Greg should stand up for Rice not just because of the player Ray was but how Ray Rice admitted he had a problem, went out and did something about the problem then became a spokesman that went out trying to help others keep from having the same problem or if they have it, get help so it can be fixed and become a better person..
If my daughter forgave a man who punched her full force in a casino elevator I would have some SERIOUS self reflection to do in my shortcomings of a father in teaching her about self respect.
Forgiveness is one thing, to celebrate an individual is something completely different. While I may not personally forgive Rice for what he did I am no person to judge how others want to forgive, and if they choose to forgive that's absolutely fine. It's an entirely different discussion when it comes to "celebrating and honoring" the man. Some things are too egregious to forgive, see Joe Paterno. I will never support honoring an abuser. Regardless of forgiveness, you don't celebrate abusers
Which is why he deserves to live his life as he wants, as his family is able to.Many people feel the way you do.
It's just that the woman involved forgave him, married him and still is with him that makes me think those that can't forgive aren't looking at the whole picture and might not even try.
Especially after what Rice has been doing since that incident to make himself a better person, admit his behavior was unacceptable and be out there trying to keep others from doing the same.
The main thing is relationships need to be loving and violence has no part in in any relationship.
Ray was wrong and no excuse s can be given, but when alcohol is involved bad things tend to happen a lot easier especially when both have a bit too much .
Being drunk isn't an excuse or even a valid reason, at any time, for hitting a woman .
But trying to atone for what you did and how the injured party feels needs to be taking into consideration when it comes to forgiveness .
That is unless you qualify to be the one to "cast the first stone" and that isn't just in this case alone, but any and every mistake one made that could have adversely affected others .
for added thought
Janay Rice gives her own account of night in Atlantic City - ESPN
Janay Rice, in her own words
Janay Rice shares her account of the incident with Ray Rice in Atlantic City, and their lives since that night with ESPN's Jemele Hill.www.espn.com
The HOF mentions nothing about being a model citizen. It’s all about athletic achievement
I can definitively say that I have NEVER physically laid a violent hand on a woman no. And yes I absolutely pass judgement on ANY man who has physically abused a woman in any capacity.
What in the Andrew Tate did you just write??Lots of prosecutors like celebrity scalps. There were prosecutors who wanted to nail Ray but his girl had no injuries - not even bruises so no aggravated assault. I think they were both "in the bag" so to speak so she was probably not all the that alert to begin with.
The vid that hit the news was edited and made to look worse than the original (I saw it). She did spit at him first and that's not something to do to a pro football player since a lot of them are on a slow boil to begin with.
In my HS the white guys and the black guys were both afraid of the black girls going off - some would scratch your corneas out without hesitation. Some can force you into physical posture defensively. I don't know what wife was like before all that but maybe they aren't a couple of fuzzballs at home.
More than a few women would rather have a rough guy that wont take mess rather than a cupcake. If she can spit at a guy and call him names and slap at him etc. she'll hate his guts more than for fighting. These two didn't grow-up in Alpine or Franklin Lakes. Ray's father was murdered and he could have wandered the wrong path.
These days surveys of dating sites say over 60% of woman want to be roughed-up with hair-pulling, spanks etc. The Lawrence Welk days are well over in that regard.
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Question for you. What about the wrongdoings that those in the Hall of Fame did but were never found out? Do they still deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?
The way I see it, the HOF isn't meant to glorify individuals. I always thought it was just a way to highlight the achievements themselves. Not to highlight the player as a person.
And most baseball fans think it is a travesty that Pete Rose wasn’t inducted into the HOF during his lifetime.
Not so. Part of admission to the HOF includes:
I believe Rose should be in the HOF because of how he played and what he accomplished on the field , but understand the reason he was and probably will be left out ( gambling on MLB games along with a lack of integrity and poor character off the field).
Fair enough question. I would say yes, if I felt that they were a good person and had 100% owned up to their mistake. Ray has been more repentant about his horrific actions as much as I can recall ever seeing. What he did was simply wrong, but he has owned it and it's time. Would I want to see him him receiving a man of the year award, no. But this isn't that. It's recognizing his accomplishments on the Banks. At this point, given how Ray has dealt with everything since, I don't feel his past should be an automatic disqualifier. The idea has my support
Kinda interesting that the only people kept out of that hall of fame for sportsmanship and character are rose and guys that cheated with roids (and some of those guys snuck through and are in )
