outside firm assisting in coach search
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NOT EVEN SURE I WANT HIM ANYMORE rutgersguy1....take AG...LET HIM WITHER AS EVERYONE ELSES 2ND OR 3 RD CHOICE.
Wow, this is so sad. I hope you are not a Rutgers graduate.
I don't have a sarcasm sensor. So what you are saying is that the post was some kind of joke. That is even more sad.
Search firms and search committees are completely different animals. For most university hires at a high level, both are used.
Search firms are professional head hunters. They reach out to potential candidates to assess their interest. The firm we are using no doubt knows of every job that is open and every coach who might be looking or persuadable to be looking. They have the knowledge that does not exist within RU (or any university for that matter). Knowing who is out there who might be attracted to RU is their profession. Unless we knew that there were just a small handful of guys who we might possibly hire, we would be nuts not to use one. When you get down to the guy you want, they are also responsible for looking for warts.
A search committee is a group put together by the university to whittle the candidates down to a small group, and in some occasions, to make a recommendation to the higher ups (who those people are depends on the level of the search). The only costs associated with search committees are bagels and coffee for the meetings, and occasionally, sending folks out to the airport for a preliminary interview.
I doubt seriously that we are using a search committee, but we'd be nuts not to have hired a search firm. I've sat on search committees at RU, and I've been recruited by search firms (sadly, never for a coaching position). All just how the game is played.
Search firms are professional head hunters. They reach out to potential candidates to assess their interest. The firm we are using no doubt knows of every job that is open and every coach who might be looking or persuadable to be looking. They have the knowledge that does not exist within RU (or any university for that matter). Knowing who is out there who might be attracted to RU is their profession. Unless we knew that there were just a small handful of guys who we might possibly hire, we would be nuts not to use one. When you get down to the guy you want, they are also responsible for looking for warts.
A search committee is a group put together by the university to whittle the candidates down to a small group, and in some occasions, to make a recommendation to the higher ups (who those people are depends on the level of the search). The only costs associated with search committees are bagels and coffee for the meetings, and occasionally, sending folks out to the airport for a preliminary interview.
I doubt seriously that we are using a search committee, but we'd be nuts not to have hired a search firm. I've sat on search committees at RU, and I've been recruited by search firms (sadly, never for a coaching position). All just how the game is played.
Sigh....I'm actually making fun of Cali and their ilk who have always hated Julie for being an out gay woman. Look at like...every other post ive made on this subject.
We need a search firm, because until last week, Hobbs was the dean of a law school. He likely had no idea prior to being hired who the available candidates are. By putting a political appointee in place, we have no knowledge, and therefore require professional help.
Its possible they reached out to Schiano and were turned down, or maybe they don't want to go int hat direction, but after that, I would imagine they realized pretty quickly that they are about a month behind the curve. Other teams have spent the last several weeks preparing for what they wanted to do.
Its possible they reached out to Schiano and were turned down, or maybe they don't want to go int hat direction, but after that, I would imagine they realized pretty quickly that they are about a month behind the curve. Other teams have spent the last several weeks preparing for what they wanted to do.
Scarletwoman! Why so serious? Since the Rutgers community openly loves all people, his joke is very sarcastic saying we don't need gays or women folk because it is soooo not true.
A national search firm vetted Hermann, did it not?
I was a supporter of her tenure until the very minute she was let go, but whomever we hired to vet the AD hire did an atrocious job ... or did an amazing job, was ignored by Barchi and the BOG, and forwarded their findings to Sports Illustrated the moment after they realized no one bothered to check to confirm that they actually signed their NDA.
I couldn't find it, so I am wrong about the Tuesday announcement.
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Exactly. It's an outside firm hired by the school that identifies candidates based on the criteria given them in this case probably by Barchi or Hobbs, does back round checks, etc. All the stuff you can't do yourself. They are nothing like nor do they make decisions like the Sweeney group.
A search firm is simply a vehicle for back channel inquiries. This way both sides can maintain plausible deniability and save face if nothing comes of it. It allows coaches employed elsewhere to express interest in an open position without communicating directly with the school. Schools can also create a target list and the search firm will reach out to gauge interest. This helps keep the names from going public. Pretty standard practice with any executive search, which this essentially is.
I can't tell if some people are seriously freaking out that RU hasn't hired a coach yet or are just kidding. Did anybody really expect a coach hired in 24 hours? There are schools who fired their coaches weeks ago (Maryland, Miami, etc.) who haven't hired a new coach yet.
yes, Barchi and Hobbs will be spending all their time doing google searchers........
good lord -
good lord -
Actually, they could just get the info they need from this board. Works for the SL.
Except for the fact that I don't hate her and could care less what she does with her girlfriend . I do hate that she was hired because of her sexuality and gender. That is never right.
Just because you don't recognize it doesn't mean it isn't so. Hopefully people like you become enlightened enough at some point to be able to recognize deficiencies simply because they are there, without using gender or sexuality as a crutch not to. Maybe your kids, kids, kids...
Every NFL team uses a search firm now. The pool of possible NFL head coaches is about 1/12 of what the college pool is. NFL GMs live and breathe the sport for 20 hours a day, 50 weeks a year. Hiring a search firm does not indicate that the Hobbs is lost. It indicates he is a professional.
You guys need to take a breathe and step back from the ledge.
You guys need to take a breathe and step back from the ledge.
You need to use a search firm. You can't have Pat Hobbs or his secretary calling potential candidates to gauge their interest in the job. Do you really want a dozen potential candidates to say they were called by Rutgers and they turned us down? A search firm has a staff of people who can work through multiple channels to contact candidates without divulging who the search is for until there is some real interest ... e.g, "i'm calling about a P5 school ... a Big Ten school .... an eastern Big Ten school .... Rutgers"
Exactly. It's just the way it's done--unless you are a school that isn't likely to get turned down ala Texas, Notre Dame or USC.
If you have $5M to spend and can send your AD out to a guy's house in the department Lear jet, then you handle the search yourself. Otherwise, you use a search firm.
I would guess that even USC, UND, and Texas use search firms to make initial contact. Then the AD get on a Lear jet.
There are exceptions, of course. Rutgers doesn't need a search firm to call Schiano. And if Richt said he'd love to live near NYC, you just call him.
There are exceptions, of course. Rutgers doesn't need a search firm to call Schiano. And if Richt said he'd love to live near NYC, you just call him.
I don't know "Cali and his ilk", but it has been widely suggested that sexual orientation played a role (the amount has been debated) in the selection of the last AD. Might I suggest that the sexual orientation should be irrelevant with respect to the selection of the next AD, and coach for that matter. Just get the most qualified person for the job that will accept the compensation and environment they will have to deal with.
- if you hear Richt say that in the media - you call your headhunter and ask when Coach Richt's appointment is scheduled.
I am not sure why you need a search committee ? Someone to blame if it goes off the rails? Look at how well Julie was vetted with a committee. I swear they do these thing as political payback.
Leavos has been riding the guys who bring up gender, sexuality, Kate Sweeney, agendas, political correctness, etc. in every Julie discussion for months. It was totally tongue in cheek and meant as sarcasm.
It's not just interacting with the candidates. It's doing background checks on candidates.
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