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I simply never have, nor ever will, understood hazing.
1) as someone who was hazed when hazing was the norm, honestly, I'd guess 99.9999999% of hazing rituals never come close to shit like this (I could tell you some stories that SUCKED, but, never harmed me nor had me in harm's way...)
2) that being said....every now-and-then you hear a bad story....and this is BADDDDD. Ooooof. So happen it was them and not us.
Don’t get the sexual nature of these rituals. Was in a locker room from the time I could walk until college and beyond. Never had the inclination to do any of this shit
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Exclusive | Seton Hall pitcher tells horrifying tale of brutal hazing at renowned baseball program, which allegedly included beatings, forced sex acts
A bombshell suit alleges the renowned Division I baseball program is a hotbed of sicko sex hazing, complete with nude and violent wrestling, according to the suit, filed in Long Island federal cour…
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Exclusive | Seton Hall pitcher tells horrifying tale of brutal hazing at renowned baseball program, which allegedly included beatings, forced sex acts
A bombshell suit alleges the renowned Division I baseball program is a hotbed of sicko sex hazing, complete with nude and violent wrestling, according to the suit, filed in Long Island federal cour…
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There is vindictive hazing, and there is hazing that can be funny, challenging, and non threatening
When I went to college I had no intention of joining a fraternity
Going through pledging and the fo!lowing, brotherhood was rewarding
I still hang with four of my brothers, 54 years later
Does the Post hire 12 year olds to write their articles these days? So much to critique in the writing here, but I’ll just choose this quote:
“The bombshell suit alleges the renowned Division I baseball program — which rules the NCAA and churns out all-stars like the Mets’ Mo Vaughn and the Astro’s Craig Biggio — is a hotbed of sicko sex hazing, complete with nude and violent wrestling, according to the lawsuit, filed in Long Island federal court on Wednesday.”
Seton Hall rules the NCAA? “Sicko sex hazing?” Vaughn & Biggio aren’t exactly recent examples of Shoe’s D1 dominance.
And yeah, I don’t get the sexual hazing at all.
“The bombshell suit alleges the renowned Division I baseball program — which rules the NCAA and churns out all-stars like the Mets’ Mo Vaughn and the Astro’s Craig Biggio — is a hotbed of sicko sex hazing, complete with nude and violent wrestling, according to the lawsuit, filed in Long Island federal court on Wednesday.”
Seton Hall rules the NCAA? “Sicko sex hazing?” Vaughn & Biggio aren’t exactly recent examples of Shoe’s D1 dominance.
And yeah, I don’t get the sexual hazing at all.
This. Pledged AT RU in the 80s. WTF IS Wrong w people The weird sex shit is assault and Lord of the flies stuff.
there is hazing and then there is this sicko perv shit done under the guise of hazing. what a culture shep has created. if this shit is remotely true shep just destroyed everything his dad spent 30 years building.
This.
This. It's someone with enough power doing sick shit for their pleasure in the guise of hazing.
Reminds me of the Sayreville football scandal from years ago
https://www.nj.com/middlesex/2014/10/sayreville_football_players_charged_in_hazing.html
https://www.nj.com/middlesex/2014/10/sayreville_football_players_charged_in_hazing.html
Please don't forget that this is the newspaper which once ran the headline "Headless Body in Topless Bar"
Right more often than the NYT.
The Duke lacrosse scandal comes to mind among multiple other false narratives.
Seton Hall baseball sounds like the allegations in against Northwestern football under Fitz. Wonder how that case is going.
A guy I work with played for SHU. I’ll have to ask him tomorrow. I don’t get the gay stuff hazing. Never saw anything like it in all my years of locker room fun and games other than the occasional wedgie
Definitely sounds shady but always three sides to a story. Didn’t most of the NW stuff that cost Fitzgerald his job prove to be false
I mean the kid is 19, and claiming he can’t pitch in MLB because he got his ass
Kicked?
I mean the kid is 19, and claiming he can’t pitch in MLB because he got his ass
Kicked?
Plus a number of other things over the past few years that I won't specify as I don't want this thread to be CE material.
Sad situation from all angles. But doing some digging into the background of those involved…. A few google searches and it’s not hard to find that the background of the parents seemingly (can’t verify) includes a history of fraud and falsification. Hope it’s not true in this case. Guess time will tell
Alleged 'severe hazing, abuse and misconduct': Seton Hall hit with lawsuit over baseball program
A former Seton Hall baseball player filed a lawsuit over alleged “severe hazing, abuse and misconduct” he endured as a freshman in the program.
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Carino weighs in. At least he sets the record straight about the status of the program.
Haven’t seen anything from NJ.com. Something tells me if this was Rutgers there would have been 10 stories and a call to shut down the program by now out of them.
FYI that quote was written by AI, so 12 year olds might have been better. The whole article might have been written by AI, you can tell by the style, embellishment, and the long dashes.
Seton Hall University, already embroiled in two lawsuits involving its previous president and an archdiocese-ordered investigation into its current one, was hit with another lawsuit Wednesday – this by a former baseball player who filed a complaint in federal court alleging “severe hazing, abuse and misconduct” endured as a freshman in the program during August and September of 2024.
Agreed. The magic of pledging is you throw yourself fully into it. You trust the process. You trust the brothers. The process is built to challenge you and allow you to overcome it, learn something about yourself, and reorient your attitude toward yourself and the world in the end. That's what it did for me. It worked remarkably well; it changed my life.
For those who have never gone through it, I refer them to the movie "The Game" with Michael Douglas - which is the closest analogue I can come up with for the experience I had.
What's critical and fundamental to the process is trust. If that trust is violated with arbitrary acts, then that whole process is sullied and ruined. The payoff is negated. The whole thing becomes inane, mindless, purposeless.
What you call "vindictive hazing" I would characterize as "pointless hazing". Everything in a pledge or team building process should be purposeful. This stuff isn't purposeful.
I was in a fraternity at Rutgers, most of the hazing was harmless and at times even funny. What I learned is there's an alarming number of sadistic people that always wanted to ramp things up and sometimes go over the top to a bad place. I don't know what the percentage is, probably at least 10%, but it's the sad side of human nature and reality. If you get too many of them together at one time, or people just go along and don't stand up to them and stop things, it can snowball and go off the rails like this
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Alleged 'severe hazing, abuse and misconduct': Seton Hall hit with lawsuit over baseball program
A former Seton Hall baseball player filed a lawsuit over alleged “severe hazing, abuse and misconduct” he endured as a freshman in the program.
www.app.com
