Rutgers basketball: PJ Hayes, 'shot-maker,' is opening eyes
PJ Hayes has climbed from the D-2 ranks by sweating the small stuff. Now he's earning a role for Rutgers basketball.
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PJ Hayes, 'shot-maker,' is opening eyes
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Losing those 20lbs shows dedication and commitment. It should help him better keep up athletically out on the court as well. His shooting will be huge for us
Some skeptics in this thread. I think PJ shoots 40+% 3pt on good volume.
Do i need to break out the Oct 2023 Chol threads?
Ok but Hayes’ shooting has translated at every level, much better bet than Chol lol
Someone needs to screenshot this thread : comparing Hayes to Chol. Lol
Nice try, but that's ridiculous.
I never posted anything about Chol.
Hayes is a proven shooter at the collegiate level.
I've seen Hayes shoot very well in person, and in numerous video clips.
Any Pike-speak about Chol shooting prowess was simply a coach hyping up a late flier who obviously did not blossom into a high major player.
Come on man. Chol never played a game in college and was a late flyer. PJ has done nicely at the college level. I’m not saying he’s Cam, but there are plenty of guys who’ve done well at the lower levels of college coming up and having success.
No one had seen Chol shoot, because he had never shot a single ball at the college level.
Hayes shot .397 at San Diego last year on 184 attempts.
Apples and oranges.
You can be skeptical of his shooting without comparing him to a high school product without a single Div-I rep.
Well ... not exactly true that no one has seen PJ Hayes shoot - in games. Yes, not at RU.
But, here is a 4 minute clip of Hayes LAST season playing for San Diego, with comments at the top of the video (like where he makes the shots from, his ranking in various efficiency measures, etc):
FYI, last year, Hayes appeared to be particularly strong (88th percentile and 94th percentile) with scoring off the dribble hand off and scoring off the catch and shoot.
And while his league is not the Big Ten, San Diego DID play against some excellent teams ... though they did, in all honesty, lose most of those games (in 9 games vs the 4 best WCC teams: Gonzaga, Santa Clara, St. Mary's and San Francisco, San Diego was 1-8 ... though they beat Arizona St, also.
Hayes was San Diego's 3rd leading scorer (10.5 per game), and leading 3-point shooter by a margin (the most 3-poiunt attempts, and the best 3-point FG% ... he also shot 32-63 from 2-point range). He scored 23 points against Arizona St (5-12 on 3's, 6-14 overall FG and 6-7 FT) and 79% FT (only 2 FT per game).
Overall, in the 10 games against the 4 best WCC teams plus Arizona State, Hayes averaged 10.8 ppg (essentially the same as his overall season average of 10.5 ppg). He WAS less offensively efficient: 40% FG (34-85), 36% 3-point FG (22-61), 78% FT (18-23) ... the 3-point FG% at 36% in those 10 games against high quality opponents would have led RU, no?
Individually, he was 8-22 FG and 3-14 vs Gonzaga, 9-24 FG, 5-16 3-pointers in 3 games vs Santa Clara, 4-8 FG, 3-6 3-pointers vs St. Mary's, 7-17 FG, 5-13 3-pointer vs San Francisco.
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And Cam Spencer was the best shooter in the preseason before that one. He shot pretty well IMO
Maybe I am underestimating Hayes? Maybe he should be getting much more time than I think he will get? Maybe he is actually better offensively than Martini? Maybe he rivals Acuff offensively, though with a different style, of course? But at what position and for whom? I can't wait to begin to see how Pikiell puts the rotation together!
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Hayes and Chol are EXACTLY THE SAME!
Well... other than Hayes hit 73 3pters last season (73-184) and hit at least one in 29 of 32 games...
I would make a friendly message board bet that Hayes will average over 1 3pter made per game this season at 35+%. Only Hyatt hit over 1 per game last year, and he was at 31.2%.
Well... other than Hayes hit 73 3pters last season (73-184) and hit at least one in 29 of 32 games...
I would make a friendly message board bet that Hayes will average over 1 3pter made per game this season at 35+%. Only Hyatt hit over 1 per game last year, and he was at 31.2%.
Are we questioning Martini shooting at Princeton?? No.....
How on earth did Chol get added to this discussion is baffling. If Chol played last year and took almost 200 3s as a grad transfer, that's the appropriate comparison.
Martini and Hayes are here to help Ace and Dylan on catch and shoot opportunities.
How on earth did Chol get added to this discussion is baffling. If Chol played last year and took almost 200 3s as a grad transfer, that's the appropriate comparison.
Martini and Hayes are here to help Ace and Dylan on catch and shoot opportunities.
Stop double and tripling down. Sounding silly. Can’t compare the two, next
I am just saying every year we have a player hyped by the coaching staff and fans.
I am not saying Hayes will have a career like Chol. Just saying what you read about a player in October almost has ZERO value. Read Woolfolk’s articles from October 2023 or Reiber October 2022.
If I had a gun to my head and I had to pick that one….replacing per game played with games he was healthy i think I’d have to go under.
Probably better than 50% he shoots over 35% and probably better than 50% he makes 33 3 pointers. Slightly less than 50% he does both.
This is just a wild guess based on the facts we have.
Lets not forget we have a ton of players on paper fighting for minutes. In the end i expect, if all healthy, a player out of the rotation. Hayes could definitely be that guy.
Again wild guesses.
Baliey 32
Harper 32
JWill 28
JaMike 18
That leaves 50 for
Acuff
Dercack
hayes
Grant
Dortch
Martini as a 4. (Hope the 5 play allows this)
Probably a useless tidbit….bart has Hayes playing 12 MPG and averaging 3 PPG.
Bart also has Martini Sommerville playing a combined 34 minutes and no Ofobole. Obviously this is extremely unlikely to happen
I love these type of posts.
I do not think Williams will get as much as 28 mpg ... nor Davis as much as 18 mpg.
Gun to head, before the St. Johns game (which will NOT necessarily be indicative of minutes):
Haper - 30-32
Bailey - 30-32 (spot time at center - let's say 2 mpg, plenty of time at the 4)
Williams - 24
Martini - 24 (6 mpg at center)
Ogbole - 15
Sommerville - 15
That leaves (assuming 40 mpg at the 5, and 160 mpg at the other 4 slots):
1) 2 mpg at Center/the 5 (after 30 mpg from Ogbole/Sommerville, 6 mpg from Martini, 2 mpg from Bailey).
2) 58 mpg at the other non-center slots for reserves ... for Acuff, Davis, Hayes, Grant, Derkack and Dortch.
a) I suspect Dortch has very little role unless there are major injuries or major foul troubles at the 1-4 spots .... there just aren't minutes.
b) Grant, despite being shorter than Dortch, appears to be in line based on comments on his athleticism, aggressive rebounding style and occasional corner 3 shots, to get occasional spot minutes at the 5 (2 mpg?), and maybe occasional spot minutes at the 4? So maybe ... 4 mpg total?
c) That leaves 56 mpg for Davis, Acuff, Hayes and Derkack. More minutes open up if Ogbole and Sommerville combine for less than 30 mpg (Martini sliding to the 5 ... occasional Bailey at the 5 when not a bulky center opposing RU). It seems to me that a healthy Acuff would seem extremely likely to get at least 16 mpg ... leaving 40 mpg TOTAL for Hayes, Davis and Derkack ... and Grant and Dortch. Hayes and Davis maybe get 15 mpg each? Derkack 10 mpg?
Unless my math is totally wrong (i.e. not my player minutes distribution, but my actual math on the minutes).
Taking lion's post further.....
Looking at the various lineups that could be on the floor....
Knowing who are head coach is.....
Assuming Ogobole is not a 25 MPG shot blocking center.....
Knowing last year we had a defensive rebounding problem (although team has completely turned over)......
What players will Pike have a tough time NOT having in the game assuming what we think we know about players?
JaMike and Dercack
Acuff also was top 10 in the nation in scoring so i have to think some of that translates at this higher level.
A spot up shooter that makes open 3s may be needed, but how does he fit in a lineup looking to DREB and play defense?
I will repeat OVER and OVER.....playing defense in our program requires a lot more energy than at other places. Heart rate when on offense could be 10 BPM higher than player is accustomed to. If Hayes isn't knocking down shots I doubt he plays.
Looking at the various lineups that could be on the floor....
Knowing who are head coach is.....
Assuming Ogobole is not a 25 MPG shot blocking center.....
Knowing last year we had a defensive rebounding problem (although team has completely turned over)......
What players will Pike have a tough time NOT having in the game assuming what we think we know about players?
JaMike and Dercack
Acuff also was top 10 in the nation in scoring so i have to think some of that translates at this higher level.
A spot up shooter that makes open 3s may be needed, but how does he fit in a lineup looking to DREB and play defense?
I will repeat OVER and OVER.....playing defense in our program requires a lot more energy than at other places. Heart rate when on offense could be 10 BPM higher than player is accustomed to. If Hayes isn't knocking down shots I doubt he plays.
I am. Martini rebounded at Princeton like a guard. He played in the Ivy league and not the B1G. He could bas asked to play 15-20 minutes at center banging with 6'10''+ guys. I am not taking his 3pt FG% and putting that in ink here. I have to assume it goes a tick lower.
just looked at Merrimack last year....mirror image of us.
326th in offense
72nd on defense
best player shot 27.1% from 3.
shot 31.1% as a team
326th in offense
72nd on defense
best player shot 27.1% from 3.
shot 31.1% as a team
With those 2 5 star offensive studs adding offense may not be as important as surrounding them with defensive players. I think I would want Ace and Dylan not having to guard the opponents better players. Until proven otherwise I am going to guess defense and rebounding is not a strength of Hayes.
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Must play good defense and rebound
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