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OT: travel soccer in NJ

What is it with all these abbreviations for soccer, I hope I never learn what they mean.
FUTSAL, TSF, MOSA, YMS, FIT, PDA's
WTF.....
JAGs made me LOL. That can be a derogatory term . . . . .Saw up above that some of this could cost $8-10K /year. Yikes. I'm glad my sons are average at sports and outstanding students. My youngest was asked to play travel baseball years ago, and when he realized the games were on Sunday, he declined because that is our boat/beach day.
 
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My daughter's team is fairly competitive, but not academy level. We were fortunate to find a good coach who valued training over results at an early age. For elite players, it is almost necessary to get the kids into academy play ONLY because there are some tournaments that a quality team, without academy affiliation, cannot participate in.

JAGS used to be a good league it has fallen off a bit, many teams have moved on. EDP is better quality play, but a 3 hour (each way) commute for a league game is not impossible. There are some very well coached academies, and some are in it JUST for the money. PDA has about 4-5 teams in each age bracket, and the lesser teams are still paying $1,000s/year. FC Copa I believe has two teams in our current bracket, both teams are VERY strong, and their top team is a true buzzsaw. We've played an academy team from Bridgewater area, and the Coach ran the academy, "brokered the deal" for the uniforms (i.e. he made money on the team sale), and may have been paid to Coach the team (not sure about this though.) BTW, we won, and the parents almost rioted on the Coach. Crazy stuff.

My daughter's coach said it best, he told me the problem with youth soccer now, is that the cat is out of the bag, the academies know that parents are willing to pay upwards of $5-6,000/ PER KID to play soccer. It never used to be like that.

Good luck.
 
JAGs made me LOL. That can be a derogatory term . . . . .Saw up above that some of this could cost $8-10K /year. Yikes. I'm glad my sons are average at sports and outstanding students. My youngest was asked to play travel baseball years ago, and when he realized the games were on Sunday, he declined because that is our boat/beach day.
I don't know where they are getting that 8-10k number for girls soccer unless they are paying for a lot of private training. My girls play for both an academy team and an inter-academy team and it still less than half of that.
 
I'm a parent that went into the world of girl's sports with little knowledge. My daughter is a lacrosse player and played for the local travel program for 4 years prior to high school. She was always very good making Varsity as a freshman. The thing I never realized is that unless you play for a club team, you're basically not recruited. So kind of late in the game, she played for a local club program last summer between Junior and Senior year and generated interest from a bunch of D3's including TCNJ. But obviously no athletic $$. She got her acceptance to RU in Dec so after a lot of thought she's decided to enroll at RU in the fall and just play for the lax club team. I was also surprised to learn that many D1 programs offer girls very early, like Freshman/Sophomore years..
 
I'm a parent that went into the world of girl's sports with little knowledge. My daughter is a lacrosse player and played for the local travel program for 4 years prior to high school. She was always very good making Varsity as a freshman. The thing I never realized is that unless you play for a club team, you're basically not recruited. So kind of late in the game, she played for a local club program last summer between Junior and Senior year and generated interest from a bunch of D3's including TCNJ. But obviously no athletic $$. She got her acceptance to RU in Dec so after a lot of thought she's decided to enroll at RU in the fall and just play for the lax club team. I was also surprised to learn that many D1 programs offer girls very early, like Freshman/Sophomore years..
Are the academic requirements to gain admission waived or lowered for the top athletes?
 
I'm a parent that went into the world of girl's sports with little knowledge. My daughter is a lacrosse player and played for the local travel program for 4 years prior to high school. She was always very good making Varsity as a freshman. The thing I never realized is that unless you play for a club team, you're basically not recruited. So kind of late in the game, she played for a local club program last summer between Junior and Senior year and generated interest from a bunch of D3's including TCNJ. But obviously no athletic $$. She got her acceptance to RU in Dec so after a lot of thought she's decided to enroll at RU in the fall and just play for the lax club team. I was also surprised to learn that many D1 programs offer girls very early, like Freshman/Sophomore years..

Surprising that one can read this forum - where people are scouting HS players and commenting on star ratings, etc. for football at the D1 level and not realize that it now applies to the other sports as well. It's an epidemic and our kids are becoming 1-sport specialists at an early age. It's why you see freshmen winning wrestling state championships which was unheard of (or very rare outside the very light weight classes) 20+ years ago. If people would save the money they spend on club teams, private training, clubs, traveling to tournaments and showcases, etc.. and put those funds into a 529 plan, their kids would probably have the same, if not more, amount of money available to help pay for college!
 
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Just starting down this road with my son. Can someone explain the various levels of teams? Is it just "town" teams and "academy" teams or are there other levels? Are town teams for kids that want or need more than parent coached rec soccer and academies are for top town players that want elite competition? At what age do the academies start? Is anything but an "A" side just a money maker for the town or academy club? How much does a town team cost vs. an academy team?

My kid has shown some ability but he is so young that he may ultimately fall anywhere from Messi to a Zog Sports hero, lol, at this point. I have no dreams of sports scholarships and am more focused on academic scholarships, but if he has ability i want to let him explore it with professional coaching just the same as we do with his schooling.

Thanks for any and all info!
 
I'm a parent that went into the world of girl's sports with little knowledge. My daughter is a lacrosse player and played for the local travel program for 4 years prior to high school. She was always very good making Varsity as a freshman. The thing I never realized is that unless you play for a club team, you're basically not recruited. So kind of late in the game, she played for a local club program last summer between Junior and Senior year and generated interest from a bunch of D3's including TCNJ. But obviously no athletic $$. She got her acceptance to RU in Dec so after a lot of thought she's decided to enroll at RU in the fall and just play for the lax club team. I was also surprised to learn that many D1 programs offer girls very early, like Freshman/Sophomore years..

My daughter played hs lacrossee and no travel. She then played at tcnj.

Ive raise 4 daughters and have seen a lot of kids grow up and if you can't tell by the age of 5 if they are athletically gifted, and i mean naturally head and sholders above the rest they are not getting scholarships. 95% of the girls who i know recevied schoarships come from athletically gifted parents, parents who played college sports most on scholarship. My advice is to take your $10,000 per year and invest it then take all of the weekend and extra time you spent driving back and forth to tournements and experience different things with your kids have them study more or you can even work more and make more money. In the end you will have more money for college, better experiences with your children and you will avoid a lot of crazy people.
 
A few comments...

King high- stupid remark

Recruiting is happening earlier and earlier in all sports. My one daughter plays travel softball at the 14u level. The 14u level has been gutted somewhat since a lot of the best girls are playing 18u to get recruited. A girl she played with a couple of years ago has just verbally committed to play softball at Hofstra, which is one of the best Div 1 programs in the northeast. This girl is a freshmen who has not played one game of high school softball.

I agree that college coaches never go to HS events

I agree that soccer is the most competitive by far to play in college. My older daughter just committed to lacrosse in college at a D3 school and maybe could have gone D2 if we started the process earlier. If your (any) daughter but as much time into lacrosse as they did soccer they would certainly have more college opportunities.
 
My daughter played travel then select, then Premier, then the phone would start ringing, PDA teams select teams Premier teams all of whom were Coaches she played for against or a coach who knows a coach who gave out YER number.
All looking for fill out rosters for tournaments from Syracuse to Florida.
So good luck cuz high level soccer is a life all its own. We used Hampton in so much they gave us employee discounts :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
If any of you think your child is really good at soccer, I encourage you to read the following New York Times article: How a Soccer Star Is Made.

Then search YouTube for "the next Messi" or "the next Ronaldo". There you will find numerous videos of 3-5 year-olds all around the globe who can probably run circles around your grade school player.

Not trying to be mean here -- it's just an eye opening reality for parents who may not be aware.

That said, if the goal is to get a college scholarship and not necessarily with pro aspirations, it still might be worth all the effort.

Unlike football, soccer doesn't mesh well with the college set-up. Kids who are really elite typically eschew college to go the club route leaving the college door wide open for a lot of second tier kids which is fantastic because they probably aren't good enough to go pro anyway.
 
If any of you think your child is really good at soccer, I encourage you to read the following New York Times article: How a Soccer Star Is Made.

Then search YouTube for "the next Messi" or "the next Ronaldo". There you will find numerous videos of 3-5 year-olds all around the globe who can probably run circles around your grade school player.

Not trying to be mean here -- it's just an eye opening reality for parents who may not be aware.

That said, if the goal is to get a college scholarship and not necessarily with pro aspirations, it still might be worth all the effort.

Unlike football, soccer doesn't mesh well with the college set-up. Kids who are really elite typically eschew college to go the club route leaving the college door wide open for a lot of second tier kids which is fantastic because they probably aren't good enough to go pro anyway.
Anybody who goes into youth sports with the goal of a college scholarship is an idiot. It should be about your kid exercising and having fun while being challenged. Not to mention learning to work with others and being a part of a team.
 
vkj: That's true. I should have been more clear.

The "goal of getting a college scholarship" part of my post was intended for parents of already promising high school athletes (as opposed to toddler/grade school parents who I'm actually cautioning against that type of insane financial investment).

Similar to getting PSAT tutors for those already within striking distance of scholarship-level scores.
 
What is it with all these abbreviations for soccer, I hope I never learn what they mean.
FUTSAL, TSF, MOSA, YMS, FIT, PDA's
WTF.....
If I can go back in time 40 years ago I would have American children play FUTSAL. We've got development completely backwards in this country. Our youth shouldn't play soccer on grass until the age of 13-14. FUTSAL is how the Brazilians and Dutch develop talent. Indoor basket court, 5v5, mastering precision rhythmic passing and creative dribbling. It also helps promote small sided pick up games which is how we developed great basketball and baseball talent in our great nation. Travel soccer can continue to dominate the suburbs but we need travel FUTSAL leagues in our rural and urban sectors desperately.

 
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Just starting down this road with my son. Can someone explain the various levels of teams? Is it just "town" teams and "academy" teams or are there other levels? Are town teams for kids that want or need more than parent coached rec soccer and academies are for top town players that want elite competition? At what age do the academies start? Is anything but an "A" side just a money maker for the town or academy club? How much does a town team cost vs. an academy team?

My kid has shown some ability but he is so young that he may ultimately fall anywhere from Messi to a Zog Sports hero, lol, at this point. I have no dreams of sports scholarships and am more focused on academic scholarships, but if he has ability i want to let him explore it with professional coaching just the same as we do with his schooling.

Thanks for any and all info!
My two girls are both pretty involved in soccer and I am learning the pecking order as we go along so I can tell what I believe to be the hierarchy.
Town Rec....usually one practice a week and then a game on Saturday. Parent coaches so it's very hit or miss
Travel soccer: supposed to be made up of the girls who excel at REC but there are so many now if you have money someone will take her.
Academy level: is supposed to be for the girls who excelled at travel but this is also beginning to get watered down.
For me, the greatest thing about travel and academy is that there are no parent coaches. Most of the coaches will have played at a high level and really understand the game. This was important for me as I know nothing about soccer and brought nothing to the table for my kids.
My girls are presently playing for an academy and inter academy team so I get to see teams from multiple leagues and it's very obvious that there are guys just willing to take money from anybody. However, these is also some ridiculous soccer being played in this state. Also, don't become too attached to any of the families you meet as these girls jump teams like it's their job. For the people on this board who think North Jersey Parochials are out of control you should go to some girls soccer tournaments.
 
So what is the right level for a grade school kid that wants more than rec league and a family that wants to let him/her explore their ability, have fun and learn but is not harboring dreams of scholarships and pro careers?
 
vkj: That's true. I should have been more clear.

The "goal of getting a college scholarship" part of my post was intended for parents of already promising high school athletes (as opposed to toddler/grade school parents who I'm actually cautioning against that type of insane financial investment).

Similar to getting PSAT tutors for those already within striking distance of scholarship-level scores.
problem is there are parents of small kids who think this way. I had a 2nd grade parent tell me I was hurting her sons chances of getting a scholarship because I wouldn't play him at RB. While totally ignoring her 2nd grade son was already above the weight limit to touch the ball for 3rd and 4th graders.
 
My two girls are both pretty involved in soccer and I am learning the pecking order as we go along so I can tell what I believe to be the hierarchy.
Town Rec....usually one practice a week and then a game on Saturday. Parent coaches so it's very hit or miss
Travel soccer: supposed to be made up of the girls who excel at REC but there are so many now if you have money someone will take her.
Academy level: is supposed to be for the girls who excelled at travel but this is also beginning to get watered down.
For me, the greatest thing about travel and academy is that there are no parent coaches. Most of the coaches will have played at a high level and really understand the game. This was important for me as I know nothing about soccer and brought nothing to the table for my kids.
My girls are presently playing for an academy and inter academy team so I get to see teams from multiple leagues and it's very obvious that there are guys just willing to take money from anybody. However, these is also some ridiculous soccer being played in this state. Also, don't become too attached to any of the families you meet as these girls jump teams like it's their job. For the people on this board who think North Jersey Parochials are out of control you should go to some girls soccer tournaments.

Thanks VK. I moved out to San Diego last year from NJ, so my kids are going to play out here, but i have been told this area can be pretty intense for soccer, like NJ. The travel team my son just joined is coached by the same staff that coaches the HS team that we are districted for and on the girls side there is overlap between the coaches and the UCSD coaching staff. I thought that was a good thing until i read here that the kids and coaches involved with HS and college soccer are the scrubs lol.
 
We've played an academy team from Bridgewater area, and the Coach ran the academy, "brokered the deal" for the uniforms (i.e. he made money on the team sale), and may have been paid to Coach the team (not sure about this though.) BTW, we won, and the parents almost rioted on the Coach. Crazy stuff.
Bridgewater has an academy team? Do you mean BSA: Bridgewater Soccer Association, which is a club not an academy team?
 
Thanks VK. I moved out to San Diego last year from NJ, so my kids are going to play out here, but i have been told this area can be pretty intense for soccer, like NJ. The travel team my son just joined is coached by the same staff that coaches the HS team that we are districted for and on the girls side there is overlap between the coaches and the UCSD coaching staff. I thought that was a good thing until i read here that the kids and coaches involved with HS and college soccer are the scrubs lol.
It's similar here, many of the best girls are told not to play HS soccer. Most of the end up playing but HS is definitely secondary to their club games and tournaments. Not sure about Cali but I think NJ has some rules about HS coaches not coaching club girls beyond a certain age..... Might be 12
 
Lots of assumptions there, KingHigh. My wife and I are both professors in the medical school - trust me, school and homework still come first; if it doesn't, they don't play. Plus if either one loses the interest in going to practice, etc. they would be done with soccer. But I'm not going to tell them to not play a sport - they really only get the chance to do this when they are kids.

My son plays travel too. I honestly hate it.
 
Surprising that one can read this forum - where people are scouting HS players and commenting on star ratings, etc. for football at the D1 level and not realize that it now applies to the other sports as well. It's an epidemic and our kids are becoming 1-sport specialists at an early age. It's why you see freshmen winning wrestling state championships which was unheard of (or very rare outside the very light weight classes) 20+ years ago. If people would save the money they spend on club teams, private training, clubs, traveling to tournaments and showcases, etc.. and put those funds into a 529 plan, their kids would probably have the same, if not more, amount of money available to help pay for college!

Reading the boards, I thought serious recruiting of HS players (like football) took place around Junior year, but for girls, that's often too late. Plus there's little HS recruiting in lax unless you have a program like Moorestown lax. Otherwise its all club team recruiting and connections. I'm glad I haven't spent money on club teams for years and years only to have my kid decide not to play at the varsity level in college.
 
It's similar here, many of the best girls are told not to play HS soccer. Most of the end up playing but HS is definitely secondary to their club games and tournaments. Not sure about Cali but I think NJ has some rules about HS coaches not coaching club girls beyond a certain age..... Might be 12

The head boys HS coach, coaches the 2010-2012 boys at the club. I was wondering why that was the case, but based on what you wrote that now makes sense.
 
So what is the right level for a grade school kid that wants more than rec league and a family that wants to let him/her explore their ability, have fun and learn but is not harboring dreams of scholarships and pro careers?

At grade school level, the travel leagues normally field an A team and a B team. A lot of the parents get an inferiority complex and take their kid out versus going to the B team. Others stab their friends in the back and politic behind the scenes to get their kid onto the A team. This shit brings out the worst in many people. Given your approach, you would probably be great on a B squad which is full of people with your exact same mindset. I'm guessing my kid will go on B after this year, which is fine with me.
 
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The head boys HS coach, coaches the 2010-2012 boys at the club. I was wondering why that was the case, but based on what you wrote that now makes sense.
That's another thing that's sending soccer moms into a frenzy this year. The transition from Uwhatever to birth year. Kids that have played together for years are being separated and people are acting like its Armageddon. I just sit back and laugh at the insanity.
 
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Reading the boards, I thought serious recruiting of HS players (like football) took place around Junior year, but for girls, that's often too late. Plus there's little HS recruiting in lax unless you have a program like Moorestown lax. Otherwise its all club team recruiting and connections. I'm glad I haven't spent money on club teams for years and years only to have my kid decide not to play at the varsity level in college.
I will say this: soccer is different from most other sports like football, basketball, and baseball in that it's almost impossible to overcome an experience gap.

It's not like you can have marginal hands but still be a threat at WR if you run a 4.4 or can't field a lick but can still hit .600. Or even be a sucky basketball player yet still go to college because you're 7 feet tall.

Kids who start early (like grade school early...) have such an advantage in terms of first touch, anticipation, spacial awareness, and on the ball composure. And these are the exact traits that define the worlds best soccer players -- rather than speed, strength, or size.
 
My two girls are both pretty involved in soccer and I am learning the pecking order as we go along so I can tell what I believe to be the hierarchy.
Town Rec....usually one practice a week and then a game on Saturday. Parent coaches so it's very hit or miss
Travel soccer: supposed to be made up of the girls who excel at REC but there are so many now if you have money someone will take her.
Academy level: is supposed to be for the girls who excelled at travel but this is also beginning to get watered down.
For me, the greatest thing about travel and academy is that there are no parent coaches. Most of the coaches will have played at a high level and really understand the game. This was important for me as I know nothing about soccer and brought nothing to the table for my kids.
My girls are presently playing for an academy and inter academy team so I get to see teams from multiple leagues and it's very obvious that there are guys just willing to take money from anybody. However, these is also some ridiculous soccer being played in this state. Also, don't become too attached to any of the families you meet as these girls jump teams like it's their job. For the people on this board who think North Jersey Parochials are out of control you should go to some girls soccer tournaments.
Some major opinions on this topic - some addt'l thoughts:
Town Rec - sign up and play. Parent coaches - supposed to be fun
Town Travel - play neighboring towns primarily. Usually coached by outside coaches and train 2-3x per week. Typically won't play in college.
Academy - less than 10 true academies in NJ. Copa, STA, TSF, SDFC, South Jersey Elite, etc. Play neighboring states and go up and down East Coast for tournaments. Can typically go low D1 to D3. Train year-round.
National Academy - 2 real ones in NJ - PDA and Match Fit. Travel nationally to tourneys. Can typically go all levels of D1. These teams have B, C, D teams that they dangle as opportunities to get to the big club. It's mostly BS - they do it for a money grab and to keep good girls away from other clubs.

You need to have realistic expectations about how good your kid is and what you really want at the end of the day. There are 14 ships per D1 college (and 24-28 on roster) so many of the best don't get full ships. If you're in it for academic reasons, your kid will definitely get academic opportunities they would not normally get (especially in D3) - I know it firsthand. D1 college players train 6 days/week 9 months of the year (sometimes 2x per day). Study abroad, greek life, clubs probably not in cards.
 
Youth sports are out of control. My youngest daughter is 8. I was recently speaking with the parents of 2 of her friends.

One 8 yr old plays rec soccer in the fall and she score most, if not all of the goals for her team. The coach wants to move her up to travel level but said she must play in spring and fall. The parent said no, she will only play fall because she plays softball in the spring. The coach replied that she can play travel in the fall only but she must pay for both spring and fall seasons to hold her spot for the fall.

The other 8 year old is in gymnastics. The coach wants to move her up to the next level but it requires 10 hours of practice a week. Who has time for home work or other activities? 10 hours of practice a week for an 8yr old is crazy.
 
As a single guy with no kids, this thread makes me even more terrified of the prospects of potentially having children someday. I was a decent athlete, played all stars in baseball and travel BB, one year of HS BB. I'm only 32 but it seems like the world has gone absolutely mad in the last 15-20 years when it comes to youth sports.

I get that you want what's best for your kid, but it seems to be an awfully big commitment (read: WASTE OF TIME) for parent and child. This youth sports industry reminds me of the military-industrial complex.
 
As a single guy with no kids, this thread makes me even more terrified of the prospects of potentially having children someday. I was a decent athlete, played all stars in baseball and travel BB, one year of HS BB. I'm only 32 but it seems like the world has gone absolutely mad in the last 15-20 years when it comes to youth sports.

I get that you want what's best for your kid, but it seems to be an awfully big commitment (read: WASTE OF TIME) for parent and child. This youth sports industry reminds me of the military-industrial complex.
It's only a waste of time if you view that way. Do my girls practice a lot? yes but they never ask to stay home and school always comes first. Here's the thing, they are going to fill their time with something and if it isn't a sport its probably going to be TV or an IPad because all their friends are playing sports as well.
 
A very wise man when asked about concentrating on one sport said..."Play 'em all, kid."
 
Exactly like Juwan Harris, there is no way I'd have give up my multiple sports in high school.
I doubt I would have continued like he's doing playing two in college, and be pre med to boot....he's pretty amazing.
We'll see how long this lasts
 
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A very wise man when asked about concentrating on one sport said..."Play 'em all, kid."
This is gonna sound sexist but I don't mind my girls concentrating on one sport. I wouldn't let my son do it but the girls have no interest in playing softball or lacrosse. We talked about them trying REC basketball but they prefer soccer.
 
This is gonna sound sexist but I don't mind my girls concentrating on one sport. I wouldn't let my son do it but the girls have no interest in playing softball or lacrosse. We talked about them trying REC basketball but they prefer soccer.
Well another wise man (who is also a podiatrist) on the topic of specialization at such a young age said get their little piggies out the boot/cleats/spikes and into other types of athletic footwear as much as possible.
 
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Well another wise man (who is also a podiatrist) on the topic of specialization at such a young age said get their little piggies out the boot/cleats/spikes and into other types of athletic footwear as much as possible.

Not to mention, basketball is a great sport for winter conditioning inside when it is cold, and is great for eye-hand coordination.Our youngest plays rec soccer and baseball, and resists us about playing rec hoops, but we make him do it every year, and once he gets involved, he is glad he participated.
 
So many options. Take a dance class, or gymnastics. Join a cheer team. My daughters also take a music lesson once a week and one of them takes an art class. Lacrosse, softball, soccer, basketball, field hockey.

What you learn in one sport can cross over to the others.
 
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