No reason we can’t make legit upgrades this year. Two spencer-esque quality additions should be a reasonable goal to add to our core and our freshman class.
Portal is full of talent
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Teams have proven you can make deep NCAA runs with the portal. I love Pike, but the game has changed since he took over our revival. He’s doing a bang up job. But we don’t have to wait for the great 2024 class. A couple key portal adds and we could do what FAU, SD St, etc did.
From a minutes standpoint if nobody else leaves I say add 1 (pg). If Paul or Hyatt leave then you got minutes for another.
If they want to contend next year they should get a transfer better than hyatt. One transfer won’t be enough.
I thought with Dean leaving we now have 2 open spots even if everyone else returns? Is this not the case? Paul would be in year 5 and not count towards the limit.
I’d think the question with Hyatt is going to be about money. Id be surprised if our boosters shell out money to retain him. If it’s true Dean is getting $75k, Hyatt can certainly earn a pay check to go play and start for a mid major.
Paul’s basically made it clear he’s not in the market for NIL offers from other teams. It’s amazing how unappreciative our fans are of this fact.
I think we have 3 open spots. Players will be added, it's just a question of how good are these players are going to be.
Exactly. If the playing time isn't available then you aren't getting an impact player.
Oskar: 9mpg
Dean: 7mpg
Miller: 6mpg
Now, Caleb leaving opens up significant minutes (34mpg) but would hope 5-star Griffiths takes a majority of them.
I’m not sure about the schollie count, but yes about the second part. Hate for it to be about money, but I bet that’s a factor with everyone except Paul. He’ll probably get some NIL if he returns based on his legitimate brandedness to RU over the years. But he won’t be entertaining offers from other schools one way or the other.
Our boosters need to balance their resources in keeping our other guys - Cliff, Cam, Mag, Derek, Wolf (in that order) and recruiting portal kids. Our 3 frosh are locked in at this point. I could be wrong but I think Hyatt and Chol have been told they are welcome to return but they will not be priorities in our budget (probably same message as Dean, Oskar and Miller). Chol will be back because there’s no market for him getting NIL elsewhere anyway. In Hyatt’s case, I don’t see us putting 100k plus towards keeping him around.
It’s not only about PT anymore. Also about money. I think maybe we’ll make it a priority to pay for one impact transfer. 2+ Probably not in budget realistically. So while Hyatt is certainly better than the guys we’ll be able to get to back fill the roster, the question will be about money more than anything else. Every dollar our boosters pay to keep Hyatt is money we aren’t spending towards landing a Cam level transfer. I say we’ll target one premium transfer and fill the remaining roster with reach types that we don’t have to pay for.
If Rutgers can't attract a player better than Hyatt,it will be another year with lack of bench scoring.
Wrong again, the freshman are more than talented enough to play and play well.
We have 2 open spots if no one else leaves. But we don’t have the minutes for those guys to get 25+ minutes. At least I don’t see Pike seeing that we do.
Right I’m not sure if it’s 2 or 3 but to your point, it doesn’t really matter. We probably only have the budget to buy one premium portal kid anyway and that’s ok. We’re returning most of our core guys from a team that just missed the tournament. Plus we have a 5ish star recruit coming in along with 2 other promising frosh (none are Chol type back fills).
Right now, assuming Paul, Cliff, and Hyatt return, there are 2 open scholarships. Prior to the 3 transfers out, RU was one over the 13 scholarship limit following the Ndongo commitment. Agree that we definitely need at least one shooter. Thought we might also need a big, but folks seem quite high on Ndongo. If true, looks like we could have a pretty balanced roster with depth:
PG- Simpson, Mulcahy, Davis
SG- Cam, transfer
SF- Griffiths, Hyatt
PF- Ndongo, Mag, Chol
C- Cliff, Wolf
Additional transfer or walk-on scholarship
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This should be updated with Paul testing the waters but here's your goto doc on this. Silentwillie nailed it though too. A plus perimeter shooter on this team is very important since we don't know how well or quickly Gavin will adjust.
same as every year just a matter of whether or not our staff is willing to recruit over players already getting a lot of minutes.
Why are you assuming Hyatt returns? We now have knowledge that there is a $75K market for Dean at the midmajor level.
Caleb and Paul are different and nobody seems to be appreciating this. Kids who spent their whole career at RU part of the original build - deeply tied in with the RHJ / Geo era. Those guys were never going to spit on Geo’s utopian view of the NIL movement. Neither would have MJ - he went to Cali for graduate school because that was best for his professional career. Caleb came from nothing so he wasn’t going to return for a 5th year without getting the money he would be able to make abroad - that was what his NIL was about. He was never a candidate for a college bidding war though. He wouldn’t do that to RU and neither will Paul. He’s basically said so. If he doesn’t come back he won’t be playing college ball.
I’d love for Hyatt to share this loyalty but it seems unlikely. His situation is just different. He’s played for 2 years mostly as a reserve. This is his second school and he’s probably not going to start or earn much money returning to RU.
It is in no way the same. Not for us nor for any other team. We’re in a world now where major conference reserves are being paid $75k+ to leave for mid-majors.
That’s the same. What’s changed are the factors influencing decisions across the board. Miami can afford to throw $100k at a kid like Dean to keep his seat warm on the bench if they wanted to. In reality though - they could also pay $750k+ Per kid to have a roster of 12 guys good enough to start at the major conference level. The point is your not going to see 10ish mpg guys sticking around as much on major conference rosters.
While I don't doubt there was a story about Dean being offered $75K, I'm skeptical that it was or ever will be delivered.
Do we have any idea what Hyatt has received in NIL? If it's near zero here and he could get $75K+ elsewhere wouldn't it be extremely odd for him to stay? I continue to think that the NIL numbers flying around are exaggerated.
Made the assumption based on Richie's previous comments and to make the math easier to respond to the question of whether there are currently 2 or 3 open scholarships. And also agree with Milo, very skeptical whether Dean can really get a $70K NIL deal. If Hyatt leaves, then there are three open scholarships, and we likely need two perimeter transfers. Easy to do the math and see the position(s) of need should any or all of Hyatt, Paul, or Cliff leave.
I’m skeptical too, but oddly, Dean might be more marketable than Hyatt at a lower level simply based on his height,
I’m skeptical too but then again we really don’t know what kind of boosters these low majors have. Basketball is the only money sport for most of them. If your a team like Albany and you feel like you have a decent team and need a few more pieces to compete for your auto bid, maybe your booster is willing to shell out some money for those pick ups? We really have no idea.
The portal is all about how much you are willing to spend on players who also will have demands for playing time etc. that is on top of spending for new recruits and retaining your current players/stars. It’s a shitshow really.
I would prefer to take my chances with the freshman and find 1 or maybe 2 portal glue type guys if you can
I would prefer to take my chances with the freshman and find 1 or maybe 2 portal glue type guys if you can
I think it might have been in one of the RU72 posts. I value Richard’s input (on the podcasts as well), but just find that number hard to believe considering Dean had an off year and wasn’t receiving any playing time at the end of the season.
I think it's possible he got offered that kind of money. Mid majors can have huge boosters too. If you are a mid major you're not getting top talent to come play for you, and you likely have to overpay for any players. If some wealthy booster said I'll put up $225k this year go get me 3 starters, Dean and two other starters in the portal could make some noise at the mid major level.
How many of those wealthy donors would it take to get far enough down the best transfers list to get to Dean Reiber?
I believe RU72 when he said he heard it, BTW, I think people are saying all kinds of things about NIL that are exaggerated.
I don't disagree that a lot of these numbers are exaggerated. And I'm not trying to over sell Dean -- we all know what he is. I'm just saying that if the portal has now become like NFL free agency, and that appears to be the case, if the market is $75k for a player, he might have been offered it.
He’s 6-10. At the mid-major level that’s a commodity. How many players over 6-8 with real P-5 experience are in the portal right now? My guess is not many.
I mean, I’d argue they’re losing more in Jett Howard and Kobe Bufkin than those guys, and that doesn’t even factor in Dickinson
Kinda depends what strengthening actually is.....
They're losing Dickinson (depending how you view whatever his replacement is eventually, this isn't helping Michigan IMO
Jett Howard is declaring for the NBA draft.
Kobe Bufkin is declared for the NBA draft.
In regards to the additions, Nimari Burnett is now on his 3rd school in 3 years (Texas Tech/Alabama)
Tray Jackson is now on his 3rd school (Missouri/Seton Hall/Michigan). Jackson is kinda like Jamison Battle, they both like to hang out at the 3 point line and are semi-allergic to the paint, defense and rebounding. If Michigan can unlock Jackson and get him to play both ends of the court, they have an ace signing...I'm not quite sure Michigan fans are going to get excited about Jackson unless he gets way tougher, Shaheen Holloway essentially shed Jackson at Seton Hall.
Caleb Love and RJ Davis from UNC are certainly talented, but they probably were 2 of the worst guards in terms of shot selection, I've seen in a very long time....they think they can take and make every fade away 3 pointer. If Michigan and Juwan Howard can get Love to understand what's a good shot, he may be able to fix him.
I am not sure what Llewellyn is doing, is he coming back to school after tearing his ACL last November??
Michigan has 4 or 5* kids at every position, so I'd guess even with Hunter Dickinson, they're still going to make the NCAAs, just on talent alone.
But this chemistry experiment of shuffling 4 to 5 players in and out of your rotation, every spring, isn't ideal IMO.
