OT: UNC & NCAA COI Meet Today...

[RUinPinehurst]

and tomorrow in Nashville. At long last, the Enforcement staff has turned the case over to the Committee on Infractions for the punishment phase. UNC's Chancellor and AD, as well as head coaches from FB, MBB, and WBB will be there to answer to the COI.

The NCAA's Enforcement staff, you may recall, had issued its initial Notice of Allegations that was pretty damning to MBB and FB. But, then, subsequently reissued a second NOA that was kinder and gentler, lessening the years of infractions and removing direct references to those two revenue programs. This signaled that a deal had been struck.

But... then the NCAA issued a second ANOA that reinstated direct references to FB and MBB, indicating a different dynamic at work. Seems that the NCAA Enforcement did not much appreciate UNC's backtracking and its response to the first ANOA-- the obstruction, the obfuscation, the arrogance, etc.-- you know, the whole "yes we cheated but academics is our business not yours" thing.

So now the COI gets the case, and all that rich primary evidence including emails, transcripts, etc. The COI can take things well beyond what scope Enforcement laid out for it. Everything's in play with the COI.

Links:

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article166822887.html

https://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2017/8/14/16142652/barry-jacobs-on-the-unc-scandal

https://pilotonline.com/sports/colu...cle_18fc6af4-f808-53e6-b107-ca46fb2a1e6a.html

http://radio.cbssports.com/2017/07/26/feinstein-ncaa-must-hammer-unc-for-academic-fraud/

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/unc-now/article167344467.html

 

[ruready07]

Historic couple of days for college athletics.
:popcorn:

 

[Knight Shift]

How long until the no penalty is announced?

 

[Rufaninga]

How long until the no penalty is announced?

in roughly 8 years

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I have zero faith that anything will happen to them beyond a gentle light tap of the wrist with the lightest of feathers.

Of course I much rather they use a battle axe instead and swing down as hard as possible.

But, lets see what happens.

 

[Rokodesh]

this will result in a lot of nothing, not even worth paying attention to

 

[RUSK97]

I have zero faith that anything will happen to them beyond a gentle light tap of the wrist with the lightest of feathers.

Of course I much rather they use a battle axe instead and swing down as hard as possible.

But, lets see what happens.

Too late for that. NCAA is pissed for being repeatedly told to grab their ankles. UNC will have to sacrifice some programs - maybe WBB and soccer - in order to allow FB and MBB to skate by.

 

[Abro1975]

Anything less than a post season ban for FB, BB, and maybe other sports for a season or 2, plus significant schollie losses for 2 seasons, would be a light penalty, IMO.

 

[Jim_from_RU]

The hammer should've dropped a long time ago. What a joke.

 

[PatrickRU92]

 

[RUSK97]

Hilarious!!

 

[RU#1fan]

How long until the no penalty is announced?

Until the next Program has major infractions that are made public and everyone forgets about UNC. NCAA is a joke... no backbone.

 

[LC-88]

Need to vacate some NC's and hand the trophys over to the runner ups.

 

[MozRU]

Unless they pull the banners down and destroy the trophy case, its all worthless.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

They will meet, have assorted pastries and coffee and the NCAA will announce it sternly talked to unc about cutting it out.

That's about as severe as I expect...

 

[rurichdog]

How long until the no penalty is announced?

The day after the National Championship.

 

[mdk01]

Men's lacrosse banned from the NCAA Tournament for 4 years. That'll show'em.

 

[ScarletNut]

IDK, have a feeling the NCAA is gonna come down hard on UNC. I was encouraged by the penalties Louisville got for their infractions.

 

[cicero grimes]

I think UNC skates. Sad but par for the course. Maybe they will let us vacate all our wins last year as our punishment for Kyle's sins. It will hurt not having bragging rights over New Mex but I am prepared for that pain.

 

[RU86]

Watch the RU Flood penalty be along the same lines as the UNC penalty!

 

[rubigtimenow]

Wait, nobody has cheekily posted that some random Tiny Directional University will be severely punished for unc's misdeeds??
I'm thankful cause that joke is so overdone. I probably should have let sleeping dogs lie...

 

[LC-88]

Watch the RU Flood penalty be along the same lines as the UNC penalty!

It will be orders of magnitude worse for us.

 

[Caliknight]

UNC will get a small slap on the wrist to the NCAA can try and save face. Their football team will be in a bowl game this season and their basketball team will be in the NCAA tournament.

 

[mdk01]

UNC will get a small slap on the wrist to the NCAA can try and save face. Their football team will be in a bowl game this season and their basketball team will be in the NCAA tournament.

And if you're wrong, it will be the FB team being denied a bowl.

 

[Knight Shift]

Wait, nobody has cheekily posted that some random Tiny Directional University will be severely punished for unc's misdeeds??
I'm thankful cause that joke is so overdone. I probably should have let sleeping dogs lie...

Coastal Carolina is so screwed. . . . .
Don't say you didn't ask for it.

 

[RUSK97]

And if you're wrong, it will be the FB team being denied a bowl.

But they have a decent chance of making a bowl this year, so no. UNC's concession will be no postseason for a team that doesn't have a shot at the postseason. Or at least a team with lower visibility.

 

[mdh2003]

UNC will get a small slap on the wrist to the NCAA can try and save face. Their football team will be in a bowl game this season and their basketball team will be in the NCAA tournament.

This is correct.

 

[Caliknight]

And if you're wrong, it will be the FB team being denied a bowl.

Exactly. They thumbed their nose at the NCAA because they know they can get away with it. Gotta give them credit. They know how to circle the wagons.

 

[RUSK97]

Exactly. They thumbed their nose at the NCAA because they know they can get away with it. Gotta give them credit. They know how to circle the wagons.

It's really quite an impressive display.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

Early this summer, when UNC responded to the NCAA's second ANOA that UNC academics was none of the NCAA's business, the NCAA sent a response to UNC that included the following:

"When a member institution allows an academic department to provide benefits to student-athletes that are materially different from the general student body, it is the NCAA's business.

When athletics academic counselors exploit 'special arrangement' classes for student-athletes in ways unintended by and contrary to the bylaws, it is the NCAA's business.

When a member institution provides student-athletes an inside track to enroll in unpublicized courses where grades of As and Bs are the norm, it is the NCAA's business.

When a member institution uses 'special arrangement' courses to keep a significant number of student-athletes eligible, it is the NCAA's business.

When a member institution fails or refuses to take action after receiving actual notice of problems involving student-athletes, thereby allowing violations to compound and to continue for years, it is the NCAA's business."

Clearly, the NCAA means business. And the COI will take it to the Heels. Tarmageddon? Not the death penalty, although that is appropriate. But I do suspect significant punishment that includes forfeits of all games in which those athletes played, loss of championships, loss of scholarships, fines, and a 5-year probation for MBB, FB, WBB, WSoccer, and a few other programs.

 

[RUtix4me]

Wait, nobody has cheekily posted that some random Tiny Directional University will be severely punished for unc's misdeeds??
I'm thankful cause that joke is so overdone. I probably should have let sleeping dogs lie...

How about the NCAA announces penalties against the university of Guam, taking a page from the North Korean playbook?

 

[RutgersMO]

and tomorrow in Nashville. At long last, the Enforcement staff has turned the case over to the Committee on Infractions for the punishment phase. UNC's Chancellor and AD, as well as head coaches from FB, MBB, and WBB will be there to answer to the COI.

The NCAA's Enforcement staff, you may recall, had issued its initial Notice of Allegations that was pretty damning to MBB and FB. But, then, subsequently reissued a second NOA that was kinder and gentler, lessening the years of infractions and removing direct references to those two revenue programs. This signaled that a deal had been struck.

But... then the NCAA issued a second ANOA that reinstated direct references to FB and MBB, indicating a different dynamic at work. Seems that the NCAA Enforcement did not much appreciate UNC's backtracking and its response to the first ANOA-- the obstruction, the obfuscation, the arrogance, etc.-- you know, the whole "yes we cheated but academics is our business not yours" thing.

So now the COI gets the case, and all that rich primary evidence including emails, transcripts, etc. The COI can take things well beyond what scope Enforcement laid out for it. Everything's in play with the COI.

Links:

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article166822887.html

https://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2017/8/14/16142652/barry-jacobs-on-the-unc-scandal

https://pilotonline.com/sports/colu...cle_18fc6af4-f808-53e6-b107-ca46fb2a1e6a.html

http://radio.cbssports.com/2017/07/26/feinstein-ncaa-must-hammer-unc-for-academic-fraud/

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/unc-now/article167344467.html

Breaking news per NCAA...as punishment, all teams that beat UNC will now be registered as "W's" for UNC!
That will show them!

MO:football:[poop]:basketball:[sick]:flush:

 

[RUinPinehurst]

FYI... approximate timeline:

COI Meeting: August 16-17 2017

COI Report: November 2017

UNC will appeal the NCAA's decision, of course.

NCAA Final Report: March/April 2018

 

[mdk01]

FYI... approximate timeline:

COI Meeting: August 16-17 2017

COI Report: November 2017

UNC will appeal the NCAA's decision, of course.

NCAA Final Report: March/April 2018

You just could have said "after 2018 March Madness"

 

[Rutgers1982]

You just could have said "after 2018 March Madness"

Yes. After all, UNC has to defend its title before being slapped on the wrist for over a decade of cheating.
And the UNC scandal will continue to barely be mentioned on ESPN and certainly not during CBS college hoops coverage

 

[RJM_Go_RU]

Off-topic, but was just reading that UNC has some statute of a confederate soldier located in prominent place on their campus. Maybe they should think about removing? Just saying...

 

[RU31trap]

All this drama over what? A few phony classes a couple of players on the take? Been going on for decades.

 

[Rush4]

This academic fraud at unc goes all the way back to Dean Smith. It's been gong on for decades so it was eventually going to surface at some point for something going on unabated.

Does anyone think the NCAA will destroy the unc money machine and the Duke-unc Men's Basketball rivalry?
Regrettably, we have our answer where if we lived in a law abiding/rules abiding society, filthy dirty unc would receive a well deserved and well earned DEATH PENALTY.

 

[Dpgru]

I will not be surprised to hear that we get a stiffer penalty than they do. I hope I am wrong but the NCAA is gutless when it comes to elite programs. Or, they get the Penn state rule and the NCAA comes down hard to look good and then after one year removes all or most of the serious sanctions.

 

[LotusAggressor]

McNeese State should get ready for the hammer.