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Prominent Anonymous Booster: They will lose me if they keep Flood

So you think it is more plausible that a guy with diminishing access in Politi is believed, by a "prominent booster", to have the ear of the President of the University more so than the person he hired to run his athletic department?

That sounds even remotely possible to you?
No, man you completely misunderstood me. Look, let me be blunt. First everyone needs to set aside their hate for Advance long enough to think clearly. That done, we can stop just accusing Politi of lies and ask ourselves why would someone want this published? Who would reach out to the press? Someone who feels they should have a say and isn't getting it, maybe. Someone getting out there to do damage control over Towers' comments. Hell it could be someone doing the groundwork on Barchi's behalf. This article has been written at least partly at someone else's behest and there is a definite purpose behind it. A message is being sent here and my point is that we would get further trying to figure out the who what and why instead of playing "I'm broccoli and I look like a tree" with pictures of Politi. Right or wrong?

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No, man you completely misunderstood me. Look, let me be blunt. First everyone needs to set aside their hate for Advance long enough to think clearly. That done, we can stop just accusing Politi of lies and ask ourselves why would someone want this published? Who would reach out to the press? Someone who feels they should have a say and isn't getting it, maybe. Someone getting out there to do damage control over Towers' comments. Hell it could be someone doing the groundwork on Barchi's behalf. This article has been written at least partly at someone else's behest and there is a definite purpose behind it. A message is being sent here and my point is that we would get further trying to figure out the who what and why instead of playing "I'm broccoli and I look like a tree" with pictures of Politi. Right or wrong?

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Engaging the Polidiot and what he is thinking creating this article? I'd rather have my balls rubbed raw with a cheese grater. Count me out on that stupidity.

You are over complicating a non complicated issue. Polidiot needs clicks. He can get them by creating articles that people like NIRH will click. Most people can see it for what it is, which is just that.

Next.
 
This board has hit an all time low. There are a number of people who incessantly post complete maniacal bs. Do some of you people work or have families or social lives? Jesus, what a bunch of miserable children.

Forget the lambert trophy, the solid bowl win, the top 30 recruiting class until recently. Forget the APR etc etc. You people too quickly scurry to evil. Quoting and posting politi. I can't even believe it. You should just join the ttfp and be done with it.
 
This board has hit an all time low. There are a number of people who incessantly post complete maniacal bs. Do some of you people work or have families or social lives? Jesus, what a bunch of miserable children.

Forget the lambert trophy, the solid bowl win, the top 30 recruiting class until recently. Forget the APR etc etc. You people too quickly scurry to evil. Quoting and posting politi. I can't even believe it. You should just join the ttfp and be done with it.

Plus the endless blowouts, the coaching and pr fiascos, the arrests, the inability to get any of the top recruits from his own state or any of his players drafted into the nfl. But hey we have all those wins over cupcakes and teams like Maryland and north Carolina when they're 7 and 5. I remember when this board talked about being a perennial top 25 program. Do you see that happening with a coach that gets completely destroyed 3 to 4 times a year every single year?
 
This board has hit an all time low. There are a number of people who incessantly post complete maniacal bs. Do some of you people work or have families or social lives? Jesus, what a bunch of miserable children.

Forget the lambert trophy, the solid bowl win, the top 30 recruiting class until recently. Forget the APR etc etc. You people too quickly scurry to evil. Quoting and posting politi. I can't even believe it. You should just join the ttfp and be done with it.
I have to admit, I found your comments so original and absolutely hysterical. I loved it.
 
No, man you completely misunderstood me. Look, let me be blunt. First everyone needs to set aside their hate for Advance long enough to think clearly. That done, we can stop just accusing Politi of lies and ask ourselves why would someone want this published? Who would reach out to the press? Someone who feels they should have a say and isn't getting it, maybe. Someone getting out there to do damage control over Towers' comments. Hell it could be someone doing the groundwork on Barchi's behalf. This article has been written at least partly at someone else's behest and there is a definite purpose behind it. A message is being sent here and my point is that we would get further trying to figure out the who what and why instead of playing "I'm broccoli and I look like a tree" with pictures of Politi. Right or wrong?

broccoliwalnutmushroom.jpg
There are a numbet of active posters on this forum who could technically be called prominent donors that want to see Flood gone. Whoever it was decided to remain anonymous. I see no courage in that.
 
* Booster says he wants Flood to stay*
Politi and Message Board: Rutgers shouldn't bend over for boosters like this

*Booster says he wants Flood to leave*
Politi and Message Board: Listen to this man!

*booster says he wants flood to stay*
sane people: RU shouldn't bend over for boosters like this

*booster wants flood to leave*
sane people: RU shouldn't bend over for boosters like this

flood did enough to see himself out the door. has nothing to do with boosters.
 
Finally, common sense, and a booster more concerned with RU than his own ego has spoken.

Politi (for once) totally nails the situation and the idiocy of allowing Towers, a Wisconsin alum with a connection to Flood but none to RU, commit NCAA violations on RU's behalf and claim to speak for people whom he does not.

If we're just going to take money from anyone, I'm sure James Franklin and Kevin Plank would be glad to extend Flood's contract.

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ter_bully_it_into_keeping_k.html#incart_river

#1 fans NEVER tweet kids

However, 1/3 of boosters at any school didn't go to the school FYI.

Flood is not the problem at Rutgers, just my opinion, but Schiano in B1G wouldn't be that different. Infrastructure is what you guys need and some luck.
 
#1 fans NEVER tweet kids

However, 1/3 of boosters at any school didn't go to the school FYI.

Flood is not the problem at Rutgers, just my opinion, but Schiano in B1G wouldn't be that different. Infrastructure is what you guys need and some luck.
like, bridges and roads? network infrastructure?

RU's facilities are middle of the pack. arguably in the top half of the conference. point is - they're not the issue.
 
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Our facilities are not in the top half of the conference, but they are not the problem.

Our facilities will likely never reside in the top half. OSU, Michigan, Nebraska, PSU and now Maryland with Plank will always outspend us. That leaves us in a constant cycle of who upgraded most recently with MSU, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois and Indiana. Purdue is Purdue.

We might not have the shiniest stuff in the conference, but any coach has what he needs to be competitive.
 
*booster says he wants flood to stay*
sane people: RU shouldn't bend over for boosters like this

*booster wants flood to leave*
sane people: RU shouldn't bend over for boosters like this

This.

I don't know whether Politi made up the booster quote or not. But the significant quote in the Politi column is the one he noted was said a few years ago:

Barchi was clear: "I don't make my decisions based on philanthropy," he said in an interview, "and the university doesn't either."
 
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That's your opinion and your certainly entitled to it. I personally disagree. I think the rule that he broke was stupid. I think separation between coaches and teachers is ridiculous - coaches are teachers too. Most football fans like flood. they were happy with 8 and 5 and a bowl win. Most of the students I know think the school is out of control at times. That's my small sample of the world. There were people at the game around me that didn't even know Flood was suspended and I am a season ticket holder. They did know about the criminals though - everyone likes a good crime novel I guess. Everyone wants the big time coaches. Do people realize that these guys come with their own rule books? None of them would be bothered to try to even teach a kid, if there were an issue with a kid, you can bet a booster would be doing the kid's homework and getting that grade. When and if we go after The Dream coach, you can bet the rules we're so fond of (eligibility, class requirements, whatever) will have changed by then. I hope it never happens. If Urban Meyer had reviewed a kid's homework, people would have sainted him. Only in NJ, where everything is about politics, politics of power, does a HC get crucified for something so trivial. p.s. Anyone using a computer for their own personal use, to post to a forum for example, is in violation of company rules and is subject to dismissal. If you touch someone in a workplace setting, no matter how innocent (on the leg for example) you are subject to an EEO violation if the person complained that they felt uncomfortable. When a coach like flood has advisors that are supposed to be helping the players, tutoring etc, how is it that he is checking the kids homework? No one has heard Flood's side yet everyone buries him with glee. I hope you all don't get caught up in breaking some rule that "clearly you broke", "knew you were breaking", and thus deserve the punishment you were given, no matter how harsh it might be.

First, let me qualify my thoughts on the topic of H.C. Kyle Flood. I've tried to remain neutral on the topic of him staying/going in order to give him at least a 3-4 year body of work to consider. The exceptions: I would have outright called for his firing had we lost to U.S.F. two years ago (straw that would've broke the camel's back during a disastrous season), and I felt that the team's overall performance during the initial B1G season last year justified at least one more season.

During those 3 years, however, we've lost games we shouldn't have, gotten blown out by not just top teams, and have seen some arguably boneheaded personnel and scheme decisions over and over again. The one thing that seemed to remain consistent was the idea of Rutgers football continuing to "do it the right way", with integrity, great APR, and a clean off-the-field record.

That was shattered in the lead-up to this season. I was one of the first posters to say that a simple e-mail to a professor before semester's end asking if a student can do anything extra to improve their grade is not a big deal and but a minor Rutgers policy violation. But then we find out that Flood had done this at least weeks after he had failed the class, had ignored the advice of academic advisement not to proceed, and tried to meet the professor incognito in freaking Princeton. All this for a student who was not only already academically ineligible from the spring semester, but also was under investigation and later got arrested for assault, which to me smacks of absolute bumbling and stupidity. The multiple player arrests and dismissals were a blow to all of us; while Flood did the right thing and reported them to authorities without making rash decisions, the fact that such egregious crimes were able to occur under his watch is also telling of an atmosphere lacking of team accountability. (I'm not even discussing Carroo here, because I can't disagree with his involvement and don't fully believe anyone's story in that case).

Combine the academic meddling, undisciplined atmosphere leading to numerous penalties and multiple arrests, and a record that is mediocre at best (and very bad against winning teams), and Flood has lost my support. Unless an extremely unlikely 6-6/7-5 regular season occurs (which we'd have to beat some legitimate teams for), I hope he gets replaced at season's end.
 
I am straight up calling Politi a liar. No real booster worth anything would talk to him about anything.

There is no need to. They can say it directly to the AD.

No Lip is just looking for clicks. And people like BotinRHouse are easy marks.
I'm finally being convinced that the Politi haters are right.
Here's a SCOOP. A "booster" has an opinion that was heard third hand by a writer who is not invited to actually write about the team because he is so negative about their chances. The writer has a front page piece published that speculates that the booster might do something with his money. Writer dubs what MIGHT happen, "calling shots" with the athletic program. Writer WONDERS what might happen if....predicts that...and gets paid to write: "add this to the list of problems in Piscataway." Here's the problem: the double-edged sword of residing in the NYC market includes total exposure to your team. However, there are adversaries in that same media who are real enemies for your program. They are publicity whores who don't care where there words wind up.
Who is making the POLITI LIES! tee shirts?
 
Although the question does beg itself. Perhaps this donor has contacted Julie. Perhaps there was a realization there that Julie doesn't really drive the bus at the AD's office. It seems pretty obvious to me that's the case. If so, with no open line of communication to Barchi, talking to Politi is a messenger of last resort.

FACT
 
No, man you completely misunderstood me. Look, let me be blunt. First everyone needs to set aside their hate for Advance long enough to think clearly. That done, we can stop just accusing Politi of lies and ask ourselves why would someone want this published? Who would reach out to the press? Someone who feels they should have a say and isn't getting it, maybe. Someone getting out there to do damage control over Towers' comments. Hell it could be someone doing the groundwork on Barchi's behalf. This article has been written at least partly at someone else's behest and there is a definite purpose behind it. A message is being sent here and my point is that we would get further trying to figure out the who what and why instead of playing "I'm broccoli and I look like a tree" with pictures of Politi. Right or wrong?
Well sure, it could be a scenario as convoluted and complicated and Machiavellian as you suggest. Lots of assumptions in that scenario though. Tons.

Or we could simply assume that Politi is lying, or at best stretching the truth (e.g. donor = a one ticket season ticket holder). Occam's razor tells us that the simplest answer with the fewest assumptions is probably the correct one.

So even William of Occam says Politi is full of shit.
 
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Sometimes - but only sometimes - the AD will fire the whole staff. This is pretty rare because any program wants some amount of transitional continuity for the players.

An incoming coach will usually determine which coordinators and coaches stay vs. who gets replaced.

Rossi, GTFO, Wilson (Seconday), GTFO, Browning, GTFO. I'm ready to tell McDaniels to GTFO as well.
 
Does the local media - the useless combination of Sullivan/Politi/Duggan/Manahan/Sargeant.et. al - really want to act like real journalists or just a bunch of buffoons thinking they wield so much power over the local university.
 
Does the local media - the useless combination of Sullivan/Politi/Duggan/Manahan/Sargeant.et. al - really want to act like real journalists or just a bunch of buffoons thinking they wield so much power over the local university.

Now Sullivan is part of the conspiracy?!? Really? First time reading her?
 
"Does Rutgers bumbling brain trust – the useless combination of president Robert Barchi and athletic director Julie Hermann – really want it to appear as if one solitary contributor wields this much power regarding a coach’s future?"

Ouch.
Sullivan is still pissed that Tim Pernetti got canned.

Its kind of ironic, because if Tim had made a better choice than picking Flood, Barchi and Hermann wouldn't have had to deal with this crap.
 
Now Sullivan is part of the conspiracy?!? Really? First time reading her?
No its not the first time I've seen her stuff. All these guys are the same pretty much to varying degrees. She's been pissed since TP was let go.

Think about that terminology "useless combination" sorry that sounds like a message board post or something personal not something coming out of what is supposed to be a professional journalist. Sounds more like tabloid commentary. So as such it doesn't get answered with much reasoned response.

If you make reasonable commentary, you deserve reasonable response. I've always said it doesn't matter really what they say. They don't make any tangible contribution to the university or the AD. We do. Buy tickets, make donations, buy merchandise, etc...All they do is spew hot air most of the time. So be it. That's the environment we live in and have to accept it. We just have to go about our business and do what we need to get done.

These guys most of the time do nothing but blow mountains out of molehills and sensationalize. Tweets from a booster is barely worth mentioning let alone making anything out of it. But the few times when they talk about something real it's worthy of a discussion.

Take Politi's article yesterday about how much influence a booster should have. Forget about whether you want Flood to stay or go. They obviously come from the side of firing Flood but forget that for a moment. Should one person or small group be able to have influence on that decision of keeping or firing a coach. To me it's a function of what they ask and how much they donate. They always should be heard and made to feel part of the process but they shouldn't have the final say. But I do think if they donate a large amount they can have influence if what they're asking for isn't so far out of bounds.

Hypothetical:

Say Towers says keep Flood on and I'll donate 50M for the athletic facilities? Should we turn that down? I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand and I'd say how about you also donate some for Flood's staff so we have a world class staff beneath him and give him the best chance to succeed. Maybe give him a year or two assuming no more off field stuff. So there's a give/take there and how much give and how much take is a function of how many zeroes IMO. Flood's behavior wasn't good but he's not the scum of the earth. But say he was or did something very egregious like Petrino or what not then maybe even that kind of donation or any size donation isn't enough to excuse the behavior. So to me it all depends on different factors and it's a case by case basis.

Point is his article yesterday even if it was skewed from one side can stimulate a conversation like that whichever side you fall on. Problem is most of the time they just blurt out tabloid trash and sensational garbage not worthy of anything but lining your litter box. Oh wait wasn't someone asking about that in a thread? Looks like we have a winner.
 
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like, bridges and roads? network infrastructure?

RU's facilities are middle of the pack. arguably in the top half of the conference. point is - they're not the issue.

Well that job director of indoctrination sounds something the USSR would have.

Those of you who know me i regular post here and have sent my research to RU. I submitted my alcohol at university events study to them of which many of you partook in. My doctorate is in sports management.

Now facilities I generally count as:

Facilities:
Basketball Arena
Football Stadium (Seating capacity is not quality, Beaver stadium is crap, but it’s big)
Non-revenue Arenas/complex
Football Training facilities (aka M-F facilities)
Basketball Training facilities
Non-Revenue Training facilities
Indoor facility (Only necessary if you are in cold climate, but now used as recruiting tool)

Infrastructure:
General football operations
Gameday operations
Recruiting budget
Public relations and marketing department
Academic and moral support

So let’s rate our neck of the woods:

Penn State:

Faclities:
Basketball Arena = B+
Football Stadium = B (If you want size it’s a A+, if you want condition and look C-)
Non-revenue Arenas = A+
Football Training facilities = A+
Basketball Training facilities = B+
Non-Revenue Training facilities = A+
Proximity = A
Indoor facility = A

Infrastructure:
General football operations = A
Gameday operations = A++
Recruiting budget = A++
Public relations and marketing department = A
Academic and moral support = A (covering up counts too)

Maryland

Facilities:
Basketball Arena = A++
Football Stadium = B
Non-revenue Arenas = B+
Football Training facilities = B+ (will be A++ with New Cole http://colefieldhouse.umd.edu/)
Basketball Training facilities = B
Non-Revenue Training facilities = C- (this will be a B+ when non-revenue takes over existing football facilities when New Cole Built)
Proximity = A
Indoor facility = N/A (will be A++ with New Cole)

Infrastructure:
General football operations = B-
Gameday operations = C
Recruiting budget = D
Public relations and marketing department = A++ (MD won marketing school of the year)
Academic and moral support = A-

Rutgers
Facliities:
Basketball Arena = D
Football Stadium = B-
Non-revenue Arenas = C-
Football Training facilities = B+
Basketball Training facilities = D-
Non-Revenue Training facilities = C-
Indoor facility = C

Infrastructure:
General football operations = C
Gameday operations = C-
Recruiting budget = D
Public relations and marketing department = F-
Academic and moral support = C- (Academic support is great = A, but keeping kids out of trouble not so good)


So yea facilities is a general term, but it can be broke down a lot. Larger stadiums sell more tickets more money. Smaller ones are easier to maintain and upgrade. Non-revenue are just money sinks. The infrastructure that supports basketball and football are huge. You need lots of good people and money to keep the machines running smoothly. Rutgers is just getting in the big time game of football and the differences are negligible for teams 8-12. However, non-revenue is way way behind. I wouldn't worry about that, those guys catch up as basketball and football get their act together.
 
Well that job director of indoctrination sounds something the USSR would have.

Those of you who know me i regular post here and have sent my research to RU. I submitted my alcohol at university events study to them of which many of you partook in. My doctorate is in sports management.

Now facilities I generally count as:

Facilities:
Basketball Arena
Football Stadium (Seating capacity is not quality, Beaver stadium is crap, but it’s big)
Non-revenue Arenas/complex
Football Training facilities (aka M-F facilities)
Basketball Training facilities
Non-Revenue Training facilities
Indoor facility (Only necessary if you are in cold climate, but now used as recruiting tool)

Infrastructure:
General football operations
Gameday operations
Recruiting budget
Public relations and marketing department
Academic and moral support

So let’s rate our neck of the woods:

Penn State:

Faclities:
Basketball Arena = B+
Football Stadium = B (If you want size it’s a A+, if you want condition and look C-)
Non-revenue Arenas = A+
Football Training facilities = A+
Basketball Training facilities = B+
Non-Revenue Training facilities = A+
Proximity = A
Indoor facility = A

Infrastructure:
General football operations = A
Gameday operations = A++
Recruiting budget = A++
Public relations and marketing department = A
Academic and moral support = A (covering up counts too)

Maryland

Facilities:
Basketball Arena = A++
Football Stadium = B
Non-revenue Arenas = B+
Football Training facilities = B+ (will be A++ with New Cole http://colefieldhouse.umd.edu/)
Basketball Training facilities = B
Non-Revenue Training facilities = C- (this will be a B+ when non-revenue takes over existing football facilities when New Cole Built)
Proximity = A
Indoor facility = N/A (will be A++ with New Cole)

Infrastructure:
General football operations = B-
Gameday operations = C
Recruiting budget = D
Public relations and marketing department = A++ (MD won marketing school of the year)
Academic and moral support = A-

Rutgers
Facliities:
Basketball Arena = D
Football Stadium = B-
Non-revenue Arenas = C-
Football Training facilities = B+
Basketball Training facilities = D-
Non-Revenue Training facilities = C-
Indoor facility = C

Infrastructure:
General football operations = C
Gameday operations = C-
Recruiting budget = D
Public relations and marketing department = F-
Academic and moral support = C- (Academic support is great = A, but keeping kids out of trouble not so good)


So yea facilities is a general term, but it can be broke down a lot. Larger stadiums sell more tickets more money. Smaller ones are easier to maintain and upgrade. Non-revenue are just money sinks. The infrastructure that supports basketball and football are huge. You need lots of good people and money to keep the machines running smoothly. Rutgers is just getting in the big time game of football and the differences are negligible for teams 8-12. However, non-revenue is way way behind. I wouldn't worry about that, those guys catch up as basketball and football get their act together.


actually b1g Terp, i think you're being kind to us. our bb arena is an F. football stadium is a B. basketball training is an F. non revenue is a D-
 
Well that job director of indoctrination sounds something the USSR would have.

Those of you who know me i regular post here and have sent my research to RU. I submitted my alcohol at university events study to them of which many of you partook in. My doctorate is in sports management.

Now facilities I generally count as:

Facilities:
Basketball Arena
Football Stadium (Seating capacity is not quality, Beaver stadium is crap, but it’s big)
Non-revenue Arenas/complex
Football Training facilities (aka M-F facilities)
Basketball Training facilities
Non-Revenue Training facilities
Indoor facility (Only necessary if you are in cold climate, but now used as recruiting tool)

Infrastructure:
General football operations
Gameday operations
Recruiting budget
Public relations and marketing department
Academic and moral support

So let’s rate our neck of the woods:

Penn State:

Faclities:
Basketball Arena = B+
Football Stadium = B (If you want size it’s a A+, if you want condition and look C-)
Non-revenue Arenas = A+
Football Training facilities = A+
Basketball Training facilities = B+
Non-Revenue Training facilities = A+
Proximity = A
Indoor facility = A

Infrastructure:
General football operations = A
Gameday operations = A++
Recruiting budget = A++
Public relations and marketing department = A
Academic and moral support = A (covering up counts too)

Maryland

Facilities:
Basketball Arena = A++
Football Stadium = B
Non-revenue Arenas = B+
Football Training facilities = B+ (will be A++ with New Cole http://colefieldhouse.umd.edu/)
Basketball Training facilities = B
Non-Revenue Training facilities = C- (this will be a B+ when non-revenue takes over existing football facilities when New Cole Built)
Proximity = A
Indoor facility = N/A (will be A++ with New Cole)

Infrastructure:
General football operations = B-
Gameday operations = C
Recruiting budget = D
Public relations and marketing department = A++ (MD won marketing school of the year)
Academic and moral support = A-

Rutgers
Facliities:
Basketball Arena = D
Football Stadium = B-
Non-revenue Arenas = C-
Football Training facilities = B+
Basketball Training facilities = D-
Non-Revenue Training facilities = C-
Indoor facility = C

Infrastructure:
General football operations = C
Gameday operations = C-
Recruiting budget = D
Public relations and marketing department = F-
Academic and moral support = C- (Academic support is great = A, but keeping kids out of trouble not so good)


So yea facilities is a general term, but it can be broke down a lot. Larger stadiums sell more tickets more money. Smaller ones are easier to maintain and upgrade. Non-revenue are just money sinks. The infrastructure that supports basketball and football are huge. You need lots of good people and money to keep the machines running smoothly. Rutgers is just getting in the big time game of football and the differences are negligible for teams 8-12. However, non-revenue is way way behind. I wouldn't worry about that, those guys catch up as basketball and football get their act together.

i don't disagree with a lot of what you wrote here but HPSS is far better than Byrd. Byrd is a terrible stadium.
 
Hard to believe that someone who at one time seemed thoughtful threw it all away in support of an athletic director who was, at best, sub-average.

What is most amazing is that she is acting like this is a Hermann created problem. I would really love to hear her explanation for that line of thought. Nor was Barchi president of Rutgers when Flood was hired, so it's awfully difficult to pin this on him either.

There really isn't a "Rutgers" problem here. The school has acted correctly: it removed the accused from the football team immediately, investigated the allegations related to its coach (knowing it would likely hurt the program), and then acted based on the correct story.

All Ms. Sullivan and her peers have done is get this wrong at every turn (i.e., the articles asking why Barchi and Hermann were not supporting Flood openly before the investigation was complete).

If Towers values Flood more than the university, then Sullivan is his equivalent. She values Pernetti more than the school. She should be ashamed.
 
Well that job director of indoctrination sounds something the USSR would have.

Those of you who know me i regular post here and have sent my research to RU. I submitted my alcohol at university events study to them of which many of you partook in. My doctorate is in sports management.

Now facilities I generally count as:

Facilities:
Basketball Arena
Football Stadium (Seating capacity is not quality, Beaver stadium is crap, but it’s big)
Non-revenue Arenas/complex
Football Training facilities (aka M-F facilities)
Basketball Training facilities
Non-Revenue Training facilities
Indoor facility (Only necessary if you are in cold climate, but now used as recruiting tool)

Infrastructure:
General football operations
Gameday operations
Recruiting budget
Public relations and marketing department
Academic and moral support

So let’s rate our neck of the woods:

Penn State:

Faclities:
Basketball Arena = B+
Football Stadium = B (If you want size it’s a A+, if you want condition and look C-)
Non-revenue Arenas = A+
Football Training facilities = A+
Basketball Training facilities = B+
Non-Revenue Training facilities = A+
Proximity = A
Indoor facility = A

Infrastructure:
General football operations = A
Gameday operations = A++
Recruiting budget = A++
Public relations and marketing department = A
Academic and moral support = A (covering up counts too)

Maryland

Facilities:
Basketball Arena = A++
Football Stadium = B
Non-revenue Arenas = B+
Football Training facilities = B+ (will be A++ with New Cole http://colefieldhouse.umd.edu/)
Basketball Training facilities = B
Non-Revenue Training facilities = C- (this will be a B+ when non-revenue takes over existing football facilities when New Cole Built)
Proximity = A
Indoor facility = N/A (will be A++ with New Cole)

Infrastructure:
General football operations = B-
Gameday operations = C
Recruiting budget = D
Public relations and marketing department = A++ (MD won marketing school of the year)
Academic and moral support = A-

Rutgers
Facliities:
Basketball Arena = D
Football Stadium = B-
Non-revenue Arenas = C-
Football Training facilities = B+
Basketball Training facilities = D-
Non-Revenue Training facilities = C-
Indoor facility = C

Infrastructure:
General football operations = C
Gameday operations = C-
Recruiting budget = D
Public relations and marketing department = F-
Academic and moral support = C- (Academic support is great = A, but keeping kids out of trouble not so good)


So yea facilities is a general term, but it can be broke down a lot. Larger stadiums sell more tickets more money. Smaller ones are easier to maintain and upgrade. Non-revenue are just money sinks. The infrastructure that supports basketball and football are huge. You need lots of good people and money to keep the machines running smoothly. Rutgers is just getting in the big time game of football and the differences are negligible for teams 8-12. However, non-revenue is way way behind. I wouldn't worry about that, those guys catch up as basketball and football get their act together.
agree with everything you wrote. in fact, you were charitable with us in terms of some grades. but facilities are not the issue here. success in upgrading facilities comes after success on the field, which in turn will theoretically kick off that cycle of cyclically increasing success on/off the field.

i'm wrong that they're even arguably in the top half of the b1g - i was still in big east/aac mode there. but still, they are not the issue. a coach with little/no success on the field or in recruiting. someone who purportedly had the character to make children into good men, who graduated, and did the right thing... instead is lying about eligibility, classes, grades, clandestine meetings, REVISING A PAPER. what P5 head coach has time or inclination to revise/edit a paper? unbelievable. facilities are not the pressing issue.

edit: and yes, he was also trying to hire a ridiculous "director of indoctrination"... although some of the posters here are less USSR and more baghdad bob:

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agree with everything you wrote. in fact, you were charitable with us in terms of some grades. but facilities are not the issue here. success in upgrading facilities comes after success on the field, which in turn will theoretically kick off that cycle of cyclically increasing success on/off the field.

i'm wrong that they're even arguably in the top half of the b1g - i was still in big east/aac mode there. but still, they are not the issue. a coach with little/no success on the field or in recruiting. someone who purportedly had the character to make children into good men, who graduated, and did the right thing... instead is lying about eligibility, classes, grades, clandestine meetings, REVISING A PAPER. what P5 head coach has time or inclination to revise/edit a paper? unbelievable. facilities are not the pressing issue.

edit: and yes, he was also trying to hire a ridiculous "director of indoctrination"... although some of the posters here are less USSR and more baghdad bob:

My main point was you need more infrastructure for a Big time athletic program than you need facility upgrades. Football carries the load and still needs more support.
 
agree with everything you wrote. in fact, you were charitable with us in terms of some grades. but facilities are not the issue here. success in upgrading facilities comes after success on the field, which in turn will theoretically kick off that cycle of cyclically increasing success on/off the field.

Thats simply not true. In 2004, rutgers built a new state of the art weight room facility, which was instrumental in giving a boost to recruiting, which enabled rutgers to realize a winning season in 2005. That facility helped us outrecruit syracuse and boston college for recruits.

facilities are a HUGE issue, because recruits get the impression of rutgers as a pauper program, especially after seeing facilities at Ohio State. who wants to play/practice in pauper facilities when you can play/practice in first class facilities?

We have to continue to build and improve our facilities, otherwise, we will be placed permanently in the B1g basement for all sports. Only our football facilities are competitive, though there is still room for improvement there. Our basketball facility is an embarrassment and so are most of our other facilities, though lacrosse seems somewhat decent.
 
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