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Post Mortem by Lion - RU vs Indiana

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Only a mini, since, to be honest, bactotherac and Degaz kinda covered the essence of the game, which I will surely repeat.

Before that, I do reiterate it is possible to be extremely disappointed in the game, and the season both to date and prospectively, yest still enjoy watching individual special players. Which is going to be the case here. Some fans can decide to be miserable and hate watching the team, and give up on the team: That is of course anyone's right, to feel what they feel. I, for one, while I may be disappointed in the current season to date, and what it seems like the prospective outcome (not only no NCAA, but no post-season), DO really enjoy watching individual players play ... obviously, you all know I very much appreciate and feel like it is a special opportunity to watch Harper and Bailey play for RU.

I know some hate what I said right above: Well, that is your right, but why would you care if I, or others, enjoy watching Harper and Bailey, even if the game and season outcomes are disappointing? And why would you take a dump on us? I am capable of getting joy from small things (like individual player performances), even if larger things (like the overall team performance) are not to my liking.

Anyway, to the game ... I think both Bac and Degaz - and others - have all said that this game was a microcosm of much of the season, and in particular, this game was lost due to THREE to FOUR elements (I think we all have to agree with this):

1) Just AWFUL defensive rebounding

2) Poor defense (though I think this was more related to to the lack of rebounding than actual defense - more on that).

3) Complete ZERO from 3 key players: Martini, Hayes and Derkack.

4) FT shooting.

Obviously we can always find more, but the above are the most important elements, surely.

Awful Defensive Rebounding: I think this was the most important, BY FAR of the reasons RU lost. The problem was not only giving up 18 offensive rebounds, but more importantly, it felt like Indiana SCORED on nearly every offensive rebound they got (sometimes a team might get an offensive rebound, but not score). Indiana scored 34 2nd chance pints on 18 offensive rebounds ... that is a RIDICULOUSLY efficient conversion rate. RU was not great wit offensive rebounds, but scored just 8 points on 7 offensive rebounds ... the same conversion rate for RU would have added up to 12-13 points on 7 offensive rebounds, not just 8 points - for perspective. Now, Indiana did not get a score on EVERY offensive rebound (the "simple" math might suggest with 34 points might come from 17 rebounds (17x2, for 2 points for each basket). The reason we know this is that they were fouled on some - and other than Rice, missed a bunch of FT. AND ... I distinctly remember AT LEAST 4 3-pointers in the 1st half alone after offensive rebounds (including the half-ending heave) - often on scrambles that left IU players open for 3's. I would guess they got at least 1-2 other 3's in the 2nd half after offensive rebounds. So, this was truly the major problem - not unique for RU this season (Princetinm killed RU in this area most recently, as well).

Poor Defense: So ... I am going to be counter-intuitive here, and say that if you EXCLUDE the defensive rebounding element of defense (which really, you cannot), the defense was not as bad as you might think. But ... the defensive rebounding was SO bad, it had a huge negative influence on the overall defense. That said, even with all the offensive rebound put-backs, especially by Ballo, RU held Indiana to under 36% FG from 2-point range (16-45) ... that is actually pretty GOOD defense.

One problem with the defense was that RU allowed a team shooting 30% from 3 coming into the game to shoot 44.4% on the game. Now, some will say it is because the defense was bad and gave up a lot of open 3's - and there is merit to that argument. On the other hand, Indiana has MISSED plenty of open 3's this season, so them missing open 3's would not have been a poor assumption coming into the game, as a defensive gameplan.

Besides IU hitting so many open 3's, it was the likely 5-6 3's they hit AFTER offensive rebounds that really hurt ... and that skews our perception of RU's defensive performance - not that it does not count, but scramble defense is different than straight-up defense. Now, it is likely that IU got so many offensive rebounds in part because RU's defensive rotations were not good enough, so that when a player went over to help on defense, other players did not rotate to be in a position to box out ... or because defensive help WAS required on too many plays that allowed weakside offensive rebounds. All fair points, if you saw that. I am not sure myself.

Another issue with the defense was that without Harper, Pikiell had to play Martini and Acuff (and in the 2nd half,, Hayes) much more than desired. How does that affect the defense? Well, almost every time Acuff entered the game, RU went to a 2-3 zone ... and when Hayes was in the same. In fact, I presume Hayes did not play in the 1st half because Pikiell just could not deal with Hayes' lack of defense - and the match-ups for Hayes would have been poor. Pikiell seemed forced to play Hayes in the 2nd half because no one other than Bailey was scoring. The problem with the zone was multi-fold: a) even worse offensive rebounding - tougher to rebound out of a zone), and b) MUCH less defensive pressure can be put on the opposing team guards. As to the pressure issue, some will say you can pressure out of the zone. That is true, but NOT with Hayes and Acuff - those 2 in the game prevent RU from playing ANY pressure defense. So, without Harper there was a ripple effect of losing any hope of consistently pressuring IU's guards, who have been turnover prone, essentially disappeared.

ZERO From Hayes/Martini/Derkack: So ... `Martini had 3 open 3's - missed them all. Hayes did not play in the 1st half - played 8 minutes in the 2nd half, had 5-6 open 3-point looks, took JUST 2 of them - did force a 3rd 3 ... and missed all of them, plus a wide open lay-up off a nice drive. Derkack did hit 3-4 FT, but otherwise was 0-3 FG ... a total of 0-10 FG, 0-7 3-point FG from those 3. That in 47 minutes of playing time ... which would be cut in half if Harper had been available (not by Harper minutes, because some of Acuff's and Davis' minutes would have gone to Harper also). 47 minutes, 3 points (on 3-4 FT), 0-10 FG, 0-7 3-point, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, 10 fouls (though 3-4 were at the end of the game when RU was intentionally fouling). Just awful. I guess Grant must just be awful in practice not to supplant Martini and/or Hayes.

FT Shooting: Ugh ... and Bailey again, just 3-8 FT ... But RU also missed FT's at TERRIBLE times ... 2 front-ends of 1 and 1's (Acuff and Bailey) - and both at particularly harmful times of the game (Bailey when RU was down 52-59). And for the life of me I have ZERO idea why Pikiell chose BAILEY to take the FT's after Bailey had hit a 3, and IU committed a dead ball technical foul ... he could have chose ANY RU player on the court to shoot those FT's, and both Sommerville and Williams were on the floor, both much better FT shooters ... it was 48-59, and Bailey was about to hit another great 3-point shot ... should have been an 8-point possession, basically, to get to 54-59, rather than 52-59 ... RU then got a stop, and Bailey missed the front-end ... that was an ENORMOUS sequence that could have, and maybe should have had RU down no worse than 54-59, but maybe even 56-59. IU followed with 2 made 3's in a span for 4 possessions (at least 1 off an offensive rebound) ... just a killer momentum killer.

Players (not going to go through all of them in individual paragraphs):

Bailey: For those who only care about the season (which I agree should be the most important element of rooting for and feeling good about the team), but I DO enjoy watching special players, even if we lose. I refuse to apologize for that. Abd bailey ... well that was a special performance, as good in many ways as Harper's performances against Notre Dame and Alabama, and either the #1 or #2 freshman scoring game of the season in all of college basketball season. Yes, he took a couple of bad shots (I do not mean contested shots, but bad judgment shots) - in particular a bad choice to take a deep 3 with the score 53-65, which he airballed. Even so, he was simply ridiculously good. Yeah, no assists ... but why should he have passed, generally? Him taking a shot in this game was generally a way better choice and option than anyone else taking a shot. Plus, 8 rebounds, 4 blocked shots and ZERO turnovers .. the main problem, which really hurt RU, was the 3-8 FT - his 2nd wipeout FT performance. BTW: His after-game comments with Pikiell were excellent, and the right attitude: a) Mainly matters ot win; and b) when asked about how he did so well, mainly complimented his teammates for setting good picks, making good passes, getting him the ball in good position to score ... and his body language when Pikiell was asked about FT's: Clearly Bailey was angry at himself and knew he messed up.

Sommerville/Ogbole: Ogbole did poorly - was pushed around by Ballo, though he did end up with 3 rebounds in jst 9 minutes. Sommerville was ... okay, no better. He did make a couple of decent defensive plays, and had 5 rebounds ijn 27 minutes, but really did not do much to limit Ballo's rebounding. He was better than Ogbole in bodying up Ballo in straight-up defense. Hit a few good shots, but had 3 bad turnovers - including being unable what was admittedly a bullet pass from Acuff ... Sommerville catches that and scores, and IU probably does not get that heave 3 ... and it is 36-38 at half, not 34-41 ... a big turnaround.

Davis: Some good, some not as good. He was 0-2 from 3 - when RU was desperate to hit some outside shots other than Bailey. Did a decent (not as good as the last few games, but at least OK) job on Rice (6-15 FG), was 3-5 2-point FG and 3-4 FT ... and 3 assists with ZERO turnovers ... now up to 26 assists and 6 turnovers for the season. Up to 58% FT from 53%, FG% is creeping up - now 33% (38% from 2-point raneg) - still not good enough of course, but gradually improving.

Williams: Really forced his drives causing too many turnovers, and missed those back to back 12 footers (missed, got his own rebound, missed again). But otherwise okay: 3 assists, 8 rebounds, 8 points. That would have been fine if the Hayes/Martini combo in particular had hit even 2-3 3's. But in a game where Hayes/Martini/Derkakc are 0-10 FG, RU needed more from Williams.

Acuff: Clearly in the rotation now - so a 8-man rotation, plus Martini/Hayes situational. Still, when he is in the game, it is clear Pikiell is concerned about playing man defense ... that is a problem, eh? He was ... okay .. sort of ... just not enough, plus 2 turnovers, 1-3 from 3, only 2 rebounds, a missed lay-up also.

Bummer, result, of course., Just too many flaws that wasted an otherwordly performance by a special player in Bailey - even without Harper, if ANYONE else had risen to be a 14-15 point player this game RU probably would have won.
 
That's a mini?

You are the one that created a thread, stating that the fans should enjoy what we're witnessing from 2 stars. If we don't, we're miserable? F OFF.

If you told me the coaching staff missed the game cause they got stuck in an elevator, I'd believe it. The offense was to pass it to Ace and just watch him shoot almost every time. That's special? NO WAY.
 
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worth noting Indiana missed 47 shots....18 OREB is too much. (18/47 is 38.2%) 14 OREB (29.7%) would have been a normal rate...throw in the amount of zone inch that up higher
 
That's a mini?

You are the one that created a thread, stating that the fans should enjoy what we're witnessing from 2 stars. If we don't, we're miserable? F OFF.
"Mini" was a typo. Originally it was going to be a lot shorter. But as I wrote I chose to explain myself more.

I NEVER said fans were "miserable" if they didn't enjoy watching the 2 stars. I said that though the overall season and team may be disappointing, people should and could still enjoy watching the performances of 2 special RU players. And I explained more of what I meant in this post.

The team's overall disappointing performance is not offset by watching Harper and Bailey... The 2 things are entirely different things to potentially enjoy.
 
"Mini" was a typo. Originally it was going to be a lot shorter. But as I wrote I chose to explain myself more.

I NEVER said fans were "miserable" if they didn't enjoy watching the 2 stars. I said that though the overall season and team may be disappointing, people should and could still enjoy watching the performances of 2 special RU players. And I explained more of what I meant in this post.

The team's overall disappointing performance is not offset by watching Harper and Bailey... The 2 things are entirely different things to potentially enjoy.

For the record I have no issue with what you enjoy and I hope you don’t let these idiots drive you off the board (again? I kind of remember you from the first time around but not sure why you left.) because the kind of detailed analysis you are bringing here is very valuable and appreciated.

That said, it’s tough for me to enjoy watching Ace and Dylan play if we go 6-14.. sure it’s more entertaining than going 6-14 without them but give me the 19-20 or 20-21 teams any day.
 
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"Mini" was a typo. Originally it was going to be a lot shorter. But as I wrote I chose to explain myself more.

I NEVER said fans were "miserable" if they didn't enjoy watching the 2 stars. I said that though the overall season and team may be disappointing, people should and could still enjoy watching the performances of 2 special RU players. And I explained more of what I meant in this post.

The team's overall disappointing performance is not offset by watching Harper and Bailey... The 2 things are entirely different things to potentially enjoy.
Before that, I do reiterate it is possible to be extremely disappointed in the game, and the season both to date and prospectively, yest still enjoy watching individual special players. Which is going to be the case here. Some fans can decide to be miserable and hate watching the team, and give up on the team:
Your other thread, you said we should enjoy these 2, even if we don't go the tourney. In this thread, you're saying we're miserable if we can't enjoy these 2.

You're free to find enjoyment in what you're watching. No one is telling you that you can't. You telling others that we should enjoy the crap that we're watching takes balls.

I'm a fan of Rutgers basketball. What I saw last night can be seen at a YMCA, some guy shooting contested shots every time he touches the ball. Ace was hot and shot 55%. yay.
 
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Before that, I do reiterate it is possible to be extremely disappointed in the game, and the season both to date and prospectively, yest still enjoy watching individual special players. Which is going to be the case here. Some fans can decide to be miserable and hate watching the team, and give up on the team:
Your other thread, you said we should enjoy these 2, even if we don't go the tourney. In this thread, you're saying we're miserable if we can't enjoy these 2.

You're free to find enjoyment in what you're watching. No one is telling you that you can't. You telling others that we should enjoy the crap that we're watching takes balls.

I'm a fan of Rutgers basketball. What I saw last night can be seen at a YMCA, some guy shooting contested shots every time he touches the ball. Ace was hot and shot 55%. yay.
It does appear I owe an apology - I just re-read my initial post in this thread prior or even seeing your response - was going to apologize for denying I used the word miserable, but I was in transit, and you responded first.

So ... I do apologize for denying I said what I said.

I will stick by my general sentiment, however - and everyone can agree to disagree on what each person should root for and enjoy or hate. That sentiment is:

1) I remain disappointed in the performance of the team - and certainly understand and respect those who are also disappointed.

2) I still can separate my disappointment in the team performance from my ability to enjoy and appreciate individual performances by players, over the course of the season and even within individual games ... even draw enjoyment from individual PLAYS within an individual game.

3) Harper and Bailey are special players, and I enjoy having them on the RU team for this one season, even if disappointingly the team does not appear to be post-season-bound.

4) I am an optimist by nature - and hate reading a constant barrage of negative posts, calls for Pikiell to be fired, claims he has no idea how to coach, etc. I cannot put EVERYONE who piles on onto "ignore" - I'd have no Board to post on and respond to. My philosophy is to support the coaches, no matter what, until the writing is on the wall that their long-term failure seems assured. That is certainly not the case here. An example: I thought Mike Rice was actually a good coach, and even with his issues probably did not really deserve to be fired (disciplined in some, way, yes, but not fired). BUT ... as soon as the "video" came out (from a disgruntled employee, suing the university for wrongful termination, remember), it was apparent that Rice could never successfully recruit any decent player, whether the video was representative of the overall truth or not - - so he had to be gone, as his ability to perform was no longer viable. Only then did I publicly (on these Boards) support his dismissal. FYI, not to revisit an ugly period, but the video was a 60 minutes video, showing the EXACT SAME incidents, 3 or 4 of them covering in total perhaps 12-15 minutes of actual practice time, in a loop from different angles of videoing, making it seem like more than an hour of incidents, when it was maybe 12-15 minutes of incidents ... AND RU made publicly available more than 600 HOURS of videoed practice time where these were the ONLY incidents - so 12-15 minutes of "bad acts" by a coach with a huge temper (a real problem, yes), in the context of over 600 hours of video-taped practices.

I think Pikiell is a terrific coach ... but there is no doubt at this stage that he seriously misevaluated several transfers - Martini being the most eggregious "miss". Maybe Derkack, Hayes and Acuff are "misses" also - which would compound the error. But I think Acuff getting hurt clouds whether he is a miss or not, and Hayes was kind of a last minute add (and we know NOT RU's 1st choice for that slot or role). No, the true error so far appears to be Martini - and we are pretty sure Martini was actually Pikiell's first choice and priority from the portal ... so a real miss. If RU sought and brought in a stretch 4 that was NOT a miss, instead of Martini, then many issues of the team might seem less of an issue. The Martini "miss" is having enormous ripple effects on the team's performance in many ways.
 
Only a mini, since, to be honest, bactotherac and Degaz kinda covered the essence of the game, which I will surely repeat.

Before that, I do reiterate it is possible to be extremely disappointed in the game, and the season both to date and prospectively, yest still enjoy watching individual special players. Which is going to be the case here. Some fans can decide to be miserable and hate watching the team, and give up on the team: That is of course anyone's right, to feel what they feel. I, for one, while I may be disappointed in the current season to date, and what it seems like the prospective outcome (not only no NCAA, but no post-season), DO really enjoy watching individual players play ... obviously, you all know I very much appreciate and feel like it is a special opportunity to watch Harper and Bailey play for RU.

I know some hate what I said right above: Well, that is your right, but why would you care if I, or others, enjoy watching Harper and Bailey, even if the game and season outcomes are disappointing? And why would you take a dump on us? I am capable of getting joy from small things (like individual player performances), even if larger things (like the overall team performance) are not to my liking.

Anyway, to the game ... I think both Bac and Degaz - and others - have all said that this game was a microcosm of much of the season, and in particular, this game was lost due to THREE to FOUR elements (I think we all have to agree with this):

1) Just AWFUL defensive rebounding

2) Poor defense (though I think this was more related to to the lack of rebounding than actual defense - more on that).

3) Complete ZERO from 3 key players: Martini, Hayes and Derkack.

4) FT shooting.

Obviously we can always find more, but the above are the most important elements, surely.

Awful Defensive Rebounding: I think this was the most important, BY FAR of the reasons RU lost. The problem was not only giving up 18 offensive rebounds, but more importantly, it felt like Indiana SCORED on nearly every offensive rebound they got (sometimes a team might get an offensive rebound, but not score). Indiana scored 34 2nd chance pints on 18 offensive rebounds ... that is a RIDICULOUSLY efficient conversion rate. RU was not great wit offensive rebounds, but scored just 8 points on 7 offensive rebounds ... the same conversion rate for RU would have added up to 12-13 points on 7 offensive rebounds, not just 8 points - for perspective. Now, Indiana did not get a score on EVERY offensive rebound (the "simple" math might suggest with 34 points might come from 17 rebounds (17x2, for 2 points for each basket). The reason we know this is that they were fouled on some - and other than Rice, missed a bunch of FT. AND ... I distinctly remember AT LEAST 4 3-pointers in the 1st half alone after offensive rebounds (including the half-ending heave) - often on scrambles that left IU players open for 3's. I would guess they got at least 1-2 other 3's in the 2nd half after offensive rebounds. So, this was truly the major problem - not unique for RU this season (Princetinm killed RU in this area most recently, as well).

Poor Defense: So ... I am going to be counter-intuitive here, and say that if you EXCLUDE the defensive rebounding element of defense (which really, you cannot), the defense was not as bad as you might think. But ... the defensive rebounding was SO bad, it had a huge negative influence on the overall defense. That said, even with all the offensive rebound put-backs, especially by Ballo, RU held Indiana to under 36% FG from 2-point range (16-45) ... that is actually pretty GOOD defense.

One problem with the defense was that RU allowed a team shooting 30% from 3 coming into the game to shoot 44.4% on the game. Now, some will say it is because the defense was bad and gave up a lot of open 3's - and there is merit to that argument. On the other hand, Indiana has MISSED plenty of open 3's this season, so them missing open 3's would not have been a poor assumption coming into the game, as a defensive gameplan.

Besides IU hitting so many open 3's, it was the likely 5-6 3's they hit AFTER offensive rebounds that really hurt ... and that skews our perception of RU's defensive performance - not that it does not count, but scramble defense is different than straight-up defense. Now, it is likely that IU got so many offensive rebounds in part because RU's defensive rotations were not good enough, so that when a player went over to help on defense, other players did not rotate to be in a position to box out ... or because defensive help WAS required on too many plays that allowed weakside offensive rebounds. All fair points, if you saw that. I am not sure myself.

Another issue with the defense was that without Harper, Pikiell had to play Martini and Acuff (and in the 2nd half,, Hayes) much more than desired. How does that affect the defense? Well, almost every time Acuff entered the game, RU went to a 2-3 zone ... and when Hayes was in the same. In fact, I presume Hayes did not play in the 1st half because Pikiell just could not deal with Hayes' lack of defense - and the match-ups for Hayes would have been poor. Pikiell seemed forced to play Hayes in the 2nd half because no one other than Bailey was scoring. The problem with the zone was multi-fold: a) even worse offensive rebounding - tougher to rebound out of a zone), and b) MUCH less defensive pressure can be put on the opposing team guards. As to the pressure issue, some will say you can pressure out of the zone. That is true, but NOT with Hayes and Acuff - those 2 in the game prevent RU from playing ANY pressure defense. So, without Harper there was a ripple effect of losing any hope of consistently pressuring IU's guards, who have been turnover prone, essentially disappeared.

ZERO From Hayes/Martini/Derkack: So ... `Martini had 3 open 3's - missed them all. Hayes did not play in the 1st half - played 8 minutes in the 2nd half, had 5-6 open 3-point looks, took JUST 2 of them - did force a 3rd 3 ... and missed all of them, plus a wide open lay-up off a nice drive. Derkack did hit 3-4 FT, but otherwise was 0-3 FG ... a total of 0-10 FG, 0-7 3-point FG from those 3. That in 47 minutes of playing time ... which would be cut in half if Harper had been available (not by Harper minutes, because some of Acuff's and Davis' minutes would have gone to Harper also). 47 minutes, 3 points (on 3-4 FT), 0-10 FG, 0-7 3-point, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, 10 fouls (though 3-4 were at the end of the game when RU was intentionally fouling). Just awful. I guess Grant must just be awful in practice not to supplant Martini and/or Hayes.

FT Shooting: Ugh ... and Bailey again, just 3-8 FT ... But RU also missed FT's at TERRIBLE times ... 2 front-ends of 1 and 1's (Acuff and Bailey) - and both at particularly harmful times of the game (Bailey when RU was down 52-59). And for the life of me I have ZERO idea why Pikiell chose BAILEY to take the FT's after Bailey had hit a 3, and IU committed a dead ball technical foul ... he could have chose ANY RU player on the court to shoot those FT's, and both Sommerville and Williams were on the floor, both much better FT shooters ... it was 48-59, and Bailey was about to hit another great 3-point shot ... should have been an 8-point possession, basically, to get to 54-59, rather than 52-59 ... RU then got a stop, and Bailey missed the front-end ... that was an ENORMOUS sequence that could have, and maybe should have had RU down no worse than 54-59, but maybe even 56-59. IU followed with 2 made 3's in a span for 4 possessions (at least 1 off an offensive rebound) ... just a killer momentum killer.

Players (not going to go through all of them in individual paragraphs):

Bailey: For those who only care about the season (which I agree should be the most important element of rooting for and feeling good about the team), but I DO enjoy watching special players, even if we lose. I refuse to apologize for that. Abd bailey ... well that was a special performance, as good in many ways as Harper's performances against Notre Dame and Alabama, and either the #1 or #2 freshman scoring game of the season in all of college basketball season. Yes, he took a couple of bad shots (I do not mean contested shots, but bad judgment shots) - in particular a bad choice to take a deep 3 with the score 53-65, which he airballed. Even so, he was simply ridiculously good. Yeah, no assists ... but why should he have passed, generally? Him taking a shot in this game was generally a way better choice and option than anyone else taking a shot. Plus, 8 rebounds, 4 blocked shots and ZERO turnovers .. the main problem, which really hurt RU, was the 3-8 FT - his 2nd wipeout FT performance. BTW: His after-game comments with Pikiell were excellent, and the right attitude: a) Mainly matters ot win; and b) when asked about how he did so well, mainly complimented his teammates for setting good picks, making good passes, getting him the ball in good position to score ... and his body language when Pikiell was asked about FT's: Clearly Bailey was angry at himself and knew he messed up.

Sommerville/Ogbole: Ogbole did poorly - was pushed around by Ballo, though he did end up with 3 rebounds in jst 9 minutes. Sommerville was ... okay, no better. He did make a couple of decent defensive plays, and had 5 rebounds ijn 27 minutes, but really did not do much to limit Ballo's rebounding. He was better than Ogbole in bodying up Ballo in straight-up defense. Hit a few good shots, but had 3 bad turnovers - including being unable what was admittedly a bullet pass from Acuff ... Sommerville catches that and scores, and IU probably does not get that heave 3 ... and it is 36-38 at half, not 34-41 ... a big turnaround.

Davis: Some good, some not as good. He was 0-2 from 3 - when RU was desperate to hit some outside shots other than Bailey. Did a decent (not as good as the last few games, but at least OK) job on Rice (6-15 FG), was 3-5 2-point FG and 3-4 FT ... and 3 assists with ZERO turnovers ... now up to 26 assists and 6 turnovers for the season. Up to 58% FT from 53%, FG% is creeping up - now 33% (38% from 2-point raneg) - still not good enough of course, but gradually improving.

Williams: Really forced his drives causing too many turnovers, and missed those back to back 12 footers (missed, got his own rebound, missed again). But otherwise okay: 3 assists, 8 rebounds, 8 points. That would have been fine if the Hayes/Martini combo in particular had hit even 2-3 3's. But in a game where Hayes/Martini/Derkakc are 0-10 FG, RU needed more from Williams.

Acuff: Clearly in the rotation now - so a 8-man rotation, plus Martini/Hayes situational. Still, when he is in the game, it is clear Pikiell is concerned about playing man defense ... that is a problem, eh? He was ... okay .. sort of ... just not enough, plus 2 turnovers, 1-3 from 3, only 2 rebounds, a missed lay-up also.

Bummer, result, of course., Just too many flaws that wasted an otherwordly performance by a special player in Bailey - even without Harper, if ANYONE else had risen to be a 14-15 point player this game RU probably would have won.
Welcome back to the board.

This game could have been won despite the flaws with a few of a limited selection of plays. JMike doesn't drive 1 on 5 after a key steal. Ace doesn't have the bad luck to swat the last shot of the first half quit as far, any of several 3 point attempts go down. I forget whose missed bunny gets turned into a fast break. 2 of Indiana's first 3 3v pointers were shots off of "look what i found" rebounds, and of course foul shots.


With the same flow of play otherwise, a few of those change and we could have won.
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Only a mini, since, to be honest, bactotherac and Degaz kinda covered the essence of the game, which I will surely repeat.

Before that, I do reiterate it is possible to be extremely disappointed in the game, and the season both to date and prospectively, yest still enjoy watching individual special players. Which is going to be the case here. Some fans can decide to be miserable and hate watching the team, and give up on the team: That is of course anyone's right, to feel what they feel. I, for one, while I may be disappointed in the current season to date, and what it seems like the prospective outcome (not only no NCAA, but no post-season), DO really enjoy watching individual players play ... obviously, you all know I very much appreciate and feel like it is a special opportunity to watch Harper and Bailey play for RU.

I know some hate what I said right above: Well, that is your right, but why would you care if I, or others, enjoy watching Harper and Bailey, even if the game and season outcomes are disappointing? And why would you take a dump on us? I am capable of getting joy from small things (like individual player performances), even if larger things (like the overall team performance) are not to my liking.

Anyway, to the game ... I think both Bac and Degaz - and others - have all said that this game was a microcosm of much of the season, and in particular, this game was lost due to THREE to FOUR elements (I think we all have to agree with this):

1) Just AWFUL defensive rebounding

2) Poor defense (though I think this was more related to to the lack of rebounding than actual defense - more on that).

3) Complete ZERO from 3 key players: Martini, Hayes and Derkack.

4) FT shooting.

Obviously we can always find more, but the above are the most important elements, surely.

Awful Defensive Rebounding: I think this was the most important, BY FAR of the reasons RU lost. The problem was not only giving up 18 offensive rebounds, but more importantly, it felt like Indiana SCORED on nearly every offensive rebound they got (sometimes a team might get an offensive rebound, but not score). Indiana scored 34 2nd chance pints on 18 offensive rebounds ... that is a RIDICULOUSLY efficient conversion rate. RU was not great wit offensive rebounds, but scored just 8 points on 7 offensive rebounds ... the same conversion rate for RU would have added up to 12-13 points on 7 offensive rebounds, not just 8 points - for perspective. Now, Indiana did not get a score on EVERY offensive rebound (the "simple" math might suggest with 34 points might come from 17 rebounds (17x2, for 2 points for each basket). The reason we know this is that they were fouled on some - and other than Rice, missed a bunch of FT. AND ... I distinctly remember AT LEAST 4 3-pointers in the 1st half alone after offensive rebounds (including the half-ending heave) - often on scrambles that left IU players open for 3's. I would guess they got at least 1-2 other 3's in the 2nd half after offensive rebounds. So, this was truly the major problem - not unique for RU this season (Princetinm killed RU in this area most recently, as well).

Poor Defense: So ... I am going to be counter-intuitive here, and say that if you EXCLUDE the defensive rebounding element of defense (which really, you cannot), the defense was not as bad as you might think. But ... the defensive rebounding was SO bad, it had a huge negative influence on the overall defense. That said, even with all the offensive rebound put-backs, especially by Ballo, RU held Indiana to under 36% FG from 2-point range (16-45) ... that is actually pretty GOOD defense.

One problem with the defense was that RU allowed a team shooting 30% from 3 coming into the game to shoot 44.4% on the game. Now, some will say it is because the defense was bad and gave up a lot of open 3's - and there is merit to that argument. On the other hand, Indiana has MISSED plenty of open 3's this season, so them missing open 3's would not have been a poor assumption coming into the game, as a defensive gameplan.

Besides IU hitting so many open 3's, it was the likely 5-6 3's they hit AFTER offensive rebounds that really hurt ... and that skews our perception of RU's defensive performance - not that it does not count, but scramble defense is different than straight-up defense. Now, it is likely that IU got so many offensive rebounds in part because RU's defensive rotations were not good enough, so that when a player went over to help on defense, other players did not rotate to be in a position to box out ... or because defensive help WAS required on too many plays that allowed weakside offensive rebounds. All fair points, if you saw that. I am not sure myself.

Another issue with the defense was that without Harper, Pikiell had to play Martini and Acuff (and in the 2nd half,, Hayes) much more than desired. How does that affect the defense? Well, almost every time Acuff entered the game, RU went to a 2-3 zone ... and when Hayes was in the same. In fact, I presume Hayes did not play in the 1st half because Pikiell just could not deal with Hayes' lack of defense - and the match-ups for Hayes would have been poor. Pikiell seemed forced to play Hayes in the 2nd half because no one other than Bailey was scoring. The problem with the zone was multi-fold: a) even worse offensive rebounding - tougher to rebound out of a zone), and b) MUCH less defensive pressure can be put on the opposing team guards. As to the pressure issue, some will say you can pressure out of the zone. That is true, but NOT with Hayes and Acuff - those 2 in the game prevent RU from playing ANY pressure defense. So, without Harper there was a ripple effect of losing any hope of consistently pressuring IU's guards, who have been turnover prone, essentially disappeared.

ZERO From Hayes/Martini/Derkack: So ... `Martini had 3 open 3's - missed them all. Hayes did not play in the 1st half - played 8 minutes in the 2nd half, had 5-6 open 3-point looks, took JUST 2 of them - did force a 3rd 3 ... and missed all of them, plus a wide open lay-up off a nice drive. Derkack did hit 3-4 FT, but otherwise was 0-3 FG ... a total of 0-10 FG, 0-7 3-point FG from those 3. That in 47 minutes of playing time ... which would be cut in half if Harper had been available (not by Harper minutes, because some of Acuff's and Davis' minutes would have gone to Harper also). 47 minutes, 3 points (on 3-4 FT), 0-10 FG, 0-7 3-point, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, 10 fouls (though 3-4 were at the end of the game when RU was intentionally fouling). Just awful. I guess Grant must just be awful in practice not to supplant Martini and/or Hayes.

FT Shooting: Ugh ... and Bailey again, just 3-8 FT ... But RU also missed FT's at TERRIBLE times ... 2 front-ends of 1 and 1's (Acuff and Bailey) - and both at particularly harmful times of the game (Bailey when RU was down 52-59). And for the life of me I have ZERO idea why Pikiell chose BAILEY to take the FT's after Bailey had hit a 3, and IU committed a dead ball technical foul ... he could have chose ANY RU player on the court to shoot those FT's, and both Sommerville and Williams were on the floor, both much better FT shooters ... it was 48-59, and Bailey was about to hit another great 3-point shot ... should have been an 8-point possession, basically, to get to 54-59, rather than 52-59 ... RU then got a stop, and Bailey missed the front-end ... that was an ENORMOUS sequence that could have, and maybe should have had RU down no worse than 54-59, but maybe even 56-59. IU followed with 2 made 3's in a span for 4 possessions (at least 1 off an offensive rebound) ... just a killer momentum killer.

Players (not going to go through all of them in individual paragraphs):

Bailey: For those who only care about the season (which I agree should be the most important element of rooting for and feeling good about the team), but I DO enjoy watching special players, even if we lose. I refuse to apologize for that. Abd bailey ... well that was a special performance, as good in many ways as Harper's performances against Notre Dame and Alabama, and either the #1 or #2 freshman scoring game of the season in all of college basketball season. Yes, he took a couple of bad shots (I do not mean contested shots, but bad judgment shots) - in particular a bad choice to take a deep 3 with the score 53-65, which he airballed. Even so, he was simply ridiculously good. Yeah, no assists ... but why should he have passed, generally? Him taking a shot in this game was generally a way better choice and option than anyone else taking a shot. Plus, 8 rebounds, 4 blocked shots and ZERO turnovers .. the main problem, which really hurt RU, was the 3-8 FT - his 2nd wipeout FT performance. BTW: His after-game comments with Pikiell were excellent, and the right attitude: a) Mainly matters ot win; and b) when asked about how he did so well, mainly complimented his teammates for setting good picks, making good passes, getting him the ball in good position to score ... and his body language when Pikiell was asked about FT's: Clearly Bailey was angry at himself and knew he messed up.

Sommerville/Ogbole: Ogbole did poorly - was pushed around by Ballo, though he did end up with 3 rebounds in jst 9 minutes. Sommerville was ... okay, no better. He did make a couple of decent defensive plays, and had 5 rebounds ijn 27 minutes, but really did not do much to limit Ballo's rebounding. He was better than Ogbole in bodying up Ballo in straight-up defense. Hit a few good shots, but had 3 bad turnovers - including being unable what was admittedly a bullet pass from Acuff ... Sommerville catches that and scores, and IU probably does not get that heave 3 ... and it is 36-38 at half, not 34-41 ... a big turnaround.

Davis: Some good, some not as good. He was 0-2 from 3 - when RU was desperate to hit some outside shots other than Bailey. Did a decent (not as good as the last few games, but at least OK) job on Rice (6-15 FG), was 3-5 2-point FG and 3-4 FT ... and 3 assists with ZERO turnovers ... now up to 26 assists and 6 turnovers for the season. Up to 58% FT from 53%, FG% is creeping up - now 33% (38% from 2-point raneg) - still not good enough of course, but gradually improving.

Williams: Really forced his drives causing too many turnovers, and missed those back to back 12 footers (missed, got his own rebound, missed again). But otherwise okay: 3 assists, 8 rebounds, 8 points. That would have been fine if the Hayes/Martini combo in particular had hit even 2-3 3's. But in a game where Hayes/Martini/Derkakc are 0-10 FG, RU needed more from Williams.

Acuff: Clearly in the rotation now - so a 8-man rotation, plus Martini/Hayes situational. Still, when he is in the game, it is clear Pikiell is concerned about playing man defense ... that is a problem, eh? He was ... okay .. sort of ... just not enough, plus 2 turnovers, 1-3 from 3, only 2 rebounds, a missed lay-up also.

Bummer, result, of course., Just too many flaws that wasted an otherwordly performance by a special player in Bailey - even without Harper, if ANYONE else had risen to be a 14-15 point player this game RU probably would have won.
Pretty spot on in terms of the game analysis. I think you make a great point that the “defense” problem was really a defensive REBOUNDING problem, mostly. I always enjoy your posts, short or long or medium.

As for your point about enjoyment — I do find myself actually LAUGHING with joy and bewilderment when Ace or Dylan make a ridiculous play. There’s no doubt they are thoroughly enjoyable to watch from an individual standpoint.

BUT, I am CRYING in the inside with each passing game and realizing that Pike absolutely BLEW IT in assembling this supporting cast, and realizing that Rutgers missed a GOLDEN opportunity to have a special season. Rutgers is Rutgers is Rutgers, yet again, like Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown. My heart actually HURTS when I watch this team yak away this golden opportunity in the slow motion of a 31 game season.
 
Welcome back to the board.

This game could have been won despite the flaws with a few of a limited selection of plays. JMike doesn't drive 1 on 5 after a key steal. Ace doesn't have the bad luck to swat the last shot of the first half quit as far, any of several 3 point attempts go down. I forget whose missed bunny gets turned into a fast break. 2 of Indiana's first 3 3v pointers were shots off of "look what i found" rebounds, and of course foul shots.


With the same flow of play otherwise, a few of those change and we could have won.
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that was an absolute back breaker....4 feels like it is an even game and 7 feels like you are behind.

That is 1 of the 18 OREB you can't blame RU on
 
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I'd like to emotionally detach myself from the team this season so I can be thoroughly entertained by the Harper/Bailey show regardless of the game outcomes. Not sure if I can do that.
 
BUT, I am CRYING in the inside with each passing game and realizing that Pike absolutely BLEW IT in assembling this supporting cast, and realizing that Rutgers missed a GOLDEN opportunity to have a special season. Rutgers is Rutgers is Rutgers, yet again, like Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown. My heart actually HURTS when I watch this team yak away this golden opportunity in the slow motion of a 31 game season.
I know ... I get it. Me, too at times.

But if I dwell on it I get really depressed - which is not good for me. So I choose not to dwell on it, and for mental health purposes try to find enjoyment and pleasure in even small things - and dwell on THOSE.

RU has enough raw talent to make a run, even during the regular season. They do, naysayers aside. It IS true RU has shown no indication they WILL do so, nor that it can be sustained. But frankly, the supporting cast has enough ability - but they have not DONE IT this season .. which unfortunately happens sometime. I mean Williams is a good player - who has underperformed (is it his taking too seriously the leadership mantle, and forcing things, is it too small a sample size, is it being dinged up with the shoulder and now maybe his knees?).

I was never sure of Acuff - but 34% overall FG, 4-15 from 2? ... he is a career 43% overall FG% shooter, a career 50%+ shooter from 2-point range (and over 50% 2-pointers each of his prior 3 seasons) ... even with the upgrade in competition, he ought to be doing better than he has ... his foot?

Hayes only needed to be a situational shooter - and he is hitting 37% of his 3's - but way too many 0-3, 1-5 games, so he can't play much.

Davis has athletic chops, on-ball defensive skills, and currently has a GREAT assist/turnover ratio - he just needs to get his FG% up (been creeping up the last 5 games he has been starting).

Derkack has has been WAY below his norm on 2-point FG% - even with the upgrade in schedule he ought to be hitting more shots. Its a mystery.

Sommerville has some skills - though bad defensively. Frankly, combined, Sommerville and Ogbole are averaging 12 ppg and 8 rpg in 33 mpg ... 57% FG, 2.7 offensive rebounds per game. Omoruyi, in 27 mpg last year, averaged 10.4 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 52% FG ... he did average 2.9 blocks and 0.7 steals per game. Woolfolk averaged 3 ppg and 3 rpg in 14 mpg (in 49% FG) ... he and Omoruyi averaged 13.4 ppg and 11.4 rpg (4.9 off reb/g) in 41 mpg to Ogbole/Sommerville's current 12 ppg and 8 rpg in 33 mpg. Truing it up to 40 mpg: Ogbole Sommerville are at 14.5 ppg, 9.7 rpg and 3.3 off reb/game - on MUCH more efficient FG%. Sure, the defense is lacking - though I contend Omoruyi was not nearly the defender last season RU fans think he was ... but they do not seem to be the problem.

I think we can all agree Martini has just been a bust, and a miss ... and frankly, his resume versus Derkack and Acuff was much less impressive, other than he played for Princeton (meaning on the roster).

But even so, there is some talent to go along with Bailey and Harper ... it has just underperformed. Not sure what to do with that ... Hope for better?
 
RU has enough raw talent to make a run, even during the regular season. They do, naysayers aside. It IS true RU has shown no indication they WILL do so, nor that it can be sustained. But frankly, the supporting cast has enough ability - but they have not DONE IT this season .. which unfortunately happens sometime. I mean Williams is a good player - who has underperformed (is it his taking too seriously the leadership mantle, and forcing things, is it too small a sample size, is it being dinged up with the shoulder and now maybe his knees?).
That is exactly how I see it. Both Harper and Bailey have exceeded my expectations and with 3 other guys who are just OK, but are dialed in we should be good enough to play like a Top 30 team. We will see. I don't like the size of the hole we have dug.

Our WAB is now -2.1....the lowest we hit in '22 was -2.3. That was actually in early Feb.
 
We are in a pickle. The roster is flawed. The defense gets worse with any other lineup, right?

Can we take advantage of putting some 3 point shooters that are minus defenders (Acuff, PJ, Martini)? With 2 stars and 1 ball, it doesn't look like it. Ace is not a drive and kick guy. He is a dribble and shoot guy.

Maybe Pike underestimated Dylan's ability to get to the rim? Maybe he would have gotten some defensive plus players if he knew Dylan would not need any help with spot-up shooters.

Where my brain breaks is when Lathan clogs the post when Dylan or Ace has the ball on the wing. It happens every game. That tells me that the staff hasn't explained what everyone's role is on offense. Dylan and Ace have to "explain" it by waving him out.

Davis going 1 on 3 or 4 after the steal was insane. There was NO chance he was going to convert and he is a shitty free throw shooter. Zero awareness of what your role and value is.

With this roster, playing smarter(know your role) on offense is our only option.
 
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