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I really thought this thread would read Politi picks his .... nose.
Very disappointed.
Very disappointed.
I hate that I am agreeing with Politi these days; but he's beating the drum to get Flood canned. Comparing the state of things back to Terry Shea era. Sadly he's right.
It will be interesting to watch how all the new Politi fans react when he begins to trash their new savior and the RU program when Flood is let go. I still refuse to give the man the clicks he so desperately wants.
The first article that will be written if Flood is let go is about the buyout that RU has to pay him. Remember, this is the same guy who last year advocated for Flood getting an extension. His wet dream is turmoil at Rutgers so that he can write about it. His biggest source is this board.
I don't know if anyone can really be a Politi "fan" after the many years of program undermining, but for now, right now, he is doing what we need him to do. Once he has served his purpose, we can go back to hating him.
We really need to find new blood with this next hire. The schiano tree needs to be chopped. See what I did there?
No but really, let's not go reverse or to the side
No but really, let's not go reverse or to the side
Why? Schiano is probably as good as we can land at this point. I don't want to get a coach, who only realizes year 3 that he has to pay attention to academics. At least with Schiano, you know the kids will succeed academically. a lot of coaches out there don't want to pay attention to academics, whereas at Rutgers, its priority #1. Kids can't play if they're not making the grade.
Why do people think (1) Rutgers is interested in Schiano and (2) Schiano is interested in Rutgers. I think its a fairly safe bet that this path will not cross.
1) Because we will be in the market for a new coach, and objectively GS's resume is probably as good as any realistic candidate on our list
2) Why wouldn't he be interested? Its not like bigger name P5 schools are going to hire him. He can probably get an AAC job or an NFL D coord job, but why would pick those over RU in the B1G?
Let me agree with those who said that I just don't see the "Schiano to Rutgers"-thing happening. I also don't really understand why we would want that to happen, either. Other than the fact that some here think we can afford him. When GS left, he was making .. what $2.5? I'm sure that his asking price now might even be more. Our AD would probably not want to spend that much, yet find someone who will also be successful. Meaning, they might want to look at those coaches from the G5 who have been having a good year or years and pay that person $1.5.
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I could be wrong but I don't think Greg commands a big salary anymore..... I think he would get less than he left with here
When you will guys learn he has no original thought. He isn't beating the drum he's writing what his sources/leaks tell him. He simply adds in Schiano for click bait.
Did Politi actually misspell Schiano?
I can't imagine why people would want Schiano back. I think most of it has to do with the fact that people really aren't aware of who the candidates are and what Rutgers can afford, but you assume we can just go back to Schiano...back when things were good, sort of.
You guys are like a woman getting out of a relationship, and you run right to the ex-bf. Of course after 1 season, you will be reminded of all the things you hated about Schiano. Like the fact that he would need to out recruit every good coach in the Big Ten by a huge margin to actually get a win on the field. I sincerely hope Julie has the good sense to go get a solid football coach. A good coach will succeed here. We don't need a salesman. That would be the same mistake PSU made.
I can't imagine why people would want Schiano back. I think most of it has to do with the fact that people really aren't aware of who the candidates are and what Rutgers can afford, but you assume we can just go back to Schiano...back when things were good, sort of.
You guys are like a woman getting out of a relationship, and you run right to the ex-bf. Of course after 1 season, you will be reminded of all the things you hated about Schiano. Like the fact that he would need to out recruit every good coach in the Big Ten by a huge margin to actually get a win on the field. I sincerely hope Julie has the good sense to go get a solid football coach. A good coach will succeed here. We don't need a salesman. That would be the same mistake PSU made.
I agree. But, I always wondered how Greg would do with a budget that not only allowed him to get the big bucks, but also to spend on a big time OC and DC. When he was at RU he used up virtually all of the budget on his salary and was stuck with hiring the likes of U. Delaware's QB coach to be OC at bargain basement rates. Whoever RU hires next, they will only succeed if RU gives them the budget to compete for top assistants. Otherwise we will continue to bring a pocket knife to a gun fight hoping the other side's gun gets jammed for us to win.
(1) Yes, but this is Julie's first big hire. She has to get this right. Right means someone that can win. Schiano has built a program, but not shown he can consistently win. In addition, she has to be able to get along and manage the individual. Schiano was known to be a micromanager and his two prior bosses at Rutgers gave him a lot of latitude. What makes us think Julie will give that same latitude.
(2) Yes, but its not like he has to work right now based on his Tampa severance. It wouldn't do him much harm to take a job under a Belichik or someone like that to hone the gameday coaching skills. If that is not an option, there will be other opportunities where he will have wider latitude in terms of program control. I think he does see some of that -- meaning he does not need this job.
His final ranking at RU after the season was consistently higher than the ave of his recruiting classes which kind of defeats this myth. But keep repeating it if it makes you feel good about yourself. He would be crazy to come back to RU with a fair number of our fan base still holding grudges from his 1st tenure (especially those who thought he should have been fired after 2004).
If schiano is "probably the best we can get then get" then let's close up shop. Again and again I say
if he couldn't beat last place no win Syracuse (0 -11), then we don't need that, personally I've watched
RU for over 60 years, don't think another 11 years of Schiano is a good idea for me.
Not sure where I repeated my position, or why any of this would it make me feel good about myself? I understand that the ranking of Schiano's teams at the end of the season typically exceeded the average of the ranking of the recruiting classes coming in, but that really has nothing to do with what I said.
My argument is that in order to beat the top competition, Schiano would need a significant talent advantage to overcome his own shortcomings as a coach. His teams nearly always played very tight against top competition. Schiano was also dismally unsuccessful against the best coached teams in the Big East, namely Cincinatti and WVU, but also Louisville. The birth of Rutgers football into a "big time" program was done on the back of a very weak Big East, and heaps of wins against bad to very bad competition. Schiano never showed any ability to beat the best teams, and in fact his teams consistently lost those games.
Unlike the Big East, the Big Ten and particularly the Big Ten East are stacked with very good gameday coaches. Schiano is not going to outscheme Dantonio, Harbaugh or Meyer anytime soon. So he needs a significant talent advantage to be successful. Since that is unlikely, even with Schiano's skills as a recruiter, I would rather have a really good X's and O's coach at Rutgers, preferably with an offensive mindset, since offense first is the trend in all levels of football as they continue to try to find new ways to protect the player's safety.
I wouldn't hate Schiano, but would rather somebody is new and exciting.
Does anyone really think Schiano was a good coach on Saturdays? It's time to move on. He took us as far as he could.
Think of Schiano as the best girl you ever had. She wasn't the prettiest, the smartest, but she was best you ever had (I know someone's going to project to the best f**k you ever had). Your friends respected you, wanted you around, thought she was pretty damn good (not to mention a couple of the BMOC tried to take her from you) and you had the best dates ever.
Big, rich movie star took her away....and after a couple of years a friend calls you and says she's available -- the movie star dumped her. You gonna give her a date? Not marry her, but just a date or two.....
Big, rich movie star took her away....and after a couple of years a friend calls you and says she's available -- the movie star dumped her. You gonna give her a date? Not marry her, but just a date or two.....
schiano is the right hire for us at this point and time. I think its a no brainer to go after him if he wants us.
No to Schiano
Right before he left, I was afraid we'd never be able to get rid of him, and thought we'd be stuck in mediocrity and him forever.
I was shocked when he left, but I truly believe we will be better off in the long run after he built the program from crap, left, and hopefully never returns.
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Thats fine, but disagree.
Hes the perfect guy to stabilize us until big money is rolling in. Thats what we need right now.
Plus if he had not left we'd have another 10-2 type season and outright big east championship, you'd feel much different about him.
Always thought he was a decent defensive coach, but couldn't handle a spread to save his life
And his offense was brutal save for Rice and Leonard.
Wild Knight, anyone?
And his handling of QBs?
OMG!
Have to give it to him on special teams, though.
The control freak was just too much. The doghouses players found themselves in. Never beat anyone good (save Louisville) and beat up on cupcakes.
Do people forget how much we questioned him and his ceiling while he was here, or is it the things get better with age syndrome?
And his offense was brutal save for Rice and Leonard.
Wild Knight, anyone?
And his handling of QBs?
OMG!
Have to give it to him on special teams, though.
The control freak was just too much. The doghouses players found themselves in. Never beat anyone good (save Louisville) and beat up on cupcakes.
Do people forget how much we questioned him and his ceiling while he was here, or is it the things get better with age syndrome?
So annoying you guys will talk all about Ledger articles, yet not link them. I also didn't see anything in the article ranking the open jobs which said Schiano was Politi's choice...
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...rutgers_will_fire_kyle_flood_at_the_seas.html
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...rutgers_will_fire_kyle_flood_at_the_seas.html
So annoying you guys will talk all about Ledger articles, yet not link them. I also didn't see anything in the article ranking the open jobs which said Schiano was Politi's choice...
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...rutgers_will_fire_kyle_flood_at_the_seas.html
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...rutgers_will_fire_kyle_flood_at_the_seas.html
We are less than medicore right now -- exactly what sne thought would happen in the post Schiano years. So many thought he was a horrible coach. Flood is a horrible coach. I wish we could go back to Schiano's mediocrity.
And chalk me down in the camp that thinks Schiano selling the Big Ten would reach a higher ceiling than many here believe he could ever reach.
I would go for an established winner for a P5 team or Schiano. I think this isn't the time to take a chance with someone unproven at this level.
Watch the 2008 team and compare it to our offense this year if you think Schiano's offenses were universally bad. We bombed teams into oblivion that year....post rice and Leonard.
