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Penn State recruiting question
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Bro, your coordinator left for a lateral move to get off franklins sinking ship. The damage is already done. You have a joke of a head coach and the fact that you're completely locked out of nj shows that. Good luck with your shitty season..too bad you can't have good expectations since Franklin won't be there for the long haul. He's a joke.
So you went from Hack's "comments" to a defensive coordinator taking an SEC job that better positions him in 2016 to springboard into a head coaching position as evidence that Franklin is captaining a sinking ship? This pains me to say, but as of 2016, moving from Penn State to Tennessee is not a lateral move. Tennessee is in a better situation right now.
To bring this back to recruiting, Penn State's class is currently ranked 3rd in the B1G by average star ranking - and just barely behind Michigan for 2nd - and the team is very much alive in the recruitment of a number of highly ranked players. Talk to me in November, and we'll see if Franklin's still afloat. For now, I'd recommend you calm down.
Talk to me in December, when the top recruits of your class are picked off by schools that still have a coach. We won't have that issue as these kids are committing to Ash who has a guaranteed 4-5 years.
I am calm..because I don't have to deal with us having a shitty coach like Franklin who is talked about rather poorly in NFL circles..they very much know that he is a joke of a game day coach.
The bad press is out there on hack..if it wasn't affecting things then you'd have more commits from guys in nj. Didn't Gary last year have a terrible visit to psu? Top notch recruiting right there. Truly just breathtaking.
What would you like to bet that Franklin is still Penn State's coach come December 31?
The question is another 6-7 win season enough to keep Franklin? Or if they have a losing season?
I don't have to bet anything, cause I win if that shit-tastic coach gets another year at your school. He is no threat on the recruiting trail because of all of the bad press associated with him.
He seriously blocked beat writers on Twitter? The bleeding from his vagina must have been intense that day..jeez..
Yeah, this is also part of it. Why is Tennessee in such a better situation right now with former-Big East coach Butch Jones than you guys are with former-SEC coach James Franklin? Tennessee hasn't won double digit games since 2007, and have gone 49-56 since then with just 3 winning seasons. You guys haven't had a losing season since 2004.
I would imagine Franklin's seat is warming up pretty quickly at this point, and he needs to deliver more than just pretty words to recruits.
Makes sense that top recruits are taking something of a wait-and-see attitude.
You did the smart thing by not making that bet. Penn State just gave every assistant coach and the entire strength and conditioning staff a guaranteed two-year contract extension. Coaching stability heading into 2017 is not a question.
Now, if you tell me PSU goes 6-6 this fall and follows that up with another mediocre season in 2017, then we can start talking about the next coach. But for now the talk about Franklin being fired during the upcoming off-season is a waste of everyone's time.
Now, if you tell me PSU goes 6-6 this fall and follows that up with another mediocre season in 2017, then we can start talking about the next coach. But for now the talk about Franklin being fired during the upcoming off-season is a waste of everyone's time.
UT's situation is better because it has built itself back up through great recruiting and is now primed to enter the season as a top-10 team and the SEC East favorite. They're essentially a year or two ahead of where PSU hopes to be in terms of stringing strong recruiting classes together and watching young talent come together at the same time.
And as it relates to Shoop specifically, he just sent three DL to the NFL and would be dealing with limited depth up front and at LB. It's likely that PSU's defense would not have been as good as the 2015 version regardless of who the DC was. Instead, he's takes over a loaded unit at UT, where, if the program lives up to expectations this fall, he'll be in line for a HC job someplace in 2017. His coaching stock was high, and he took an opportunity with a team that can compete for titles right now. I don't blame him.
I think it's simply due to the fact:
- Shoop's from Tennessee
- PSU defense will be taking a step back this year
- Tennessee's defense will be taking a step forward this year
- Shoop wants to be a head coach, so he'll be at Tennessee for a year or 2 tops
"I would imagine Franklin's seat is warming up pretty quickly at this point, and he needs to deliver more than just pretty words to recruits." no doubt....his seat is luke warm...not hot.
a 6 win season (or less) this year?....his seat will be on fire
Shoop's a PA native. Maybe you're referencing the time he spent in Tennessee previously while the staff was at Vandy?
If Franklin gets six wins he's gone. A buyout is not gonna change that. The fact that you need to do a two year extension to make it easier to convince recruits your HC won't be fired is not a good sign. We did the same with flood. If you're telling me that six wins would guarantee another year from the mediocre head coach Franklin I would be ecstatic.
The best part of your team, your DC, left. How you can be happy going forward stuns me. Didn't he have a buyout too? Yea that REALLY helped..
See you this fall...
Seriously, though, with a team this young, a rookie QB, an OL in flux, two new coordinators, and a relatively tough schedule, Penn State - which has always been patient with its coaches - isn't firing James Franklin, with three years left on his deal, for going 6-6 in 2016. So we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Well, you guys did pretty well in recruiting the last three years, too: 24th nationally, 15th nationally, and 19th nationally. Tennessee was 7th, 4th, and 14th in the same span. So, while they were a bit better overall, you also pulled in three Top 25 classes...
If you're just a year behind them, I'm not sure why they'd be considered so much more attractive for a DC.
Personally, I'm hoping Franklin continues to struggle and that you guys continue to retain him.
Tennessee is back because they are buying the best recruiting classes they can afford. See Ole Miss.
No I won't..you aren't gonna be showing your face with more of loser Franklin.
Honestly I think the verdict is still out on Franklin. Even the most die-hard PSU fan has to admit it's somewhat alarming that he's already got two new coordinators heading into only year 3. Part of the brilliance of the Paterno staffs was that there was a lot of continuity year in and year out. Let's see how the offense does with the new OC and Hackenberg out of the picture. I realize that the OL has been the major issue and that takes time to rebuild (it took us almost 4 seasons to rebuild ours after our disaster of an OL in 2010) so I don't necessarily see JF's seat as being hot. PSU will likely win 7 or 8 games and he will be back next year. Question is does he ever make the jump beyond that 7-8 win mark and what happens if he doesn't? Will Ruhle stay at Temple and wait for PSU or does he take the next attractive Power 5 job? Would you guys even want Ruhle?
Taking the classes of 2012-2016, UT's average ranking was 14th, PSU's was 25th. UT brought in 55 four- and five-star players over that span, PSU brought in 37. UT had two top-10 classes, PSU had none. I also think it's fair to say the average player from UT's traditional recruiting areas is at a higher level than the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic, given the trends in where NFL players come from. PSU has improved its recruiting dramatically under Franklin, but make no mistake, UT's roster is more talented. PSU needs to show some progress on the field, to bump recruiting from the teens to the top-10, and then it will be ready to make a similar jump.
Great strategy by Flood killing 2 birds when he decided to throw the Penn St game last year, solidifying Franklin's place at PSU while cementing the start of the Ash era.
The difference in recruiting for the last 2 years with Franklin is because he was expected to do more and turn the program around. Another point is that he is having more difficulty with recruiting in NJ and Maryland since they have new coaches that know how to recruit and coach. Penn State has to move to new areas like Virginia and Ohio for recruiting to get their 4 star recruits. They are waiting on higher rated recruits but they may not be as successful again better teams like Georgia, Michigan or Ohio State.
Franklin isn't go to be fired after this season because there's not enough disgruntled fans yet. It takes 3-4 years before they decide to change coaches just like it took time to get rid of Flood. The fans won't be satisfacted anymore with 7-8 wins seasons and they expect to be competitive with Michigan or Ohio State but they won't be competitive against them.
I agree that the jury is out, but a few points:
The word "alarmed" is a little dramatic IMO. Shoop left for a better job, and Donovan clearly wasn't cut out for this level. The rest of the staff has been remarkably stable since Franklin's time at Vandy. Shoop's replacement was a co-DC, and Donovan's appears to be a huge upgrade. In a sense, in fact, I think Franklin's future at PSU is largely tied to the success or failure of Joe Moorhead.
Paterno's assistants were loyal to the program, no doubt, but that was a two-way street that also served as a hindrance at times, especially later in Paterno's tenure, when assistants who clearly weren't carrying their weight would still be safe in their positions.
I agree with you about the likelihood of PSU having moderate success this season and Franklin remaining with the program. I think the answer to the second part of your question, about breaking through to the 10-win area, lies in recruiting. This staff has shown its prowess in that arena, and I think if PSU manages to go 8-4 in 2016, win a bowl game, and do so playing an exciting brand of offense, the flood gates of 4- and 5-star recruits could open.
Time will tell.
The man had an ingenious strategy that will not be realized by most people. He even planned his suspension because he did not want to be on the field at Happy Valley last year--he would not have been able to contain his laughter as his diabolical plot unfolded.
All the credit of our recent recruiting success are belong to him.
Yes. And the offense was successful there, but coaching at a place like PSU is a different animal entirely than coaching at Vandy.
I should have been more clear. Donovan probably isn't as bad of a coach as he showed in his two years at PSU. His hands were tied by the QB and OL, no question, but his play-calling left much to be desired at times.
well, I could argue he is indeed turning the program around. he's re-loading the roster. heck...even Dantonio went 6-7 his 3rd season at MSU.....he's sitting pretty right now recruiting left & right.
in addition to poor play on the field, Harbaugh's a huge reason why NJ's been more difficult to recruit recently. and yes....excitement with a new coach (Ash) has limited us as well (Clark & Melton to be specific).
2017 is truly Franklin's make or break year....so, we'll see.
question for ya
obviously, it wouldn't have hurt if Flood & Carroo were at the game last year, but do Rutgers' fans believe the outcome would've been different?
One other note on the coaching changes at PSU this season:
Moorhead, the new OC, is a former head coach. Tim Banks, the new secondary coach, is a former DC. Matt Limegrover, the new OL coach, is a former OC.
The staff in general, and the OC role in particular, has plenty of experience, which will hopefully allow Franklin to do what he does best, which is be the CEO-type head coach.
Moorhead, the new OC, is a former head coach. Tim Banks, the new secondary coach, is a former DC. Matt Limegrover, the new OL coach, is a former OC.
The staff in general, and the OC role in particular, has plenty of experience, which will hopefully allow Franklin to do what he does best, which is be the CEO-type head coach.
All kidding aside, the biggest question mark in most RU fan's minds entering the 2016 B1G season is who to root for in the PSU vs Michigan game.
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Agreed, but they have a strong denial impulse over there.
Sure assistant coaches matter but probably not as much as we typically think. Despite his hypocrisy I think it was really about the old man. Did having Sandusky or Anderson around for so long matter that much? If having good assistants was so important why'd he have his dope son and Mike "I need to make a long touch down throw at the end of a game to beat the spread" McQuery on his staff?
The tl;dr version of this thread is:
It's June 29, and PSU's recruiting this cycle will be just fine.
It's June 29, and PSU's recruiting this cycle will be just fine.
That's funny because the Rutgers fans that supported Flood was saying that Flood was a CEO type of head coach. Franklin is from the offensive side but he's no expert and depends on a new OC. This was the same with Flood. I always criticized Flood because we won the first season solely on the defense but when the Schiano players left the defense sucked. When Franklin loses the defensive players from the previous regime, will they suck?
Saban. Jimbo. Meyer.
The head coach needs to be a strong Xs & Os guy if you want to win a national title.
Unless: You're Gene Chizik and have Malzahn as an assistant coach, a motivated Nick Fairley anchoring the D, and some guy named Cam Newton under center
or: You're Larry Coker and have:
Andre Johnson
Sean Taylor
Kellen Winslow II
Bryant McKinnie
Antrel Rolle
Jonathan Vilma
Jeremy Shockey
Jerome McDougle
Phillip Buchanon
D. J. Williams
Vernon Carey
Vince Wilfork
Willis McGahee
Ed Reed
William Joseph
Mike Rumph
Kelly Jennings
Rocky McIntosh
Clinton Portis
Roscoe Parrish
Frank Gore
Andrew Williams
Rashad Butler
Leon Williams
Martin Bibla
Jamaal Green
Orien Harris
Najeh Davenport
Matt Walters
Marcus Maxey
James Lewis
Chris Myers
Darrell McClover
Alfonso Marshall
Daryl Jones
Joaquin Gonzalez
Ken Dorsey
Carlos Joseph
The head coach needs to be a strong Xs & Os guy if you want to win a national title.
Unless: You're Gene Chizik and have Malzahn as an assistant coach, a motivated Nick Fairley anchoring the D, and some guy named Cam Newton under center
or: You're Larry Coker and have:
Andre Johnson
Sean Taylor
Kellen Winslow II
Bryant McKinnie
Antrel Rolle
Jonathan Vilma
Jeremy Shockey
Jerome McDougle
Phillip Buchanon
D. J. Williams
Vernon Carey
Vince Wilfork
Willis McGahee
Ed Reed
William Joseph
Mike Rumph
Kelly Jennings
Rocky McIntosh
Clinton Portis
Roscoe Parrish
Frank Gore
Andrew Williams
Rashad Butler
Leon Williams
Martin Bibla
Jamaal Green
Orien Harris
Najeh Davenport
Matt Walters
Marcus Maxey
James Lewis
Chris Myers
Darrell McClover
Alfonso Marshall
Daryl Jones
Joaquin Gonzalez
Ken Dorsey
Carlos Joseph
dude...PSU could be playing the Shiites...and Rutgers fans will be drooling like Pavlos dog to see PSU go down.
i mean...someone correct me if I'm wrong, but there is absolutely NO opponent out there that'll have Rutgers pulling for PSU...lol.
Not in the result, but maybe the score. Flood never really showed himself to be a great game day coach, or one who would make adjustments-don't think adjustment was in his vocabulary.
Nobody can deny the impact of Carroo on RU's offense. When he was in games, it was a whole different dynamic.
x's and O's aside, the team had to be mentally reeling early in the season with the arrests and then Flood's suspension. Yeah, they are supposed to shut it out and focus on the game, but there was a lot to think about early last season. Taking it all into account, still think RU would have lost the game by at least 10 points.
