Please don't blame refs for MSU loss....
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We did what I said we could NOT do:
Outsvired is, I believe, 19-8 To open the half.
It’s stunning how bad our teams are, across-the-board, coming out of the halftime locker room. I hope the more I say this, the more of you catch on, because I’m not making this shit up!
Outsvired is, I believe, 19-8 To open the half.
It’s stunning how bad our teams are, across-the-board, coming out of the halftime locker room. I hope the more I say this, the more of you catch on, because I’m not making this shit up!
Please don’t ignore that Refs took us out of the game and shifted all momentum.
Can no longer stick head in the sand. Refs screwed us. Differential and no calls took us out of game at crucial point in the game. Winston pushing off. Gio pushed out of bounds. Refs wanting to give ball to MSU. Eugene never getting a call underneath.
We beat spread easily. Difference was the refs. Like it or not.
Please don’t say refs weren’t the difference.
Can no longer stick head in the sand. Refs screwed us. Differential and no calls took us out of game at crucial point in the game. Winston pushing off. Gio pushed out of bounds. Refs wanting to give ball to MSU. Eugene never getting a call underneath.
We beat spread easily. Difference was the refs. Like it or not.
Please don’t say refs weren’t the difference.
Refs did not “cost” us the game but they were terrible once again in key moments.
The terrible out of bounds on Harper and Gio push out we’re two of them. Also quite a few soft calls on Rutgers in the 2nd half.
The terrible out of bounds on Harper and Gio push out we’re two of them. Also quite a few soft calls on Rutgers in the 2nd half.
We hit a spot where about 4-5 calls went against us in a row, some of them really absurd... and MSU got back into it, the crowd got back into it, and the team folded.
There are going to be runs. Opponents will make runs of points, refs will make runs of bad calls.... you have to absorb it, put aside the frustration, and bounce back. We didn't.
Refs didn't cost us this game - but they definitely changed the energy in the early part of the 2nd half, and we couldn't handle it.
There are going to be runs. Opponents will make runs of points, refs will make runs of bad calls.... you have to absorb it, put aside the frustration, and bounce back. We didn't.
Refs didn't cost us this game - but they definitely changed the energy in the early part of the 2nd half, and we couldn't handle it.
this is our B1G Free throw stats: As "bad" as the reffing has seemed to be we've had more attempts. worth 19pts IF we had shot what our foes have. But how many of them were front end which would have been more shots? Not a ton of a difference imho but still very frustrating.
Made Att %
RU 176 276 63.8
Opp 189 267 70.8
RU 195 0.708 (if)
Diff. +19
That out of bounds call on Harper is just so unacceptable. Shit was ridiculous
Part of this is lesson learned
When the game is called loose...you need to know that a historically physical team like Michigan state is gojng to push those boundaries ...and you have to do the same and not back down.
Though we played soft in the second half and were bothered by the continued loose whistle...and you have to olay stronger and more physical to match
When the game is called loose...you need to know that a historically physical team like Michigan state is gojng to push those boundaries ...and you have to do the same and not back down.
Though we played soft in the second half and were bothered by the continued loose whistle...and you have to olay stronger and more physical to match
Refs did not cost us this game. They weren't great, but they never are. There was a spurt when the tide was turning where the calls were bad, but we folded in response. We still missed tons of layups in the second half. We still missed free throws. We still gave up 4 offensive rebounds on one possession. We still lost any flow to our offense. Simultaneously, one of the most talented teams in the country played really well on their home floor. Many things contributed to this loss. Refs are on the list, but no where near the top.
not true. we were up 11, and they went into action. they allowed MSU to play with impunity...6 fouls to 2 during that stretch. Did we miss layups? yup...you would also if you got hit in the head
look, take your head out of the sand. they went on a 20-4 run...and we were playing 5 on 8.
did we miss bunnies? yes. did we not roll with the high screen. yes. yes. yes, yes. we didn't play PERFECT basketball. can you believe it????
the point is...in a 10 min period (which is a QUARTER of the game), the game was decided. and the refs put their thumbs on the scale.
is it the only reason we lost? no. is it THE reason we lost. no. but it was a BIG reason we lost.
Don't forget the missed layups and Baker not scoring during Michigan State run.Rutgers has no go to scorers when opponents go on runs and that was readily seen in the second half.
There was a sequence of calls that had me groaning - it really felt like we were going to have to work twice as hard just to keep pace. And then once MSU was back in it, the calls evened back out and they went back to calling next to no contact. I was really irritated at the time, and hoping the team bounced back... but then MSU woke up and we collapsed, and any thought of the refs being a factor went out of my head.
Pathetic effort on the defensive end in the 2nd half
Can't rebound you lose
Msu had two big starters out and RU couldn't keep it closer
Can't rebound you lose
Msu had two big starters out and RU couldn't keep it closer
Sorry Bac but you can’t be more wrong. When game was on the line with crucial calls or no calls, so took us out of the game.
How many times did Winston push off as Dakitch winked at it?
Gio out of bounds? Harper?
Crucial points of game can not be ignored. What did we lose by? What was foul shot differential? Hmmmm! Throw in No calls?
Ridiculous!
we blew point blank layups when we were not fouled, we took horrible 3 point shots, we turned it over, we allowed MSU to outrebound us like 10-0, we didnt hustle, our coach had the wrong players in, we didnt play defense
those are the reasons why we lost...the run was 37-10, don't come here with that saying refs were a big reason why we lost
We boxed out. Rebounds were on long outside shots. It happens. No calls and foul differentials. 20 for 22. Hard to ignore. When game was on the line fouls and absence of fouls hurt. Make up fouls at end don’t compensate. Winston took over despite pushing off every play. Joke. Keep blaming RU a 16.5 under dog on the road.
We missed 8 free throws they missed 2. They dominated the boards. Those were the biggest factors. Refs weren't great but we got some really bad calls for us in the first half. MSU is ranked 10 for a reason, they're a great team even without 2 stars.
I am here. and I am saying that.
it was a big factor in the key run which flipped the score.
and yes, some of those other things are true also.
It's silly to deny the refs can affect the outcome of the game when they make obvious mistakes that directly lead to scoring. Most obvious one - out of bounds play off of Harper? Nope - and they score 2 pts from the FT line on the ensuing possession.
As stated above, Baker was clearly pushed out of bounds and fouled when we desperately needed something positive to stop the momentum. No call.
Can you remember any blatantly bad calls that went in our favor?
Winston was the best player on the floor (possibly B1G player of the year) so it's not a surprise he played a great second half. Can't deny he gets a more favorable whistle than Baker or Mathis does when they drive to the lane, though.
As stated above, Baker was clearly pushed out of bounds and fouled when we desperately needed something positive to stop the momentum. No call.
Can you remember any blatantly bad calls that went in our favor?
Winston was the best player on the floor (possibly B1G player of the year) so it's not a surprise he played a great second half. Can't deny he gets a more favorable whistle than Baker or Mathis does when they drive to the lane, though.
The score flipped when Johnson came in in the second half. He really hurt the team on D. He was out of position and lost Tilman repeatedly besides his lazy fouls. He was directly responsible for Tilman's mini run.
Eh...wasnt just him. Carter was lost on D also.
This is a great post.
Name 1 blatant call that we got tonight.
You can’t.
Name 1 call that went against us.
(Take your pick)
We had a decent lead, and were working hard to extend it.
When the refs take away our ability to do that, we have almost no chance in a game where our margin to pull the upset is razor thin.
Even if we played lights out, we had no chance when the refs are having a sandwich during the game.
Yesterday I read the ESPN article about the NBA referee point spread fixing scandal from 10+ years ago.
That is what it feels like is happening to us nearly every friggin game.
Iowa game was BS. This game was not too bad compared to previous times I’ve yelled at my TV screen.
Read what I wrote above
We didn’t respond well in the second half when the whistle was still very well
We didn’t respond well in the second half when the whistle was still very well
Some of you guys really need to give it a rest with the refs. Nobody likes a bad whistle and we get our fair share but that was an all around collapse in the second half. Even if we got more calls do you really like our chances to swing the game at the foul line? We stunk at both ends in the second half that was the issue. Our effort and execution was not good enough to get it done.
This is a good summary of how I felt. There were things we did well...things we didnt do well.
And yes, the refs played a noticable and affecting role...again!
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And yes, the refs played a noticable and affecting role...again!
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Refs did not cost us the game. But the out of bounds call, the force out of Baker, and the phantom foul on Kiss were all terrible calls, no calls. We get more than our share, there are terrible calls against us nearly every game and its becoming a real disgrace. Pikiell needs to keep working the refs hard as he has the last two games. But we also have to get tougher as a team.
Since there are so many factors in a hoops game it’s tough to pick one and say it const us the game—all contribute. lately I think that, as we play more close games, and last night was close for quite a while, getting hosed by refs hurts more.
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