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Question for long time fans

but the Littlepage era was only 3 years...this has been going on for a while...the past 2 easily are similar to Littlepage and we have not been above 500 since 2006 so I think this is the worst period ever for RU basketball. RU was that far removed from a NCAA appearance in 1983

consider when I went to school 88-92, RU made two NCAAs and two NITs...we were a basketball school...expectations were high and those times had some of the most exciting games post 76 era. The RAC reputation was built on those years. There was a line that wrapped around the hallway of the RAC at 8 AM in the morning just to get your student tix for that months game so you didn't get sent up to the 300 section

Next year will likely be another 10-12 win season marking 3 in a row and the writing will be on the wall, just like with Littlepage, the AD will have to make a hard decision which really isn't that hard to make
Bac, I am not sure what you mean by "Next year will likely be another 10-12 win season.....
...the AD will have to make a hard decision which really isn't that hard to make."
You are insinuating that one more season like this one and Hobbs has an easy decision to make a coaching change?
That's hard to believe.
 
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Mike Rice scandal was rock bottom. Losing program, xfers out, TONS of TV press. There is such a thing as bad publicity.
 
Bac, I am not sure what you mean by "Next year will likely be another 10-12 win season.....
...the AD will have to make a hard decision which really isn't that hard to make."
You are insinuating that one more season like this one and Hobbs has an easy decision to make a coaching change?
That's hard to believe.
Learn to read the time stamp on posts, boss.
 
Not sure why RUBaseball dredged this up and posted as if a current thread. Bad forum etiquette but I am guessing a mistake.

But... the thread, after I realized the date, got me to thinking. The original post was two thirds into our first year of B1G play and Eddie's second year, a day after a 10 pt loss to Purdue and a month removed from the Wisconsin upset (and our last win of that season). My recollection was that morale was way down at that point (was probably ever since the UL beatdown the previous season). We still had to endure Eddie's third and final season. While Pike's first two seasons are less then mediocre just looking at the numbers, what a different feeling for the program's direction and what the future holds.
I did think it was a current thread. I don’t check date and times of every post I read.
 
Bac, I am not sure what you mean by "Next year will likely be another 10-12 win season.....
...the AD will have to make a hard decision which really isn't that hard to make."
You are insinuating that one more season like this one and Hobbs has an easy decision to make a coaching change?
That's hard to believe.


Holy moly..this is why it was ridiculous that this thread was brought up again...now two posters accusing me of negativity on the current Pike program ...failing to see that the thread was 3 years old talking about Eddie Jordan..smfh
 
Mike Rice scandal was rock bottom. Losing program, xfers out, TONS of TV press. There is such a thing as bad publicity.
No, the Bannon naked free throw incident was the beginning of the downfall. When Bannon left we hired Waters and we had some good years until Bob Mulcahy pushed him out and brought in Fred Hill Jr. Hill was the first of 3 bad coaches in a row.
 
Re: Question for long time fans--a 45 year perspective

I've followed RU MBB closely for 45 years and have been there through every high and low point and every point in between Absolutely, this point in Rutgers men's basketball is worse than the Littlepage era, in this sense. The very next season after Littlepage's worst year in '87-88 (7-22, 3-15 in Atlantic 10 conference), THE TEAM WENT TO THE NCAA TOURNAMENT!! Does anyone on planet earth think that next year's RU MBB team is going to the Dance? Following that '88-89 NCAA season, Bob Wenzel's teams went to the NIT, the NCAA again--our last appearance there-- and then the NIT. Unfortunately, his success didn't continue. Prior to Littlepage's three years ( a smart and decent guy whose skills were best suited to athletics administration rather than coaching and recruiting) the wonderfully successful 12 year tenure of Tom Young took place (albeit with a somewhat easier schedule), so Littlepage was sandwiched between two successful coaching stints, underscoring the fact that his time at RU was a major anomaly.

From that viewpoint, the present situation is worse than the Littlepage years, because our prospects are pretty bleak in the near future. However, I do not say that for the sake of fostering negativity. I know I'll take my lumps for sounding negative but all I'm really trying to say is that fans should be realistic and patient and not be unduly angry at Eddie or the kids. The current hole we are in is so deep that it's going to take years to even claw our way back to ground level. Nine seasons of mediocrity, now deteriorating into downright awfulness.The Mike Rice mess. Aging, inadequate facilities. Inadequate funding. A low regional and national reputation injurious to recruiting This team cannot play together, can't score from anywhere in the half court, can't get back on D, defend the three or stop guard penetration, can't shoot fouls. It's painful to watch.

I appreciate that a few fans try to find a little silver lining in this dark cloud in terms of next year's team, but I see no reason for optimism. Our best players are departing, in Mack and Jack. We have several returning second year players who have shown only some flashes of ability. There are some returning upperclassmen of modest skills, plus a crop of unproven rookies (yes, including Corey Sanders) and returning redshirts, none of whom have played a minute of varsity BB. No proven, go-to guys, a roster full of second stringers. I am not looking forward to next year in this rugged B1G conference.. However, things could start to get a bit better in year four; not terrific, but better. There'll be a lot of experience and some teams with minimal individual talent get better just through playing together a lot as a team

As for Eddie, I remain grateful that he even was even willing to wade into this swamp. In a sense, job one was to restore at least a modicum of credibility to our battered program, and Eddie brought deep RU roots, NBA creds and some class and panache. As for long term prospects of attaining even a modestly winning record and an NIT appearance, I have my doubts, like most others, but let's give the guy a chance. It's not like we have the reputation, money or support for this program to suddenly reel in a college BB coaching superstar.

I’m at 40 plus and this nails it well

It hurt that we were the best program in the east as the big east was formed and we turned them down.

Yes we were that good. On the level with Syracuse, St. John’s, Villanova, Georgetown, and we had a near .700 winning percentage from 74/75 through 78/79. Best program in the east and turned down the big east and have been playing behind since
 
I’m at 40 plus and this nails it well

It hurt that we were the best program in the east as the big east was formed and we turned them down.

Yes we were that good. On the level with Syracuse, St. John’s, Villanova, Georgetown, and we had a near .700 winning percentage from 74/75 through 78/79. Best program in the east and turned down the big east and have been playing behind since
There are different time horizons on which to define "program" but it seems that we were the best team in the East at the time rather than the best program... we were relative newcomers to the top of the region, and perhaps some of those others were at the time but I have a hard time believing all of them were.

I bring this up not to be pedantic but to question whether we would have been able to sustain that level after Bailey graduated. I would think the best program in the region would have been able to sustain that with or without BE membership -- because the Big East wasn't THE BIG EAST at first -- and we didn't.

The other reason I reply is to keep the thread up top and watch more replies roll in to posts from 2015.
 
This has happened to me in the past as well...All of a sudden there is a three year old thread at the top of the list in this forum...sometimes this site is real buggy...
 
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but the Littlepage era was only 3 years...this has been going on for a while...the past 2 easily are similar to Littlepage and we have not been above 500 since 2006 so I think this is the worst period ever for RU basketball. RU was that far removed from a NCAA appearance in 1983

consider when I went to school 88-92, RU made two NCAAs and two NITs...we were a basketball school...expectations were high and those times had some of the most exciting games post 76 era. The RAC reputation was built on those years. There was a line that wrapped around the hallway of the RAC at 8 AM in the morning just to get your student tix for that months game so you didn't get sent up to the 300 section

Next year will likely be another 10-12 win season marking 3 in a row and the writing will be on the wall, just like with Littlepage, the AD will have to make a hard decision which really isn't that hard to make

Totally off base here. I'm frankly shocked you even posted this - maybe my sarcasm meter is kaput - but these last two years are Nothing like Littlepage.

Nothing
At
All.

Not even close.

Littlepage was getting smoke by the likes of Duquesne, St. Bonaventure, George Washington and other long dead presidents.

He was worse than Jordan.

And to post Hobbs will have a difficult decision next year?

I'm really thinking you are joking. You gotta be, right?
 
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Totally off base here. I'm frankly shocked you even posted this - maybe my sarcasm meter is kaput - but these last two years are Nothing like Littlepage.

Nothing
At
All.

Not even close.

Littlepage was getting smoke by the likes of Duquesne, St. Bonaventure, George Washington and other long dead presidents.

He was worse than Jordan.

And to post Hobbs will have a difficult decision next year?

I'm really thinking you are joking. You gotta be, right?
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I have no idea why this thing popped up again. I guess we should expect to see the Waters Snow Day thread at the top of the board again.
 
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Totally off base here. I'm frankly shocked you even posted this - maybe my sarcasm meter is kaput - but these last two years are Nothing like Littlepage.

Nothing
At
All.

Not even close.

Littlepage was getting smoke by the likes of Duquesne, St. Bonaventure, George Washington and other long dead presidents.

He was worse than Jordan.

And to post Hobbs will have a difficult decision next year?

I'm really thinking you are joking. You gotta be, right?
Nah. He was dead serious and completely accurate when he wrote it in 2015.
 
I would call the present, “The Most Exciting Time in Rutgers basketball history.” Maybe you think I’m joking but far from it.

Wenzel was my freshman year so I missed littlepage and had 4 years of great times. We took two steps back when we joined the Big East and never hired another coach who was able to compete at that level. I believe Mike Rice would have done it but the pressure got to him. I really liked Rice so I’ll leave it at that.

The drop to the AAC wasn’t much of a drop because these schools were still kicking our asses. And then we went to the Big 10 and again, we had no depth and the scholarships we offered were to kids not good enough to play in the Atlantic 10.


We finally have a coach and an AD with a plan and it’s going to work. And we are not losing Pikiell to Uconn either. Circle 2019 as a year we start to break out. 2020 is a year where we could be a threat to win the conference championship. Maybe we do, Maybe we don’t, but we will be a threat in 2020.
 
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