QB Choice: Rettig Sealed His Fate When He Ran for a 1st Down....

[RutgersMO]

and then scampered in the red zone into the end zone.

Even the hint of a dual threat QB sends our staff (GS / Flood) into seizures.

Hope this works out....and hope Rettig doesn't get the Savage treatment.

MO

 

[MS-RU]

You know that Laviano can run it as well, right?

 

[Caliknight]

This is the reverse Savage treatment. We changed the system when we had a pro style QB. Now we are running the pro set with a proto type made for the system, and we name the more dual threat guy the starter.

The more I ponder this, the less sense it makes. Hopefully we hear Flood say Laviano is starting but Rettig will play. Not sure how you come to any other conclusion based on what transpired on the field Sat.

 

[SanFranRutgers]

This is the reverse Savage treatment. We changed the system when we had a pro style QB. Now we are running the pro set with a proto type made for the system, and we name the more dual threat guy the starter.

The more I ponder this, the less sense it makes. Hopefully we hear Flood say Laviano is starting but Rettig will play. Not sure how you come to any other conclusion based on what transpired on the field Sat.

Yes, because what's important is placating our skittish fan base.

 

[cRURah]

This is the reverse Savage treatment. We changed the system when we had a pro style QB. Now we are running the pro set with a proto type made for the system, and we name the more dual threat guy the starter.

The more I ponder this, the less sense it makes. Hopefully we hear Flood say Laviano is starting but Rettig will play. Not sure how you come to any other conclusion based on what transpired on the field Sat.

It's typical Flood and everyone expected him to start Laviano despite the obvious talent gap between the QBs. There's a reason Bobby predicted Laviano would start even though he believes Rettig is more talented and should be the starter. Flood is predictable as he is now known for doing the opposite of that which to most observers seems so obvious.

 

[RU848789]

and then scampered in the red zone into the end zone.

Even the hint of a dual threat QB sends our staff (GS / Flood) into seizures.

Hope this works out....and hope Rettig doesn't get the Savage treatment.

MO

Your post makes zero sense - most of Laviano's best plays last year were on runs.

 

[SirScarlet]

MO off his meds again...always make for interesting posts where I can never connect the logic dots. ..

; )

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Sarcasm meter is stuck; surely OP is joking.

Right?

 

[PhilaPhans]

Sadly, OP is not joking. Just ignorant of reality.

 

[IL Lusciato]

It's typical Flood and everyone expected him to start Laviano despite the obvious talent gap between the QBs. There's a reason Bobby predicted Laviano would start even though he believes Rettig is more talented and should be the starter. Flood is predictable as he is now known for doing the opposite of that which to most observers seems so obvious.

Hahahahaaaa. Kid has the highest rating in the NCAA - offense scores every single drive he is I. The game. CRuRah, says this equates to an "obviously less talented kid". This whole controversy is proof positive most people have no clue what's going on and just follow recruiting stars and fantasies.

 

[RU4Real]

Sadly, OP is not joking. Just ignorant of reality.

In fairness to Mo, "ignorant" isn't the right word. He just has a different reality. He's lived in our reality, but Janis and Jimi coaxed him out of it.

 

[Yeah Baby]

Both QB's looked very, very good to me. Watching it live I thought Laviano looked slightly better but watching it in replay and considering the factors I have them as very even.

Rettig was nearly perfect and the only thing that stopped us from scoring in the 1st half was penalties. He made one bad decision (probably didn;t see the LB who dropped the INT). Great outing for him and nice to see him tuck it and run. His passes were money. He had a beauty called back.

Laviano came in and the game changed or so it seemed. The factors that we have to consider is he had Carroo, our D stepped it up in the 2nd half, he had Carroo, the Norfolk D was worn out from our ground game, and he had Carroo. His first TD was underthrown but when you have a mismatch that is better than an overthrow. Great outing for Laviano.

Flood is keeping the possibility of using 2 QB's open. Maybe he needs to see more of Laviano (and Rettig) in tougher situations.

 

[PaKnight]

This is the reverse Savage treatment. We changed the system when we had a pro style QB. Now we are running the pro set with a proto type made for the system, and we name the more dual threat guy the starter.

The more I ponder this, the less sense it makes. Hopefully we hear Flood say Laviano is starting but Rettig will play. Not sure how you come to any other conclusion based on what transpired on the field Sat.

Laviano is not a dual threat guy.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Both QB's looked very, very good to me. Watching it live I thought Laviano looked slightly better but watching it in replay and considering the factors I have them as very even.

Rettig was nearly perfect and the only thing that stopped us from scoring in the 1st half was penalties. He made one bad decision (probably didn;t see the LB who dropped the INT). Great outing for him and nice to see him tuck it and run. His passes were money. He had a beauty called back.

Laviano came in and the game changed or so it seemed. The factors that we have to consider is he had Carroo, our D stepped it up in the 2nd half, he had Carroo, the Norfolk D was worn out from our ground game, and he had Carroo. His first TD was underthrown but when you have a mismatch that is better than an overthrow. Great outing for Laviano.

Flood is keeping the possibility of using 2 QB's open. Maybe he needs to see more of Laviano (and Rettig) in tougher situations.

I think you need to factor Caroo into your analysis.

 

[albanyknight]

Mo - Until Rettig ran for that 1st down, it was seen as the reverse. Rettig was perceived as a classic drop back passer while Laviano was perceived as having the added dimension of having the ability to escape the pocket.

I don't think Rettig running has had any influence on Floods decision. I like to look at it this way. Both QB's are far more mobile than Gary Nova and that is a good thing.

 

[T2Kplus10]

and then scampered in the red zone into the end zone.

Even the hint of a dual threat QB sends our staff (GS / Flood) into seizures.

Hope this works out....and hope Rettig doesn't get the Savage treatment.

MO

Nope.

This has Flood's MO all over it. He decided that CL was the starter a long time ago and is refusing to see that Rettig is actually better.

 

[JPhoboken]

This is the reverse Savage treatment. We changed the system when we had a pro style QB. Now we are running the pro set with a proto type made for the system, and we name the more dual threat guy the starter.

The more I ponder this, the less sense it makes. Hopefully we hear Flood say Laviano is starting but Rettig will play. Not sure how you come to any other conclusion based on what transpired on the field Sat.

Says it was body of work. Huh? It was neck and neck, by your own admission,

I hate when Flood says __________ gives us the best chance to win this week.

You are the coach, you can pick whoever you want, intuition, body of work, you like him better, you flipped a coin, we don't care, but stop with the best chance to win this week stuff.

Its demeaning to the guy who doesn't start and implies less chance to win if the other guy starts.

Just say __________ is the starter, and we'll go from there. I have confidence in both, but only 1 can start.

 

[mildone]

Both QB's looked very, very good to me. Watching it live I thought Laviano looked slightly better but watching it in replay and considering the factors I have them as very even.

Rettig was nearly perfect and the only thing that stopped us from scoring in the 1st half was penalties. He made one bad decision (probably didn;t see the LB who dropped the INT). Great outing for him and nice to see him tuck it and run. His passes were money. He had a beauty called back.

Laviano came in and the game changed or so it seemed. The factors that we have to consider is he had Carroo, our D stepped it up in the 2nd half, he had Carroo, the Norfolk D was worn out from our ground game, and he had Carroo. His first TD was underthrown but when you have a mismatch that is better than an overthrow. Great outing for Laviano.

Flood is keeping the possibility of using 2 QB's open. Maybe he needs to see more of Laviano (and Rettig) in tougher situations.

I think you need to factor Caroo into your analysis.

I think you both are close to right except that neither of you provided enough emphasis as to how much of of an impact Carroo made.

 

[mildone]

Nope.

This has Flood's MO all over it. He decided that CL was the starter a long time ago and is refusing to see that Rettig is actually better.

And we should take your opinion on that over that of the coaching staff because?

 

[RUtrumpet92]

I think you both are close to right except that neither of you provided enough emphasis as to how much of of an impact Carroo made.

Naaah, that guy Carroo is overrated. All he does is score touchdowns.

 

[motorb54]

T2Kplus10 and cRURah have been at all the practices and meetings so they know Rettig is best.

Wait...they haven't? Then how can they say CL didn't edge HR out?

 

[mildone]

T2Kplus10 and cRURah have been at all the practices and meetings so they know Rettig is best.

Wait...they haven't? Then how can they say CL didn't edge HR out?

Must be because Laviano threw so many incompletions in the game. No?

Interceptions? No?

I know, Laviano fumbled the ball a lot during the game. No?

Crossed the line of scrimmage with the ball and tried to throw it? The team looked sluggish when he was in? No, no?

smh

 

[T2Kplus10]

T2Kplus10 and cRURah have been at all the practices and meetings so they know Rettig is best.

Wait...they haven't? Then how can they say CL didn't edge HR out?

Oh, I forgot, yesterday's game and the last scrimmage were closed to the public. And John O's fine reporting staff never has access to practices either.
:rolleyes:

 

[Dr. Potato]

Flood wants to win more than anyone. He picked the QB he thinks will give the team the best chance to win. That's good enough for me.

 

[SanFranRutgers]

Nope.

This has Flood's MO all over it. He decided that CL was the starter a long time ago and is refusing to see that Rettig is actually better.

Epic Trolling, my friend. Epic.

 

[RedSpartan]

T2Kplus10 and cRURah have been at all the practices and meetings so they know Rettig is best.

Wait...they haven't? Then how can they say CL didn't edge HR out?

Bobby has, and he said yesterday that Rettig had the better camp and better game, but he expected Flood to pick Laviano anyway.

 

[ru66]

such nonsense about this qb choice--and as for Julie , her position isn't so great-- if you think she's capable of making a great hire at this stage of her stay at RU, think again

 

[mildone]

Bobby has, and he said yesterday that Rettig had the better camp and better game, but he expected Flood to pick Laviano anyway.

Why should we trust Bobby's opinion more than that of the coaching staff?

 

[RedSpartan]

Why should we trust Bobby's opinion more than that of the coaching staff?

Because he is impartial.

 

[RU#1fan]

Nope.

This has Flood's MO all over it. He decided that CL was the starter a long time ago and is refusing to see that Rettig is actually better.

Could be. Does not hurt CL that he is from Long Island and Flood is a New York native (Queens guy).

 

[T2Kplus10]

Bobby has, and he said yesterday that Rettig had the better camp and better game, but he expected Flood to pick Laviano anyway.

Exactly, Flood made up his mind a long time ago and is refusing to see the facts.

 

[mildone]

Because he is impartial.

What happens to Bobby if RU loses too many games? What happens to Flood if RU loses too many games?

You think Flood is placing non-winning partiality for a player over whatever helps the team win?

 

[RU4Real]

Because he is impartial.

Bullshit.

Nobody is "impartial".

 

[mildone]

Exactly, Flood made up his mind a long time ago and is refusing to see the facts.

Yeah, probably Flood should be more open to what everybody outside the program has to say because they have a better perspective and more reason to want to win than Flood and his staff.

 

[ru66]

facts???? I guess you are a better judge of talent than RU's staff

 

[RedSpartan]

What happens to Bobby if RU loses too many games? What happens to Flood if RU loses too many games?

You think Flood is placing non-winning partiality for a player over whatever helps the team win?

I've heard this argument for years, and it's just wrong -- the assumption that a coach always plays the best player because his job is on the line. It's not true. I've seen, firsthand, coaches play their favorites over more talented players for any number of reasons, both obvious and mysterious. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

That is what I think is happening here. Everything I have heard, read and seen with my own eyes tells me that Rettig is clearly the better QB, for now and the future. But Flood went with his boy Laviano instead.

Whatever the case, I support the team, I support Flood, and I will support Laviano. I don't like or agree with the decision, but I'm not rooting for anyone to fail. However, this decision by Flood is personal, not business.

 

[mildone]

I've heard this argument for years, and it's just wrong -- the assumption that a coach always plays the best player because his job is on the line. It's not true. I've seen, firsthand, coaches play their favorites over more talented players for any number of reasons, both obvious and mysterious. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

That is what I think is happening here. Everything I have heard, read and seen with my own eyes tells me that Rettig is clearly the better QB, for now and the future. But Flood went with his boy Laviano instead.

Whatever the case, I support the team, I support Flood, and I will support Laviano. I don't like or agree with the decision, but I'm not rooting for anyone to fail. However, this decision by Flood is personal, not business.

Unless they are completely insane, and barring significant ethical concerns, no coach at the D1 or pro level will do anything that they think will cost them wins unless compelled by forces outside their control. Period.

There are a lot of nuances involved in a coach determining who they think is best able to help them win, including sometimes not playing the player commonly acknowledged as the most talented passer. So it might seem, to the uninformed, that the coach is "playing favorites" or "biased" or whatever. But it's not what's really happening.

No sane coach would play anyone other than the one they think will help the team win the most games in a season. Because if they don't win enough, the coach loses his job and doesn't get to chose anybody.

That's not to say that coaches don't make mistakes. But when they do make mistakes, it's in an effort to win games. Fans want to win too, but there is even less reason to think they know what they're talking about. The media has opinions, but again, no reason to trust their opinions more than the coaching staff.

 

[RedSpartan]

Unless they are completely insane, and barring significant ethical concerns, no coach at the D1 or pro level will do anything that they think will cost them wins unless compelled by forces outside their control. Period.

There are a lot of nuances involved in a coach determining who they think is best able to help them win, including sometimes not playing the player commonly acknowledged as the most talented passer. So it might seem, to the uninformed, that the coach is "playing favorites" or "biased" or whatever. But it's not what's really happening.

No sane coach would play anyone other than the one they think will help the team win the most games in a season. Because if they don't win enough, the coach loses his job and doesn't get to chose anybody.

That's not to say that coaches don't make mistakes. But when they do make mistakes, it's in an effort to win games. Fans want to win too, but there is even less reason to think they know what they're talking about. The media has opinions, but again, no reason to trust their opinions more than the coaching staff.

Sorry, but I've personally seen it at the Div 1 level. You can think otherwise, but it's a fact.

 

[JPhoboken]

Flood wants to win more than anyone. He picked the QB he thinks will give the team the best chance to win. That's good enough for me.

We all get this. But what happens when he has a bad day? Will FLood go against his mantra and pull the starter when the starter is having a bad day? This is really the big question.

 

[mildone]

Sorry, but I've personally seen it at the Div 1 level. You can think otherwise, but it's a fact.

I'm calling bullshit. It's easy to say you saw it. Provide the details of how you know it happened.