NJ by RCA....and up until the mid 90's they (RCA which was bought by GE and later merged into Martin Marietta and now part of Lockheed Martin) were the global leaders in Satellites. They had a tremendous commercial business as well as Civil and government programs. All of that has left NJ over the years. Maybe with this move, NJ can retain the remaining parts of the industry that still remain here and build upon it.

The Army Signal Corps Labs at Fort Monmouth had a big role in developing both the early weather and communications satellites.
 
I was always curious why Lockheed moved a lot of that stuff away, especially to Sunnyvale where you figured operating costs would be higher....I'm assuming it came down to politics and taxes??
From what I understand...It was strictly company politics. First a little history...GE aerospace (for the most part) merged into Martin Marietta after some discussions between Norm Augustine and 'Neutron' Jack Welch. Rumor was that Jack initially wanted to abdorb Martin Marietta into GE but decided long term to go the path Norm suggested would be better for GE. Shortly after that merger Lockheed's Dan Tellup (?) and Norm A got together and agreed to a mega merger forming Lockheed Martin where Dan and Norm were Co CEOs until I think it was that Dan retired.

Now the reasoning on the consolidation and locations. Lockheed Martin now had Satellite companies in Sunnyvale (Lockheed), Denver (Martin Marietta), East Windsor NJ (RCA) and Valley Forge (GE). Sunnyvale had a lot of empty buildings and overhead was high. They were not known for commercial sats but rather civil/govt/defense. Denver was known for civil/govt/defense. NJ was known for Commercial with a good amount of civil/weather. V Forge for civil/govt/defense. Although NJ was growing and a low overhead and even expanding w new buildings the rumor was that Dan came from Sunnyvale and wanted to leave that site open given the spare capacity could be used for assembly of all the new projected Commercial business shifted from NJ. Norm was from Denver and wanted that site to remain for civil/govt/defense. So, they made a joint decision and shifted away from NJ and V Forge. It was always believed by those from NJ that Sunnyvale could never compete in Commercial due to its overhead even with the next generation (at the time) models developed that simplified selection based on reqts and manufacturing. This seemed to be true when Lock Mart decided to build out Newtown Pa, previously established as a small center of excellence they needed to maintain due to staff / knowledge needs. The Pa site expanded but they had already lost to much of their knowledgeable Commercial staff and only a limited number came back. More recently they opted to begin to close the site given a lack of commercial contracts.

I don't know how much of this is all rumor vs reality but is based on some real insight. Sorry for the long post
 
The Army Signal Corps Labs at Fort Monmouth had a big role in developing both the early weather and communications satellites.
The industry as a whole in NJ drove a lot of business in NJ. There was a major trickle down effect to smaller & mid size engineering companies throughout the state. Monmouth area being one of its hotbeds. RCA & even GE management treated the staff well. There was a lot of pride and unity in the staff. It was like a big family. Nobody wanted to let the other person down. If someone needed help and it was 3am, a phone call and someone would come in or stay up all night to help figure out and resolve a problem the right way. We all challenged each other and also looked at ways to continuously improve the design of the engineering models including research of new technologies.
 
The industry as a whole in NJ drove a lot of business in NJ. There was a major trickle down effect to smaller & mid size engineering companies throughout the state. Monmouth area being one of its hotbeds. RCA & even GE management treated the staff well. There was a lot of pride and unity in the staff. It was like a big family. Nobody wanted to let the other person down. If someone needed help and it was 3am, a phone call and someone would come in or stay up all night to help figure out and resolve a problem the right way. We all challenged each other and also looked at ways to continuously improve the design of the engineering models including research of new technologies.

Was all of this once part of Bell Laboratories??
 
Nope although AT&T / Bell Labs was the company that had the 1st commercial satellite, it was RCA that designed and built it for them. Think of it in a similar sense to NASA. NASA doesn't design / build / launch their own satellites. They typically provide very high level requirements of what they want the satellite to do for them. It then goes out to bid / RFP, etc. So, I believe Bell Labs expended quite a few resources in what they wanted and heavily involved in requirements, design reviews, etc. In later satellite generations, Such customers of the industry may have played more engineering role in the payload, i.e. The engineering of communications equipment to fly on the satellites.
 
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Nope although AT&T / Bell Labs was the company that had the 1st commercial satellite, it was RCA that designed and built it for them. Think of it in a similar sense to NASA. NASA doesn't design / build / launch their own satellites. They typically provide very high level requirements of what they want the satellite to do for them. It then goes out to bid / RFP, etc. So, I believe Bell Labs expended quite a few resources in what they wanted and heavily involved in requirements, design reviews, etc. In later satellite generations, Such customers of the industry may have played more engineering role in the payload, i.e. The engineering of communications equipment to fly on the satellites.

Geez that's crazy to think about the amount of top-tier engineering corporations that were in Jersey and also the amount of innovation that came out of this state...sad to see a lot that gone. We got pharma at least haha

I actually became a NASA contractor last year after graduating from SOE... I was very shocked to see how little design of hardware NASA conducted...its exactly how you described...Flow down of requirements at component, subsystem and system levels
 
Is this just a clever move to get more fifth year transfers who don't have aeronautical engineering in their school?

Would that make sense if RU is offering only an AE BS? What if you were never on a AE track in the school you transfer from, could you get all your AE courses in and still graduate in a fifth year or beyond?

A related question: This press release doesn't mention anything about Masters and PhD degrees being offered. I can't see any AE faculty doing AE research with only undergrads helping out. You gotta have PhD candidates, postdocs and research assistants for research, right? Or are they expecting to use the ME side of the department? The Dept Chair mentions that AE BS degree will now put Rutgers on par with other B1G schools with AE programs, yet all those schools offer both undergrad and grad AE degrees. Or does establishing grad degree programs take more time than undergrad programs?
 
Would that make sense if RU is offering only an AE BS? What if you were never on a AE track in the school you transfer from, could you get all your AE courses in and still graduate in a fifth year or beyond?

A related question: This press release doesn't mention anything about Masters and PhD degrees being offered. I can't see any AE faculty doing AE research with only undergrads helping out. You gotta have PhD candidates, postdocs and research assistants for research, right? Or are they expecting to use the ME side of the department? The Dept Chair mentions that AE BS degree will now put Rutgers on par with other B1G schools with AE programs, yet all those schools offer both undergrad and grad AE degrees. Or does establishing grad degree programs take more time than undergrad programs?

http://www.newbrunswick.rutgers.edu/about/national-rankings

^According to that we do have a grad program in AE and its ranked 28th?!
 
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Would that make sense if RU is offering only an AE BS? What if you were never on a AE track in the school you transfer from, could you get all your AE courses in and still graduate in a fifth year or beyond?

A related question: This press release doesn't mention anything about Masters and PhD degrees being offered. I can't see any AE faculty doing AE research with only undergrads helping out. You gotta have PhD candidates, postdocs and research assistants for research, right? Or are they expecting to use the ME side of the department? The Dept Chair mentions that AE BS degree will now put Rutgers on par with other B1G schools with AE programs, yet all those schools offer both undergrad and grad AE degrees. Or does establishing grad degree programs take more time than undergrad programs?
I was kidding.
 
nvm got my answer here

One of those features will be unmanned aircraft systems, often referred to as drones, which have significant growth potential for uses such as pipeline inspection, search-and-rescue, weather monitoring and farming. The School of Engineering recently hired Xiaoli Bai, a new faculty member who is an expert in that field, and has additional hires planned to expand and complement expertise in the area, he noted. Rutgers is also involved in the Mid-Atlantic Aviation Partnership, a university consortium conducting research for the Federal Aviation Administration to integrate unmanned aircraft into the nation’s airspace.

“The mechanical engineering degree provides a broad footprint of expertise, which is attractive to many industries,” said Cuitino. “But for those who really would like an aerospace engineering degree, they can now get it here.”

Ummm Maryland has had one for a LONG time.

http://www.aero.umd.edu/
 
Bell Labs did a lot of defense work starting with WWI through the Cold War. Much was communications but some you might not expect, like anti aircraft missiles.
"In March 1955, as part of its air defense research, the Army commissioned Bell Telephone Laboratories, the research and development branch of the Western Electric Company, to examine the prospects for developing a strategic ABM system. Bell Labs had developed the first generation nonnuclear Nike I (Ajax) antiaircraft surfaceto-air missile (SAM) and was developing a second generation nuclear-armed Nike B (Hercules) SAM."

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Nike
 
FWIW I'm doing Mechanical/Aerospace Engineering and got into both Rutgers and Purdue for that, and chose RU.
 
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Shortly after Julie H. was hired,she mentioned something about Rutgers looking into creating a four-year Education degree at Rutgers. Not only would this increase the number of Rutgers grads teaching in New Jersey schools,but some of them would also be coaches in various sports which should help some in getting New Jersey athletes to go to their own university. Have any of you heard any movement on the four-year Education degree ?
 
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