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Our schedule is insane!!

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Iowa…….Iowa plus #4 OSU, #2 M, #9 PSU

We started the season 0-4! The B1G is WOW!

Iowa is totally stomping all over Kentucky!
Iowa is huge!
Kentucky played Georgia tough.
 
Eastern division is too top heavy with boss teams (three 100k+ stadiums - any NFL division have that?)
As teams are added hopefully things get some balance
 
People need to understand thevschedule- all this talk of kansas or other schools is so off base when they dont face the gauntlet we have.
People need to understand that we need to have an offensive, creative coach that can put points on the board with the talent they have against anybody. TheNeanderthal days of having a defensive coach who is stubborn and doesn't recruit quarterbacks which is the most important position on the team should be a long time gone.
 
I don't like B1G QBs in general and find them overrated .
Joe Burrow had to go to LSU to use his talents as a pocket passer
 
People need to understand thevschedule- all this talk of kansas or other schools is so off base when they dont face the gauntlet we have.

That’s what the conference payout is for.
If we want to get up to $100/m a year soon - then we’re going face a gauntlet each year.
You don’t get $100m/year for a G5 or lower P5 schedule.

Kansas or other schools may have easier schedules but they also receive less conference revenue to fund their team.
 
People need to understand thevschedule- all this talk of kansas or other schools is so off base when they dont face the gauntlet we have.
We wanted the Big 1o, now we want to complain about the schedule. Ok lets leave Kansas out of it, what about Illinois this year and what Nebraska has done compared to us in the last 4 weeks, is that off base?
 
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I said this in the other thread but I don't read too much into these bowl games, the teams aren't always what you saw in the regular season. The long layoff is one thing and the fact that players sit or leave and coaches leave is another big thing. I didn't see the game but UK's qb Levis and rb Rodriguez didn't play in preparation for the draft. Same kind of stuff happened in many of the bowl games.

As far as us, the schedule is the schedule. I've said before during the season (and the results of the season don't change my mind), OSU is out in front by a lot IMO but everyone else can be challenged in any given year. Michigan has kicked it up a notch these last couple years but even last year we played them close on their field. Illinois and Maryland played them close this year. Before these last couple years, they were more mortal. PSU is similar, they have good years and downish years. Even in this up year for PSU, Purdue took it to them early this year. IIRC IU had a string of about 3 years where they played PSU in one score games and won one of them.

People think getting rid of the divisions will help and it may a little but not as much as you might think of first blush. Someone here posted we're winless against 4 or 5 teams in the west. What worries me more is that the B10 as a whole is taking a slight step over towards being more offense oriented. USC is definitely in that direction with Riley. UCLA has its moments. WIsconsin with Longo is in that direction. IMO, that's a demonstration of what Fickell thinks is needed for them to take the next step. Purdue with Harrell will still likely try to stay in the same kind of mold as Brohm. If the B10, takes a turn like the SEC has in these last years, we have to be able to match on offense.

I've said it for many years, offense is the avenue with the most potential (not a guarantee) to overperform your status on the landscape. Productive offense and at least a mediocre defense and you give yourself a decent chance.

More often when you see these lower status teams making a run in any given year, it's because of productive offense vs top quality defense. It can happen the other way too but I think the frequency is more with offense.

TCU this year is kind of an ideal imo. Ironically despite the fact I want offense, I've always said a defensive HC with flexibility to allow an OC to create an open offense is my kind of ideal because you get the productive offense but hopefully not a charmin soft team that has somewhat of an element of physicality. It won't be the most physical but can be physical enough, specifically when needed. Offensive HCs often lack that element on their team.

I posted an article here about how Dykes wanted to make a point of that this year with TCU. You don't always see that with offensive coaches. Their defense isn't top notch. They're ranked 60s and 70s for total and scoring defense and yards/play. Their total offense is 13 and scoring offense is 3. As I said above, productive offense and mediocre defense. Sometimes teams get away without even the mediocre defense. The thing that Dykes has done this year, is they have an element of physicality both on offense and on defense. It won't be the toughest hard nosed team you'll see but there's enough of it there. I saw their Texas game, it was tough game and they held down two big productive NFL backs in Robinson and Johnson. They did similar yesterday to Michigan's run game. They also can run the ball themselves. (many of these "air raids" can and do) It won't be the most physical team you see but they're capable enough and that's all you need IMO if you have that productive offense.

It doesn't mean every year will be a playoff run for TCU or whomever but a team built like that can compete in the B10 and be respectable and then maybe have the occasional magical playoff (12 teams in the future) season like TCU is this year. I'm interested to see how Longo does these next few years. If some of that Fickell physicality mentality rubs off on him, he could be a potentially solid HC in the future if needed.
 
Once we build the talent base, things will be fun. The last two classes will provide the foundation for a fun football team.
This year's recruiting class was ranked near the bottom in our division, so exactly how are we building a talent base to compete with OSU, PSU, Michigan, etc.? Until we get a legitimate B1G HC who brings with him a stellar staff of recruiters we will continue to be B1G bottom feeders. Anyone who thinks a Greg Schiano coached team can successfully compete against the conference elite programs is living in a fantasy world.
 
This year's recruiting class was ranked near the bottom in our division, so exactly how are we building a talent base to compete with OSU, PSU, Michigan, etc.? Until we get a legitimate B1G HC who brings with him a stellar staff of recruiters we will continue to be B1G bottom feeders. Anyone who thinks a Greg Schiano coached team can successfully compete against the conference elite programs is living in a fantasy world.
The truth will set you free, we are just spinning our wheel hoping. Get me a young, dynamc, offensive coach with a game plan. We need some in here that gonna talk the talk and walk the walk. These players will gravitate to someone like that if the offense scores points. Nit someone who come in and talk about a 5 year plan, 5 year for what to be 4-8 or 5-7? How to you sell a 5 year plan to a kid with 4 years or less of eligibility. That is like telling an employee, man for the first 4 years you are gonna struggle but in Year 5 you will be rolling in the dough😂
 
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Not for nothing, but only Ohio and TCU had a better first half against Michigan then RU. Rutgers is going to have some big wins in the years ahead and we are really going to enjoy them. Big wins will lead to bigger seasons.
 
…..and our GOALS are delusional! In the B1G, our goal every year should be 6-6 and a bowl. Trying to demand more is simply unrealistic!!


Look at Iowa, pay attention to the size and speed of 7-5 Iowa!!

OSU put 54 points on Iowa!! Iowa beat MN W, and lost to IL. Put Iowa in the ACC and they might run the table.
 
It was actually one of the easiest B1G schedules we had in years. 3 top 25 teams. Usually is 4-5.

We signed up for this and then Barchi funded us like a Group of 5 program. Scum President.
This- even when we were getting partial, we still were under funded. Now that we are going to bring in a windfall each year- even minus the loan payment- tge team is funded like a G5.
It feels like the wife that worked 50 hrs a week and raised 4 kids so her husband could attend med school only to be dumped the day he becomes a doctor.
 
We aren’t even close.
I don’t think people realize not only that we aren’t close, we are never going to make it there with Schiano. College football is completely different now than before and he’s as stubborn as any coach ever created. You win in college now by scoring a ton of points and holding the opponent under 30. You need QBs and skill position players. We have none. Greg is not going to get 8 years to turn this around.
 
I don’t think people realize not only that we aren’t close, we are never going to make it there with Schiano. College football is completely different now than before and he’s as stubborn as any coach ever created. You win in college now by scoring a ton of points and holding the opponent under 30. You need QBs and skill position players. We have none. Greg is not going to get 8 years to turn this around.
I hate to say it but I don’t see it differently.

I was hoping he picked up a lot from Urban Meyer but I’m not seeing anything resembling what most teams are doing to move the football now.

That Sonny Dykes interview is a must read. It’s the model schools like us need to use to compete.

Complimentary football is antiquated. You need to score points. Just look at the last two games. TCU doesn’t get there without them. Defense needs to be good enough no doubt. Can’t have a USC turnstile like we saw against Utah. With the methods and schemes that have been created defenses are going to get scored on. No matter how good you are. You need to be able to put up points.

Seeing most of these bowl games, it’s like the B1G is stuck where the SEC was 10 years ago.

But it’s also clear B1G teams are starting to move away from meathead football too. We just aren’t one of them.
 
We wanted the Big 1o, now we want to complain about the schedule. Ok lets leave Kansas out of it, what about Illinois this year and what Nebraska has done compared to us in the last 4 weeks, is that off base?
The schedule doesn't matter when you're bad. Take out Ohio State and Michigan and replace them with mid-tier teams like Minnesota, Maryland or Iowa. Our team wasn't competitive against them, either. Even Nebraska was too much for them. You'd have to fill the schedule with Wagners and Indianas. You'd get more wins but that wouldn't change the fact that your team is still bad. Some people want wins--others want to be good. Those are not always the same things.
 
I hate to say it but I don’t see it differently.

I was hoping he picked up a lot from Urban Meyer but I’m not seeing anything resembling what most teams are doing to move the football now.

That Sonny Dykes interview is a must read. It’s the model schools like us need to use to compete.

Complimentary football is antiquated. You need to score points. Just look at the last two games. TCU doesn’t get there without them. Defense needs to be good enough no doubt. Can’t have a USC turnstile like we saw against Utah. With the methods and schemes that have been created defenses are going to get scored on. No matter how good you are. You need to be able to put up points.

Seeing most of these bowl games, it’s like the B1G is stuck where the SEC was 10 years ago.

But it’s also clear B1G teams are starting to move away from meathead football too. We just aren’t one of them.
When you hire a coach with a losing record , why would you all of a sudden think he would become a winner.
 
When you hire a coach with a losing record , why would you all of a sudden think he would become a winner.
If you take out the four years of Schiano V.1 in which he inherited a nuclear bomb of a program and went 12-30, you can make a very sane and reasonable conclusion that he has the ability to turn things around. Following the first four years, he went 56-33 the next eight years, got us to 6 bowls in those eight years, of which he went 5-1 in bowl games. Does that help explain why some people believe he might have the ability to be a successful coach? Fast forward to Schiano V.2 and he inherited the same nuclear bomb of a program and is facing many more hurdles than his first time around. And btw, I am not making this a pro/anti Schiano response, but some people really don't want to acknowledge the turn around Schiano V.1 orchestrated. And yes, if he were a better game day coach, V.1 could have had even more success.
 
This year's recruiting class was ranked near the bottom in our division, so exactly how are we building a talent base to compete with OSU, PSU, Michigan, etc.? Until we get a legitimate B1G HC who brings with him a stellar staff of recruiters we will continue to be B1G bottom feeders. Anyone who thinks a Greg Schiano coached team can successfully compete against the conference elite programs is living in a fantasy world.

By getting kids who are under-rated yet ready to impact, like Braithwaite. Lack of NIL support will be our biggest problem going forward. Hard for recruiters to recruit on a stellar level without it.
 
We have 3 automatic losses on the schedule every year with OSU, PSU and Mich. Similar to the old BE days with Miami, and some combo of VT, WVU, and/or Cuse. We’re basically in a spot where we need to win all 3 OOC games each year and then need to find a way to 3 B1G wins just to be .500 and Bowl eligible. Tough sledding.
 
The divisons may be unbalanced, but TBH we haven't performed well against any B10 comp. Since 2014:

Big Ten Overall 13-66 (.165)
Big Ten East 9-45 (.167)
Big Ten West 4-21 (.160)
 
We aren’t close talent wise, and our coaching philosophy of wanting to win old school 13-10 isn’t adapting to reality. It is the sheer definition of insanity.

There is 1 only Iowa, and they are far more talented than RU, and don’t play in the East division.
 
The divisons may be unbalanced, but TBH we haven't performed well against any B10 comp. Since 2014:

Big Ten Overall 13-66 (.165)
Big Ten East 9-45 (.167)
Big Ten West 4-21 (.160)
.165 winning percentage!! Yikes !
If we just hired some bum off the street in 2015 , I am not sure how much worse we could have been the last 8 seasons.
 
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I think we will get to 20 BIg wins before 100 BIG losses. . But I am not sure we get to 30 wins before 100 losses
 
Beyond the B10 from 2014 (Inc. BOWLS)

OOC 20-8 (.714)
P5 5-6 (.455)
G5 8-2 (.800)
FCS 7-0 (1.000)

Ignoring FCS we.are 13-8 (.619) against FBS schools. We are a mediocre at best FBS program competing in top to bottom one of the 2 toughest conferences.
 
The most sobering statistic: We have been shutout THIRTEEN times in Big Ten play since joining in 2014. 13 times in 9 seasons. No other school is even close to that.
 
Actually we've been shutout 14x in Big Ten play...

2014 Wisconsin 0 37
2016 Ohio State 0 58
2016 Michigan 0 78
2016 Mich.State 0 49
2016 Penn State 0 39
2017 Ohio State 0 56
2017 Indiana 0 41
2019 Iowa 0 30
2019 Michigan 0 52
2019 Indiana 0 35
2019 Mich.State 0 27
2021 Penn State 0 28
2022 Minnesota 0 31
2022 Maryland 0 37
 
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