OT: WOW… Pete Rose has died at the age of 83
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thanks for this thoughtful reply. Makes sense. People grew up faster back then out of necessityChildren were seen as workers from a very young age - especially in rural farming areas. Kids could work harvesting at 5 yrs old. Poverty was more prevalent than people realize. Not having shoes was not uncommon 100 years ago. No social services etc and working kids were seen as old age help . People worked young and more often died young. Age was not as limiting as it is now.
People in hard conditions are often known to have a lot of kids young. Many Irish/Italian US immigrants had big families. No birth pills, abortions, welfare etc. Procreating was also a thing to do as well as a source of help. Young people who got pregnant early then would be more likely to be pushed to marry. Even churches pushed for "knobstick weddings" since they could get stuck with the bills for single mothers and poor children.
Obviously as economies developed and people had more options the laws and customs changed. Nobody today wants their 16 year old to get married but its easier not to. I find some of the "shock" and revulsion over age differences a little irregular.
A 35 yr old guy with a 21 year old girlfriend is often derided. I think part of that is due to women who hate (and I mean hate) seeing men with younger girls and men who cant get them. They've sort of agreed on having shock and awe over a 15 year age difference - while at the same time promoting transmogrified marriages that came around after the "just a piece of paper" counter-culture took marriage over a cliff.
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No I didn't. But the things he did that are public knowledge are way over the line. Some people have no morals.
He's not in the HOF because he gambled on baseball and the team he managed not because of his character. He isn't the only one.
Threw games? Charlie Hustle? GTFOH.
Now.. mismanaged games trying to win the game and a bet? yeah.. I'd buy that. An example might be overusing a pitcher, changing rotations, etc.
I wonder how many HoF voters who bet on games voted against Rose getting in. Yeah.. maybe, as writers, they couldn't affect the games.. but they could affect how they reported on the human beings involved in those games.
Over/under was 82.5 and Rose already had the over and was tired.
Phillies don’t win in 1980 without him.
Little leaguers all over were probably helped by watching him play…especially when it came to keeping a level swing. Trying to emulate a Greg Luzinski was a recipe for striking yourself out.
Phillies don’t win in 1980 without him.
Little leaguers all over were probably helped by watching him play…especially when it came to keeping a level swing. Trying to emulate a Greg Luzinski was a recipe for striking yourself out.
Frankly, if he didn't bet on baseball and was just responsible for his other actions(mainly underage girls) he would be in the hall of fame. Baseball had to have known that he not only bet on Reds games to win but also to lose and that is what cannot be overlooked.
Shoeless Joe is another that deserves HOF status.
Lets hope the powers decide : they earned the right on the field.
And to piss MLB even more he came clean for a book deal after years claiming false innocences and bashing everyone. Well it came to haunt him when he tried to sue John Dowd and then the now woman came forward about his statutory rape of a minor. Pete had many bad karma moments in his life. I don't understand the love of this man, outside of a baseball stadium.
Passan: Pete Rose's baseball legacy will always be tarnished -- with only Pete Rose to blame
MLB's hit king lived how he played the game: pushing every limit. His inability to admit when he crossed the line will forever muddle how he is remembered.
Totally disagree with your take. Gambling by fans is fine. Gambling by those that have a direct impact on the outcome should never happen and those that do should be permanently banned. Please tell me how sports went full out gambling?? None of them had a choice with the victory in the NJ case.
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