You've proven time and time again you don't get it. It's risky? Yes, so is being a cfb coach. He'll succeed or he won't, no matter what offense he runs. I'm going to watch him do his thing and let it play out over a few years. You can keep being neurotic, second-guessing every decision and worrying about crap like losses in season ticket holders. Think I'll have more fun.
Poll: Mid-Year Review Of Ash and his staff
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You've proven time and time again you don't get it. It's risky? Yes, so is being a cfb coach. He'll succeed or he won't, no matter what offense he runs. I'm going to watch him do his thing and let it play out over a few years. You can keep being neurotic, second-guessing every decision and worrying about crap like losses in season ticket holders. Think I'll have more fun.
Grading the coaches
HC -C+ for recruiting and culture change
DC -D Pre season he said he wants to run a straight 4 man front and we will see how it going before getting into a blitzing mode. after 58 to 0 your would think it is time to pressure and after the 78 UM loss you would think some D. Brown/Schiano would come into play.
OC-C- he is young but stuffing a square peg into a round hole is not working. this O should be modified to take advantage of the skill set we have but the man is looking to next year not this year. but is this "power spread" run first, what
Drew really want to run or more like Houston throw first?
and last; Game day adjustments for me have yet to be seem.
HC -C+ for recruiting and culture change
DC -D Pre season he said he wants to run a straight 4 man front and we will see how it going before getting into a blitzing mode. after 58 to 0 your would think it is time to pressure and after the 78 UM loss you would think some D. Brown/Schiano would come into play.
OC-C- he is young but stuffing a square peg into a round hole is not working. this O should be modified to take advantage of the skill set we have but the man is looking to next year not this year. but is this "power spread" run first, what
Drew really want to run or more like Houston throw first?
and last; Game day adjustments for me have yet to be seem.
Well then get used to the idea that we'll lose 10-15% of the season ticket holders for a couple years. Because this and next season were ALWAYS going to be seasons in which it would be extremely difficult, on paper at least, for us to get to six wins. It wouldn't matter what style offense we play. Look at our lack of depth and our schedule.
Irresponsible? Seriously? You understand, right, that what you just wrote there is completely delusional? And you're questioning his age?
Last time I checked, none of us fans here on the RUFB forum are actually responsible for the choice of which style of offense is employed by our football team. A fan here could write a post suggesting that put a bunch of girl scouts on the field to play offense and even that wouldn't be irresponsible. Because, and I hope you're getting this, what a fan writes here has absolutely zero impact on the reality of what's going to be done in the football program.
I understand where you're coming from. However, my reply to this question is, you really can't just look at these games in a vacuum. We had just got done being destroyed by OSU and injuries mounted in that game. Getting shellacked the way they did had to take some of the steam out of the engine. And as you just pointed out um has been improving drastically as the season has progressed. Plus they matched up defensively beautifully with us. They're a blitzing team all game long, every game. We just didn't have the answer at QB or WR to make them pay for those blitzes like those other teams.
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There are a lot of posters here with seriously unrealistic expectations. I assume most of them thought Flood's recruiting was "fine," also, so I'm looking at this poll with a grain of salt.
pretty much nails it here but be careful, you are gonna get some hate from the Ashnatics....
I see where you are coming from but think you are being a little simplistic. Ash needs to worry about those things because he hasn't show much during the games except a stubborn preponderance to sticking with the initial gameplan with little to no adjustments. That is not the mark of a good coach
I personally hate when people say the staff is young an growing into their roles. AT 2mm a year in a p5 conference, we should not settle for that
Underperformed due to the last 2 losses. Before the last 2 losses, they met expectations. I'll give them a pass for the Washington game, but the team just gave up in their last 2 losses.
Sticking with the power spread is very important right now. The more this team learns on how to run this offense the faster they will execute. This offense operates best when moving quickly. If you're thinking, you're dead. Plus it will be very important next year with a whole group of new faces arriving. You want the freshman learning from the coaches and the returning players.
LOL ranked teams lose games by 14, 20, 30, 40, 50 points. Almost weekly. Losing games by 14 points isn't going to change a damn thing (not defending our last 2 losses, don't get me wrong...). Also, this class WILL NOT be "sub par." Mark it down. Anybody who expected better than a 4 (5 tops)-win season, either this or next year, was completely fooling themselves and ignorant as to the facts of our roster situation. This will be a Top 35'ish class, when all is said-and-done, exactly where most of us predicted it to be.
I'm not even going to bother with the comments about the offense. Have yet to hear a recruit question as to "why" he is running it instead of a pro-set. Just the opposite, actually, they understand and like how he's going about things. Doesn't really matter what you, or I for that matter, think, it's about them.
*** Just as I post this another poster started a thread about a recruit's view of our O:
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/notable-quote-from-ohio-wr-recruit-kory-taylor.110255/
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Maybe we shouldn't settle for that. If we had a choice.
But the reality is that we did settle for that when we hired a very young staff and no amount of gnashing of teeth on this forum is going to change that reality for at least three seasons. We can bitch about it every day. Or we can acknowledge the reality and deal with it. I prefer the latter to the former, but your mileage may vary.
He thinks 2 years is the "norm" now in college football. I asked him to name me the last 5 HC's who have gotten only 2 years to turn things around. He has yet to respond (someone did but they failed miserably...naming only a single coach fired in 2 years and NOT for "cause" of some sort other than w's and l's).
mildone, I hear you but won't discount the glaring problems we are seeing that many are ignorning
nuts, you may enjoy underachieving, you may settle for mediocrity, you may gloss over the glaring inadequacies but I prefer not to. I also am not sure what post you are referring to as I don't recall saying $hit can the guy instead I've said, I think he's not gameday
nuts, you may enjoy underachieving, you may settle for mediocrity, you may gloss over the glaring inadequacies but I prefer not to. I also am not sure what post you are referring to as I don't recall saying $hit can the guy instead I've said, I think he's not gameday
Yep, I saw all that. He's frustrated, which is understandable. And impatient, for which long suffering fans can be forgiven.
Many of us frustrated, at varying levels. But the situation is what it is and we fans have no choice about it (other than to stop being fans).
Where we do have a choice is in how we decide we want to endure the process of turning things around. Most of us, (like you and I, I think), can see clear positive differences in the way this staff goes about it's business as compared to the last staff. So we're cautiously optimistic, which we mostly weren't the past few years.
Ultimately, everything is going to depend on recruiting over the next 3-4 years. Far as I can tell, Ash & crew are doing what can be done w/recruiting. We'll have to see how things pan out.
Eh, maybe it wasn't you, if not sorry! Anyway, therein lines the problem: you actually believe this team in "underachieving." I don't. I've been calling this debacle of a stretch for 3 years now. There was never any chance, running any type of O or D, that we weren't going to have very bad 2016 and 2017 seasons. Flood's lack of recruiting, coupled with the loss of nearly an entire class over the last 3 years - guys who should be all over the 2-deep with plenty of experience - absolutely destroyed this program. Yes, those last 2 games sucked, but to me other than an extra TD or two, by our opponents, not unexpected.
I'm not "settling" for anything, trust me, I left at halftime the other night I was so upset. I don't want "mediocrity," either, but I'm not ignorant to what it going on here an why. This is what it is, right now, due to the failures of the previous regime. I completely expect, however, for Ash to turn this around and get us back to winning games we should win or can pull off, as well as being competitive in other games, soon enough. That doesn't mean this year, or next year, either. It means - as any sane person has been saying for a while now - once he starts turning this roster over with the type of quality football players and athletes to fit what were trying to do here.
I agree there are some game day issues. Mehringer is learning on the job some. But he's clearly very, very bright and I'm somewhat confident that he will learn very quickly.
I don't think people are so much ignoring the game day issues as realizing that there's little value on us dwelling on them right now. The staff is well aware of any issues we notice and then some. We'll see, over the next few years, how they do and then it will be decision time.
I could not disagree more on Mehringer I'm afraid. He is certainly a person I would can now
Yeah let's start playing "revolving door" with our OC position again. That's worked so damn well for us in the past lol!
We can agree to disagree. In any event, I would be very surprised to see him get fired before next season.
One big problem with firing him now is the optics. Any good, perceptive potential incoming O coordinator is going to look at what Mehringer had to work with this season, look at our schedule, and look at how quickly Ash pulled the plug on him, and decline to take the position.
Remember that the Fridge, despite having had some success his year with us, declined to pursue a second year. I wouldn't be surprised if part of that decision was due to his clear view of the lack of weapons to work with last season - and things got even worse this season.
Anyway, I think Mehringer will do okay in most of the remaining games this season and will improve with each game. While he certainly gets some of the blame for the past two scoreless games, I'm unconvinced that what went wrong in the past two games was all on him anyway. The OL, which was playing better and better prior to second quarter in Ohio, under-performed greatly in the remaining seven quarters of the past two games. Tough to overcome that.
As the OP said, it's a rating poll at midseason. That said there is only one mark you can give, and that is INCOMPLETE. Let's wait until at least the Illinois game is in the books.
man I just don't know what you are seeing. He looks lost out there, has made no adjustments, continued to runt the same play 4 out of 9 tries inside the 15 the other night, has an offense that is beyond predictable, what's stretching the field, and has RU almost last in total O in the nation. I love your optimism here but I'd rather eat our lumps now and dump him then keep this up
