Peter Kiss
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Very confident staff made right move with Mclung. He struggles to take his hs opponents off the dribble. The d- will be tough. He is a great worker thoug and will find success. Good luck to him.
The staff made what move? He decommited and we haven't replaced him with a PG since. Are you saying the staff cooled on him and let him go? Is that just revisionist history?
this Kiss fellow is one tough read i don't think he or the coaching staff knows what it has in what kiss can bring to the team expect that this potential is greater than anyone we can get at this point
I have a friend who went to Quinipiac. He thought we got a "steal" with Kiss and hated losing him then, after watching us play a lot early in the season, sent a text saying "Kiss is perfect for your your style of play and exactly the kind of shooter you guys need." FWIW.
All I am saying is that I am happy McClung decommited I don’t know anything that happened behind the scenes. I am confident in staff going forward. That’s it.
Exactly. Watch almost any other game and everybody else has better wings than us. Not just talking about the top 25. Somebody has to become an offensive threat for us to move up the ladder.
In a recent Washington Post article, it said McClung committed to RU sight unseen and then realized it wasn't a fit for him when he showed up for a visit. We need to be careful how we phrase things: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...low-him-to-georgetown/?utm_term=.306f4480f17f
I'll take that bet. What are your parameters? McClung looks pretty spectacular right now. Barring injury to either, I'm guessing we hear a lot more about McClung (currently on the front page of WaPo) than we do about Kiss. I wish it weren't so, but I think McClung will be a mini-version of Saquon -- the one that got away.
I think a lot of people are assessing how kiss is going to fit into our team based on how he did at Quinnipiac. While that makes a lot of sense, remember that he will have had a full year under our coaching staff.
And look at what they have done with our other players. So, my point is I think this kid is going to contribute more than a lot of people think.
And look at what they have done with our other players. So, my point is I think this kid is going to contribute more than a lot of people think.
Skillet,
I know you are in NZ. I just don't see McClung performing high at the next level. His HS competition is very mediocre, and they have only played a couple decent teams. Much like Justin Goode who was deadly against weak competition in HS, but it could never translate due to whatever.
Well see what happens. If you come to a game at the RAC, we could place a friendly wager on 16 Handles that Kiss will have a better year next year than McClung when looking at PPG and RPG.
I see this program as going up regardless, much like every one else. There are a lot of good kids out there that I am sure the program will acquire.
Great point. Competitors as this level get better than kids who just rely on genetics, and just putting in the required amount of work. Someone like Kiss will help because he is a worker. When he first got here, I thought he would get around 7-10 ppg in the BIG ten. I still think that will be the case. The amount of guard competition in the program for next year will allow many to get better and compete.
I'll be very happy if you are right and I am wrong. I just see this kid (McClung) as the ultimate gym rat with a freakish ability to jump. No look passes, tough as nails, etc. As a pg, he isn't likely to have as many rpg as a wing, but let's put apg in there as well. BTW, I don't know what G'town has next year by way of a pg. Will this kid be behind someone?
Me too! Sounds good. There is likely a chance he is behind someone. It is weird too that McClungs AAU team didn't always have him play PG. They moved him off the ball. I hope he does well. I am just okay with him not coming here. I think RU can find someone else to fit the part a little better.
I'm all for that. He just seems like one of those kids who becomes an instant fan favorite. But he doesn't necessarily look like a great shooter. In all honesty, neither does Kiss. His practice tape shows him missing quite a few. Also, why practice shooting two pointers just inside the three point arc? Wouldn't that be the shot that has the lowest ROI?
Not if his fg % was mysteriously 50% higher from there than 3 point land.
I agree. His shot leaves something to be desired. With Kiss, similar to Baker, he is constantly going about improving his game. That cannot be said for every D1 athlete obviously.
I have a strong feeling that what Kiss could be relied upon to do is play hard(like Mike Williams) consistently, get to the rim, get in transition, play above average defense, and have swagger that contributes to winning. He is exactly the player needed to rebuild.
His best scoring attributes on the banks will be his lay up making capability, and his free throws. Just being very realistic. I do think he improves his 3 pt shot from time at Quinn. He just won't shoot it at 35%.
I am excited for next year and what these kids can bring. The trend will continue. Rutgers Basketball, buy buy buy.
I was talking to someone at RU who is around the team before the season started and the quote I got was.
"We are excited about the Frosh Baker, think he can really help us next year. But the best of who we brought in was the transfer Kiss. Think he had star potential."
I've been super excited for him ever since then (my son ran over to get his autograph the moment the heard that line haha).
I watched some more tape on Kiss last night.
Takeaways:
He is not a flashy scorer at all times. He does know how to get his defender out of position, and finish in a simple, clean fashion. He plays with a solid IQ. Shoots free throws well, proper form.
He will be an engaged defender, and be average to above there.
His set 3pt shot at QU had proper form, but it was a bit slow. Now people have posted that recent video of him, and his shot looks like he has been putting effort into a quicker release, but it comes with time. Everybody wants to be a Steph Curry, and for some D1 athletes, the pursuit can possibly make your shot worse. I am sure Kiss is on his way by now to figuring his release out consistently.
His coach said he had to reel Kiss competitiveness in from time to time.
His improvement on the offensive end will come with having better shot selection, and being part of a team and not "The highest usage player on his page QU" team. Two very different things.
His offseason program of getting sturdier will help him even more when it comes to rebounding, and finishing in contact.
All in all, crucial player for a rebuild. I could see him scoring in the 8-10 ppg, and adding 4 rebounds on a consistent basis. Our guard situation will be fun to watch pan out.
Takeaways:
He is not a flashy scorer at all times. He does know how to get his defender out of position, and finish in a simple, clean fashion. He plays with a solid IQ. Shoots free throws well, proper form.
He will be an engaged defender, and be average to above there.
His set 3pt shot at QU had proper form, but it was a bit slow. Now people have posted that recent video of him, and his shot looks like he has been putting effort into a quicker release, but it comes with time. Everybody wants to be a Steph Curry, and for some D1 athletes, the pursuit can possibly make your shot worse. I am sure Kiss is on his way by now to figuring his release out consistently.
His coach said he had to reel Kiss competitiveness in from time to time.
His improvement on the offensive end will come with having better shot selection, and being part of a team and not "The highest usage player on his page QU" team. Two very different things.
His offseason program of getting sturdier will help him even more when it comes to rebounding, and finishing in contact.
All in all, crucial player for a rebuild. I could see him scoring in the 8-10 ppg, and adding 4 rebounds on a consistent basis. Our guard situation will be fun to watch pan out.
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Assuming Sanders comes back, I think Kiss will probably be around 8-9th in the rotation and get the 5th most minutes at the guard spot behind Sanders, Baker, Thiam, and Mathis. Probably around 10-12 min per game, and maybe around 5-6 pts and 2-3 rbs... more if Sanders doesn't come back.
If Sanders is back, I'd think Sanders/Baker would each grab 30 min, leaving 60 min to split between Thiam, Mathis, Kiss, and Harper. I'd imagine Thiam/Mathis would each get 20+, which would leave <20 for Kiss/Harper. Math changes a lot of Sanders' 30 minutes are up for grabs... but also would depend on who we got to replace him (e.g. Strickland).
If Sanders is back, I'd think Sanders/Baker would each grab 30 min, leaving 60 min to split between Thiam, Mathis, Kiss, and Harper. I'd imagine Thiam/Mathis would each get 20+, which would leave <20 for Kiss/Harper. Math changes a lot of Sanders' 30 minutes are up for grabs... but also would depend on who we got to replace him (e.g. Strickland).
Kiss plays more than Issa.....take it to the bank. Would be wrong if Issa pulls a Eugene and comes back ready to play minutes at a totally new position.
Time will tell. Thiam progressed from Freshman to Sophomore year, and should again from Sophomore to Junior year. I'd expect he'd continue to work on some of the things we saw added over the course of the year.... post moves, drives from the arc, head fakes for open shots or drives, improved defense.
I don't see anyone playing more than 25 min at the wing, though.
I was going to repy to FIG earlier but got distracted...then I saw this.
you wrote it better than I would have.
only thing I might add is rebounding as Thiam was solid (4.4 RPG) there...will be interesting to see how Kiss does in this dept.
We replace him with Shaq. We definitely traded up here. Also, the timing of the two moves appears that decommit was mutual (don't have any first hand knowledge).
Really? You learn never to say no or none. My daughter was one who an 8th grade teacher told us she had no scholastic aptitude. She is now a 4.0 student in college. Bottom line, everyone can improve if they desire.
Saying Thiam made no offensive improvement from FR -> SO is demonstrably wrong.
2P% from 44.8% to 48.1%
3P% from 30.1% to 37.9%
TO rate from 20.4% to 15.2%
Assist rate from 3.4% to 4.3%
Offensive rebounding percentage from 2.1% to 3.3% (granted these last two numbers aren't any good, but it's still improvement).
These are overall numbers but it holds true with conference-only numbers as well (except 2P% which stayed static, albeit more attempts this season).
Yes, he should have been able to be more involved in the offense given his minutes, and he became completely invisible on offense too much, but the improvement was there.
2P% from 44.8% to 48.1%
3P% from 30.1% to 37.9%
TO rate from 20.4% to 15.2%
Assist rate from 3.4% to 4.3%
Offensive rebounding percentage from 2.1% to 3.3% (granted these last two numbers aren't any good, but it's still improvement).
These are overall numbers but it holds true with conference-only numbers as well (except 2P% which stayed static, albeit more attempts this season).
Yes, he should have been able to be more involved in the offense given his minutes, and he became completely invisible on offense too much, but the improvement was there.
Check his ORtg from freshman to sophomore year (and while you're at it, his RB%s).
I agree with you that he's not at the level he needs to be right now as a starting wing (especially offensively) - but that doesn't mean he hasn't improved from his freshman year. He could mature into that player as a junior if that trajectory continues.
His biggest issue is mental - he needs more of a "demand the ball" mentality, because there's a good chance he's got a defensive mismatch every time down the court.
I think it's more of the fact that his shot is slower, so he rarely can shoot it, and the fact that he is not a big player, so he knows he will trouble driving. They are more physical problems.
Can he gain 15 pounds in the off season? Well see. Body types are different, and Thiam gains weight at a very slow rate. People in the country would kill to have his issues, lol.
Thiam played about zero minutes at guard this season. I have not seen Kiss other than highlights, but if he can swing between the 2 and 3 then Isaa will only impact minutes from Kiss as a "3".
Choppin....My son came home with a D on his test and I wasn't happy. He said, "Dad I got most of the questions I answered right." I asked him why he didn't finish the test he said, "A lot of those questions were hard so I didn't answer them because I didn't want to get them wrong."
You're moving the goalposts. His usage rate was roughly the same as his freshman year and his numbers improved across the board.
I think we all agree he disappeared too often for the amount of minutes he played, but the alternative was playing Souf, Jake, or Bullock, so...
Maybe moved the goalposts slightly....his usage did slip, but not much.
The 3 point attempts were not a goalpost movement
121 in 986 minutes this year
99 in 570 minutes last year
Let’s be real honest here. He is out there for 3 point shooting and he is afraid to take them. How many times did we see him pump fake an open look.
He is a passable defender against some opponents and effective one against others. All depends on matchups. I believe he had Mathias vs Purdue and did a very good job. Length was a factor and Issa is a willing defender. He has trouble with guys quick of the dribble as his lateral quickness is only so so.
I am not quite ready to give up on him. I have some theories on what might make him a more willing offensive player, but won’t post them until it unless it becomes applicable
The 3 point attempts were not a goalpost movement
121 in 986 minutes this year
99 in 570 minutes last year
Let’s be real honest here. He is out there for 3 point shooting and he is afraid to take them. How many times did we see him pump fake an open look.
He is a passable defender against some opponents and effective one against others. All depends on matchups. I believe he had Mathias vs Purdue and did a very good job. Length was a factor and Issa is a willing defender. He has trouble with guys quick of the dribble as his lateral quickness is only so so.
I am not quite ready to give up on him. I have some theories on what might make him a more willing offensive player, but won’t post them until it unless it becomes applicable
If you play solid defense chances are you will see a lot of PT. Unless Kiss is equal to Issa defensively or clearly superior offensively I don't believe for a minute he plays more minutes.
