Portal/NIL Dilemmas

[BillyC80]

So, when you recruit via the portal and NIL deals, how does the player you’re recruiting know who’s for sure gonna be on the team?

I can see how Paul and Cam, as graduates, had the benefit of deciding late when the teams recruiting them were mostly set.

For Pike this off-season, at least he can say he has two lottery picks coming in, along with a 4-star offensively talented center. After that, it’s anyone’s guess who stays (other than incoming freshmen).

As a coach, the benefit of moving early on a player you want is obvious, unless you’re not sure what holes you’ll have to fill.

And, for players in demand, it might be best to wait as long as possible, for a bigger payday AND for knowing with some certainty the roster of the team you’re joining.

So many conflicting angles in the recruiting game these days.

Not to mention, unlike professional sports, college coaches have to count on outside sources to fund recruiting, without knowing the exact budget they’ll have to work with.

I don’t envy the coaches and recruiters who have to deal with these new dilemmas to build and rebuild a true team year after year.

 

[RUsojo]

Players want playing time. Now they get NIL deals. Beyond that, there are a million recruiting pitches coaches can use to convince players the team will be good. Most kids don’t know the landscape across the country well enough.

One of our programs issues (imo) has been an unwillingness to offer playing time in favor of sticking with “core” players who have been with Pike but imo have not been good enough to take a shot at recruiting over.

The end result in this non sit-out era, is you only attract guys who end up depth pieces not good enough to impact games for winning teams.

 

[BillyC80]

Players want playing time. Now they get NIL deals. Beyond that, there are a million recruiting pitches coaches can use to convince players the team will be good. Most kids don’t know the landscape across the country well enough.

One of our programs issues (imo) has been an unwillingness to offer playing time in favor of sticking with “core” players who have been with Pike but imo have not been good enough to take a shot at recruiting over.

The end result in this non sit-out era, is you only attract guys who end up depth pieces not good enough to impact games for winning teams.

You make a good point. It will be interesting to see how the concept of loyalty plays out over the course of the NIL era.

I also wonder if, in the future, some NIL deals will be multi-year agreements instead of free agency every year.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

You make a good point. It will be interesting to see how the concept of loyalty plays out over the course of the NIL era.

I also wonder if, in the future, some NIL deals will be multi-year agreements instead of free agency every year.

I think we will see agreements made as forgiveable loans. Smooths the payment of taxes and puts handcuffs on players.

 

[BillyC80]

I think we will see agreements made as forgiveable loans. Smooths the payment of taxes and puts handcuffs on players.

Something has to change, and likely will.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Collective gives a guy who market has 250K per year 800K in a 8 year forgiveable loan. He gets 800k tax free upfront. Every year he owes 100K less on the loan and has to pay taxes on 100K.

 

[PhillyRU]

Worth noting that the loop hole for graduates no longer exists

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

I think there are more available/quality players than actual spots on a Power 5/6 roster. So filling spots shouldn't be overly complicated.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I think there are more available/quality players than actual spots on a Power 5/6 roster. So filling spots shouldn't be overly complicated.

I think that varies position by position.

I'd bet there are ton of 2s and not a lot of 5s.

I'd bet there are tons of undersized 3s, but not a lot of 1s.

 

[BillyC80]

Worth noting that the loop hole for graduates no longer exists

Philly, are you saying graduates have the same deadline to enter the portal as others?

 

[PhillyRU]

Philly, are you saying graduates have the same deadline to enter the portal as others?

It appears so (narrowed the excerpt down to the relevant bits):

Windows will be modified to the following:

• Winter sports: 45 days, beginning seven days after championship selection.

The Legislative Committee noted that notification-of-transfer deadlines of May 1 for fall and winter sports and July 1 for spring sports apply to graduate transfers transferring for the first time, and that beginning in 2024-25, graduate students seeking waivers for postgraduate eligibility will need to comply with those same deadlines.

 

[LotusAggressor]

I think there are more available/quality players than actual spots on a Power 5/6 roster. So filling spots shouldn't be overly complicated.

I hope it's uncomplicated enough for RU to find more shooters.

 

[Rufaninga]

Sometimes I wonder if we only get tape of the player on the defensive end of the floor...

 

[BillyC80]

It appears so (narrowed the excerpt down to the relevant bits):

Windows will be modified to the following:

• Winter sports: 45 days, beginning seven days after championship selection.

The Legislative Committee noted that notification-of-transfer deadlines of May 1 for fall and winter sports and July 1 for spring sports apply to graduate transfers transferring for the first time, and that beginning in 2024-25, graduate students seeking waivers for postgraduate eligibility will need to comply with those same deadlines.

Good to know, thanks (and of course, one year too late for RU, but will help going forward).

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Collective gives a guy who market has 250K per year 800K in a 8 year forgiveable loan. He gets 800k tax free upfront. Every year he owes 100K less on the loan and has to pay taxes on 100K.

You don’t think Uncle Sam will catch on ??? Lol

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

You don’t think Uncle Sam will catch on ??? Lol

taxes are paid, just stretched over time. It is how retention payments and bonuses are paid. It is real.

 

[fatsam98]

It appears so (narrowed the excerpt down to the relevant bits):

Windows will be modified to the following:

• Winter sports: 45 days, beginning seven days after championship selection.

The Legislative Committee noted that notification-of-transfer deadlines of May 1 for fall and winter sports and July 1 for spring sports apply to graduate transfers transferring for the first time, and that beginning in 2024-25, graduate students seeking waivers for postgraduate eligibility will need to comply with those same deadlines.

I read that too but wasn't sure if it meant May 1 2025 or May 1 2024.

@Richard Schnyderite any idea? You mentioned earlier that the grad student transfer portal window loophole wasn't going away

 

[Richie O]

I read that too but wasn't sure if it meant May 1 2025 or May 1 2024.

@Richard Schnyderite any idea? You mentioned earlier that the grad student transfer portal window loophole wasn't going away

This is the first I’ve heard of this, I’ll check in with my source to confirm.

 

[PhillyRU]

This is the first I’ve heard of this, I’ll check in with my source to confirm.

Just for reference on where it came from:

DI Council approves changes to notification-of-transfer windows - NCAA.org

The Division I Council on Wednesday approved changes to notification-of-transfer windows across all sports, including a reduction from 60 to 45 total days in both

www.ncaa.org

 

[rucoe89]

So, when you recruit via the portal and NIL deals, how does the player you’re recruiting know who’s for sure gonna be on the team?

I can see how Paul and Cam, as graduates, had the benefit of deciding late when the teams recruiting them were mostly set.

For Pike this off-season, at least he can say he has two lottery picks coming in, along with a 4-star offensively talented center. After that, it’s anyone’s guess who stays (other than incoming freshmen).

As a coach, the benefit of moving early on a player you want is obvious, unless you’re not sure what holes you’ll have to fill.

And, for players in demand, it might be best to wait as long as possible, for a bigger payday AND for knowing with some certainty the roster of the team you’re joining.

So many conflicting angles in the recruiting game these days.

Not to mention, unlike professional sports, college coaches have to count on outside sources to fund recruiting, without knowing the exact budget they’ll have to work with.

I don’t envy the coaches and recruiters who have to deal with these new dilemmas to build and rebuild a true team year after year.

As a fan, do you think the annual overhaul rebuild is something that will keep you tied to the program or will it get tiring. This will be the bigger question for us all.