That would be bad business. Francis not good. RU not even sure they want him, it's like they are trying to convince themselves since he wants to come.
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I disagree with the analogy. I’m saying we spend the money on what matters most - a center. With real competitive center dollars - 1.5 mil.
I’m saying stretch the budget to buy the 1.5 mil house in the 1.5 mil neighborhood. Furnish it with stuff that is functional at a good value from wayfair, not restoration hardware (1.0mil sharp shooter. 500k guard that is defensive stopper).
I’m not saying we change the budget to something we don’t have, but I’d prioritize it differently.
Green seems to think the market is so inflated that a kid like Shaq Doorson would go for 800k plus. Goru is in the opposite camp - he thinks Ogbole is worth less than 100K. Both of those things both can’t be accurate. So your answer really depends on who is closer to right. In Goru’s world - 1.5M would get us a very good center. Green’s thinking not.
that’s a good point. I’m thinking we’re getting a top 25 center with 1.5. If that’s not the case then I would be more in grf’s camp.
I think top 40 Center for 1.5 million and I agree we need to get one.
And although I am glad Ogbole has returned, I just can’t see him making more than 250k max. What top 30 program looks at him as a back up center? He is closer to the third center on your team than a back up. (we have limited funds so he will be our backup, but that is also why I want to pay Big for the starter that can hopefully play 30 minutes.)
And although I am glad Ogbole has returned, I just can’t see him making more than 250k max. What top 30 program looks at him as a back up center? He is closer to the third center on your team than a back up. (we have limited funds so he will be our backup, but that is also why I want to pay Big for the starter that can hopefully play 30 minutes.)
Several comments - keep the quality comments coming, BTW!
First, on Francis. my opinion, for what it is worth (nothing to the coaching staff), is that Francis would be an ENORMOUS error of allocation of $$ if HE is one of the top 3 players RU brings in from the portal, especially if he is one of the TWO necessary scoring and shooting WF/G's RU MUST have. If he is the 4th player in importance brought in, that may be fine - as long as he is budgeted accordingly, as a "specialist" to bring scoring spark off the bench. If he is brought in as RU's starting 2G (and there are no circumstances he is a PG - neither in skillset nor style nor inclination), that would be a VAST error, worse than the roster construction of last season. RU would then have a 6'0" SHOOTING guard who is not a great defensive player separate from being too short. and would have to pair him with a combo of Davis and Mark at PG - each 6'2" - awful in the Big 10. Having a 6'2" PG is okay, IF YOU PAIR IT WITH a taller 2G for defensive purposes.
Second, in re the poster saying we only want a mid-level Big 10 team - and not a top level Big 10 team. As has been poointed out, that poster is missing the points:
a) A mid-level Big 10 team would be a STEP UP from the last 2 seasons, though below where RU was 3 and 4 years ago when RU placed 4th - 6th in the Big 10 standings (through grind it out, gritty, rock fight defense and rebounding, sprinkled with clutch shooting from Ron Harper).
b) We should ASPIRE to being an upper level Big 10 program - but that is not going to happen overnight - not until RU figures out how to optimize its player $$ budget to create an identity - and retaining key players plus adding pieces that fit - to create SOME sustainability in the program, some retention of existing players that can develop from year to year. SOME teams will be able to do that. A team like RU will likely never have the $$ to retool its entire roster every year. So RU has to develop the $$ and the coaching staff that can retain at least some key players from year to year and develop them.
c) For THIS year, the grim reality is that for RU to assemble a team of players, and for the coaching staff to coach them up to finish in the top 10 of the Big 10 standings - presumably at least a remote CHANCE at the NCAA bubble, would be a GREAT outcome.
So ... more on Francis and the past season performance by him ... yes, he averaged 19 ppg and 32% 3-point shooting, and he did score his 19 point scoring average or more points 17 times. BUT:
1) There was not ONE SINGLE GAME he made even 50% of his FG's ... repeat: NOT ONE GAME.
2) In 15 (FIFTEEN!) games, as a GUARD, he had as many or more turnovers as he had assists.
3) Against the best teams NJIT faced, Francis did generally score, but in those games (let's say vs the top 3 teams in the AEC, so vs Bryant (2x) Vermont (2x), and Maine (2x), plus vs Villanova), Francis totaled: 39-101 FG (39% - actually a fraction better than his overall FG% ... ugh), 15-54 from 3 (28%), and was 15-17 FT ... a total of 108 points, averaging 15.5 ppg in those 7 games ... team record was 0-7 in those 7 games ... team losing by an average of 16 points per those 7 games.
First, on Francis. my opinion, for what it is worth (nothing to the coaching staff), is that Francis would be an ENORMOUS error of allocation of $$ if HE is one of the top 3 players RU brings in from the portal, especially if he is one of the TWO necessary scoring and shooting WF/G's RU MUST have. If he is the 4th player in importance brought in, that may be fine - as long as he is budgeted accordingly, as a "specialist" to bring scoring spark off the bench. If he is brought in as RU's starting 2G (and there are no circumstances he is a PG - neither in skillset nor style nor inclination), that would be a VAST error, worse than the roster construction of last season. RU would then have a 6'0" SHOOTING guard who is not a great defensive player separate from being too short. and would have to pair him with a combo of Davis and Mark at PG - each 6'2" - awful in the Big 10. Having a 6'2" PG is okay, IF YOU PAIR IT WITH a taller 2G for defensive purposes.
Second, in re the poster saying we only want a mid-level Big 10 team - and not a top level Big 10 team. As has been poointed out, that poster is missing the points:
a) A mid-level Big 10 team would be a STEP UP from the last 2 seasons, though below where RU was 3 and 4 years ago when RU placed 4th - 6th in the Big 10 standings (through grind it out, gritty, rock fight defense and rebounding, sprinkled with clutch shooting from Ron Harper).
b) We should ASPIRE to being an upper level Big 10 program - but that is not going to happen overnight - not until RU figures out how to optimize its player $$ budget to create an identity - and retaining key players plus adding pieces that fit - to create SOME sustainability in the program, some retention of existing players that can develop from year to year. SOME teams will be able to do that. A team like RU will likely never have the $$ to retool its entire roster every year. So RU has to develop the $$ and the coaching staff that can retain at least some key players from year to year and develop them.
c) For THIS year, the grim reality is that for RU to assemble a team of players, and for the coaching staff to coach them up to finish in the top 10 of the Big 10 standings - presumably at least a remote CHANCE at the NCAA bubble, would be a GREAT outcome.
So ... more on Francis and the past season performance by him ... yes, he averaged 19 ppg and 32% 3-point shooting, and he did score his 19 point scoring average or more points 17 times. BUT:
1) There was not ONE SINGLE GAME he made even 50% of his FG's ... repeat: NOT ONE GAME.
2) In 15 (FIFTEEN!) games, as a GUARD, he had as many or more turnovers as he had assists.
3) Against the best teams NJIT faced, Francis did generally score, but in those games (let's say vs the top 3 teams in the AEC, so vs Bryant (2x) Vermont (2x), and Maine (2x), plus vs Villanova), Francis totaled: 39-101 FG (39% - actually a fraction better than his overall FG% ... ugh), 15-54 from 3 (28%), and was 15-17 FT ... a total of 108 points, averaging 15.5 ppg in those 7 games ... team record was 0-7 in those 7 games ... team losing by an average of 16 points per those 7 games.
The problem is college players think they should be paid for accomplishing nothing. NIL is a scam.
I mean - the market is commanding it so it’s logical for them to have that expectation.
Once you realize everything is a scam, you see things more clearly. Capitalism is a scam, communism is a scam, at least in capitalism everyone has the opportunity to scam. The players were getting scammed before now they have an equal opportunity to scam. These colleges don't have to sign them but they want these players to play for their school in order to scam their conferences and fans, some fans and the big ten may say Rutgers scammed them. The conferences scam the networks and the networks scam the advertisers who pay for the right to advertise their scams to all of us. And we in turn get scammed into buying whatever they are selling. It is what it is..
