Ray Rice Teams up with Greg Schiano - Link

[Knightmoves]

both guys on the outside looking in. Some interesting reader comments below the article.

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ith_help_from_ex-rutgers_coach_greg_schi.html

 

[Caliknight]

I believe the Cornell guy posts here. He should do his own homework. Rice is left handed.

Eve so, Ray is deserving of another shot. I believe he will get it.

 

[RU4Real]

While he may be deserving of another shot, I don't think he'll get it. The article is dead-on - Rice isn't going to be anyone's first choice given his age, lengthy period of stagnation, decreased performance prior to his arrest, etc. It's just business.

 

[mikemarc1]

While he may be deserving of another shot, I don't think he'll get it. The article is dead-on - Rice isn't going to be anyone's first choice given his age, lengthy period of stagnation, decreased performance prior to his arrest, etc. It's just business.

Couldn't agree more. Its a combination of both. Off ice incident and declining production..don't see him playing in the NFL anymore.

 

[RichDonRU]

So let him try out and if he can't hack it, don't sign him. I just think he, like all those other players, at least, deserves a chance to show if he can play.

 

[j10oreo]

Would be a very different story if he had a pro-bowl type season right before his incident. But he's showing early signs of wear and tear. Even MJD would have quality seasons when you knew the Jags were gonna run it on every play.

 

[MADHAT1]

Rice might get a chance to prove himself once the season starts and a team needs to add a experienced RB for depth
Don't think he'll get a shot when training camps open in about a week, players with less mileage will be getting look-sees first.
I would have thought New England might give him a tryout at their camp under a non guaranteed contract, but deflate gate
probably will keep the Patriots away from making that move.
I think Ray will be back in the NFL around mid-season

As for Schiano, this board has been over that issue since he left Tampa Bay.
I think his Buc money runs out after this season ,so 2016 will be the year that will prove those who say he won't be hired as a HC anywhere are right or wrong
I think Greg will be back in College as a HC and at a P-5 school
He could wind up as a Pro DC or mid-major HC.
If either happens, I just admit I was wrong about him getting a P-5 HC position.

 

[Abro1975]

Here's where I can see Schiano winding up:
1. Miami (Golden on a warm seat , former coach, good academic P5 school)
2. U Virginia ( London on a HOT seat, great academic school, Schiano's teams always had high APR scores)
3. Syracuse (Coach Shafer on a warm seat), Schiano is a well known coach there from his RU days.
4. USF (Coach McTaggert on a warm seat, Schiano lives in the area, won't have to pay relocation costs, lol)
5. Illinois- (Coach & AD on a hot seat due to abuse and coverup allegations)

6. Assistant at New England or Jets or anywhere.

7. Italian Football league and joins Dodd, Tartacoff and maybe Nova , lol Who knows, maybe even Ray Rice.

 

[MADHAT1]

"7. Italian Football league and joins Dodd, Tartacoff and maybe Nova , lol Who knows, maybe even Ray Rice."[cheers]

I would add Indiana to the mix as well.Kevin Wilson is 14-34 there and 6-26 in B1G games in four years
Purdue's Darrell Hazell might be gone after this year (his 4th), a 4-20 (1-15) in his three years makes job security a question .
Darrell was RU's WR coach Greg's first 3 years.

Both Indiana and Purdue will need to show improvement, in my opinion, for their head coaches to keep their jobs.
Schiano might be a possibility at both along with replacing Beckman as the Fighting Illini's HC

USF is a good choice , Taggart's 6-18 after two years (2-10/4-8) and USF might not give him his 4th if his 2015 season
doesn't show he can make the Bulls a winner. 5-7 might save his job, 6-6 probably would save it.

 

[scottsdaleal]

"7. Italian Football league and joins Dodd, Tartacoff and maybe Nova , lol Who knows, maybe even Ray Rice."[cheers]

I would add Indiana to the mix as well.Kevin Wilson is 14-34 there and 6-26 in B1G games in four years
Purdue's Darrell Hazell might be gone after this year (his 4th), a 4-20 (1-15) in his three years makes job security a question .
Darrell was RU's WR coach Greg's first 3 years.

Both Indiana and Purdue will need to show improvement, in my opinion, for their head coaches to keep their jobs.
Schiano might be a possibility at both along with replacing Beckman as the Fighting Illini's HC

USF is a good choice , Taggart's 6-18 after two years (2-10/4-8) and USF might not give him his 4th if his 2015 season
doesn't show he can make the Bulls a winner. 5-7 might save his job, 6-6 probably would save it.

Both Greg and Ray are RU guys....wish them both the best. Without them, we are probably not in the position we are in today.

 

[RUnumber1]

Hope and pray that Greg doesn't end up as HC of another B1G team. We don't need another top coach to recruit and play against. Greg will be very successful wherever he ends up.

 

[Dr. Potato]

He went to the NFL and bombed. No one is scared of coaching against him.

If he ends of at a P5 school it will be someplace desperate. Like a Kansas.

 

[fg7321]

Hope and pray that Greg doesn't end up as HC of another B1G team. We don't need another top coach to recruit and play against. Greg will be very successful wherever he ends up.

Especially in the NFL.....oh wait!

 

[newell138]

He went to the NFL and bombed. No one is scared of coaching against him.

If he ends of at a P5 school it will be someplace desperate. Like a Kansas.

I dont know if he "bombed" His team was improving and he just wasn't given time. How did they do after he left?

 

[Knightmoves]

Hope and pray that Greg doesn't end up as HC of another B1G team. We don't need another top coach to recruit and play against. Greg will be very successful wherever he ends up.

This is a joke, right ? Greg is such a successful HC that no one will hire him ?

I'm not a huge Kyle Flood fan but KF would run rings around Greg as a HC at a P5 program.

 

[Saint Puppy]

Schiano will land somewhere.....24 year old Ray would be in a training camp - 28 year old Ray not so much. This is more about a declining RB than anything else, but the domestic violence is the final dagger.

 

[wheezer]

if he plays no more will be a shame.....I will always remember his best

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...ear-ray-rices-fourthand29-miracle-will-endure

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

The Raiders could get away with taking Rice. I wonder if Rice has certain salary demands that are the real objection. I mean, he'd have to come in pretty cheap given all the risks involved.

 

[getmyjive11]

Hope and pray that Greg doesn't end up as HC of another B1G team. We don't need another top coach to recruit and play against. Greg will be very successful wherever he ends up.

"Top coach"???

You all worry about Greg too much. I would worry more about him as a DC than a HC. As a HC he's pretty mediocre.

 

[Dr. Potato]

 

[Dr. Potato]

"Greg Schiano has lost 12 of 13 games dating back to November, most recently being embarrassed on Thursday Night Football vs Carolina Panthers, 31-13. The Buccaneers are winless this season and Schiano is the easy target. From his kneel down tactics attacking the quarterbacks in desperation to exploiting Josh Freeman using Adderall for ADHD or his hard-on for Belichick, it appears Schiano will be gone"

 

[wheezer]

still don't see anything wrong with that last play in the Giants game.....the QB did not get to kneel down.....if he would have fumbled the ball as he fell back......you never know.....now if he got his knee down first, that is another story....point is, you can never assume he would not fumble right there.....

This differs from your typical victory formation in that the Giants did not execute it properly, protecting the QB till the kneel down

 

[Bamm Bamm Rubble]

Tom is simply an A-Hole! Always been and always will be! He never liked GS and never liked Rutgers. I know it pains our Giants fans here, but it's the truth.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

The Giants OL was to blame. You could see the TB defense was coming. The OL was not ready for the snap.. their fault.

 

[BigLou]

Schiano's is not passing up jobs because of the Bucs money. Most likely if he took a job the Bucs would have to pay the differential. My guess is that he has not been offered a HC position so he stays home.

 

[MADHAT1]

Schiano's is not passing up jobs because of the Bucs money. Most likely if he took a job the Bucs would have to pay the differential. My guess is that he has not been offered a HC position so he stays home.

Though I defend Schiano when I think he's being attacked without just cause, your opinion is probably dead on.

I think in most HC contracts there is a clause that the firing team will deduct what is being made from what they pay.
More than likely Greg hasn't receive a P-5 offer and isn't looking to leave Florida for a mid major school or ( like you said) no real interest from any school for their open HC position.

 

[Knightmoves]

Though I defend Schiano when I think he's being attacked without just cause, your opinion is probably dead on.

I think in most HC contracts there is a clause that the firing team will deduct what is being made from what they pay.
More than likely Greg hasn't receive a P-5 offer and isn't looking to leave Florida for a mid major school or ( like you said) no real interest from any school for their open HC position.

MADHAT1,

You say that you think that Greg will get a P5 HC position but believe that he has not been offered one yet ? Do you think the market for Greg's services will be better in the future than it has been the past two years ? The longer he is on the sidelines the more difficult it will be for him to get hired as a P5 HC. What school wants a HC who has been unemployed for multiple seasons ?

 

[MADHAT1]

MADHAT1,

You say that you think that Greg will get a P5 HC position but believe that he has not been offered one yet ? Do you think the market for Greg's services will be better in the future than it has been the past two years ? The longer he is on the sidelines the more difficult it will be for him to get hired as a P5 HC. What school wants a HC who has been unemployed for multiple seasons ?

We've talked about this in one two-maybe more of the many Schiano threads that pop up monthly since he was fired by Tampa.
Yes I think he'll get a P-5 HC position and said that before.
He's keeping his name out there and I believe has supporters ( in college circles) that consider Greg someone that could make a down program into a respectable one.
Also the length of time he has been away is starting to work on his side on some of the things he took blame for when the Bucs weren't winning and helped cause him being let go.
Josh Freeman has been let go by another pro team and the way Schiano demoted him was criticized.
Now that move looks likes like it was a good one and the way Tampa played under Lovie proved Tampa needed a lot of work and Greg might have been let go too soon because of the way he handled disciplining pro players and not just poor gameday coaching..

I think his time away from football has opened up some eyes and now they see Schiano's style is best for building college programs, but not really suited to handle pro egos.
A major power won't hire him, but a lower level P-5 team might feel he's just what the doctor ordered when it comes to making their FB program respectable .
The man has been networking and when it was said he never interviewed for a HC position, I think someone posted proof that Schiano interviewed at a P-5 school for their HC position.
But don't know who posted it or what thread it was in.
So I'll just say I think, not that I know Schiano interviewed for a HC position .

Do you still think he'll get a mid major HC position like you said he'd get instead of being hired by a P-5 school.
Not putting words in your mouth, but you did gruelingly say you thought that would happen if he got a College HC job.

 

[Knightmoves]

We've talked about this in one two-maybe more of the many Schiano threads that pop up monthly since he was fired by Tampa.
Yes I think he'll get a P-5 HC position and said that before.
He's keeping his name out there and I believe has supporters ( in college circles) that consider Greg someone that could make a down program into a respectable one.
Also the length of time he has been away is starting to work on his side on some of the things he took blame for when the Bucs weren't winning and helped cause him being let go.
Josh Freeman has been let go by another pro team and the way Schiano demoted him was criticized.
Now that move looks likes like it was a good one and the way Tampa played under Lovie proved Tampa needed a lot of work and Greg might have been let go too soon because of the way he handled disciplining pro players and not just poor gameday coaching..

I think his time away from football has opened up some eyes and now they see Schiano's style is best for building college programs, but not really suited to handle pro egos.
A major power won't hire him, but a lower level P-5 team might feel he's just what the doctor ordered when it comes to making their FB program respectable .
The man has been networking and when it was said he never interviewed for a HC position, I think someone posted proof that Schiano interviewed at a P-5 school for their HC position.
But don't know who posted it or what thread it was in.
So I'll just say I think, not that I know Schiano interviewed for a HC position .

Do you still think he'll get a mid major HC position like you said he'd get instead of being hired by a P-5 school.
Not putting words in your mouth, but you did gruelingly say you thought that would happen if he got a College HC job.

My bet is that no P-5 school can justify hiring Greg with their Boosters with his recent track record in Tampa and now on the unemployment line. While a USF seems like a reasonable destination, keep in mind that USF fans are also Bucs fans and they universally hate Greg from what I can tell.

Schools like Illinois, Indiana and UVA have far higher FB goals than hiring a guy with a track record like Greg to turn their programs around. That's why I think that Greg ends up someplace much lower than that.

But I think he ends up somewhere next season. His prospects after that are in greater decline IMO.

 

[Abro1975]

Schiano won 5 of his last 6 Bowls games, was Coach of the Year i 2006 for several award giving organizations, his teams always had high APRs, was interviewed and turned down Michigan, and possibly other high profile schools. Brought RU from the ashes of D1 basement to being a dropped pass away from the Orange Bowl.

His last 2 years (and only years) had better record at Tampa than the next guy that took over.

I'm guessing he's waiting for an NFL job as HC or coordinator, and then will take a P5 job (Miami, Virginia, Illinois, Syracuse etc) by the 2016 season , should his NFL aspirations not materialize.

 

[RU4Real]

I'm sorry, but the chances of Schiano's next job being an NFL HC position are exactly the same as the chances of my dick growing so long that I have to have my pants lengthened.

I got nothing against the guy, but he's toxic as far as NFL GMs are concerned.

 

[Abro1975]

Toxic is a bit strong. Why do you say this? Because of his Victory formation thing in the Giants game? Prima donna players complaining? Belichek got fired and came back and learned. Pete Carrol was fired TWice and came back. Parcells was almost fired by the Giants, George Weiss gave him one more year, then saw progress.
Since there are only 32 NFL jobs , I do agree his chances of landing a College job is much better than an NFL job. But Toxic? geez.

I'm sorry, but the chances of Schiano's next job being an NFL HC position are exactly the same as the chances of my dick growing so long that I have to have my pants lengthened.

I got nothing against the guy, but he's toxic as far as NFL GMs are concerned.

 

[RU4Real]

Toxic is a bit strong. Why do you say this? Because of his Victory formation thing in the Giants game? Prima donna players complaining? Belichek got fired and came back and learned. Pete Carrol was fired TWice and came back. Parcells was almost fired by the Giants, George Weiss gave him one more year, then saw progress.
Since there are only 32 NFL jobs , I do agree his chances of landing a College job is much better than an NFL job. But Toxic? geez.

It's really not too strong a word, based on what I've heard from the many people I still know in the League and with various teams.

His overall attitude / demeanor isn't compatible with most team philosophies or management styles. Put simply, the guy's an asshole. Sure, for 11 years he was OUR asshole and he did great things for the program but his schtick only plays when you win. It doesn't play when you're losing 13 games a season.

 

[Abro1975]

His being an 'A hole" might be the most compelling reason for your 'Toxic' arguement, lol. I've heard the same from a friend of mine who ran the 2006 NJ vs Northeast All Star game at Rutgers Stadium.

PS- can you imagine the Syracuse fan's reaction , should Schiano wind up there? They hated him for a decade, calling him Monkey Man , or something like that, lol. It would be priceless, lol

It's really not too strong a word, based on what I've heard from the many people I still know in the League and with various teams.

His overall attitude / demeanor isn't compatible with most team philosophies or management styles. Put simply, the guy's an asshole. Sure, for 11 years he was OUR asshole and he did great things for the program but his schtick only plays when you win. It doesn't play when you're losing 13 games a season.

 

[RU4Real]

His being an 'A hole" might be the most compelling reason for your 'Toxic' arguement, lol. I've heard the same from a friend of mine who ran the 2006 NJ vs Northeast All Star game at Rutgers Stadium.

PS- can you imagine the Syracuse fan's reaction , should Schiano wind up there? They hated him for a decade, calling him Monkey Man , or something like that, lol. It would be priceless, lol

It would be splendid karma for the Sadexcuse fans to have to hitch their wagon to the man they once called "Shady".

As for his reputation... Back when I was writing for this site, I collected more than a little anecdotal evidence of the fact that the man has the people skills of an East German border guard.

In fact... I've actually encountered East German border guards. I liked them better.

 

[rutgersal]

Schiano won 5 of his last 6 Bowls games, was Coach of the Year i 2006 for several award giving organizations, his teams always had high APRs, was interviewed and turned down Michigan, and possibly other high profile schools. Brought RU from the ashes of D1 basement to being a dropped pass away from the Orange Bowl.

His last 2 years (and only years) had better record at Tampa than the next guy that took over.

I'm guessing he's waiting for an NFL job as HC or coordinator, and then will take a P5 job (Miami, Virginia, Illinois, Syracuse etc) by the 2016 season , should his NFL aspirations not materialize.

I think Schianos best shot at the NFL is to get the Miami job if it becomes available, build them back up ala, Pete Carroll at USC, then hopefully land his next NFL opportunity.

 

[MADHAT1]

Schiano's chances to land a pro HC job should be considered very slim at best and not likly the best way to describe his chances, after no chance at all.
But given a good chance, not great , for a DC position in the pros.
As for landing a college HC job, he has a great chance at a mid major school and a fairly good chance at a P-5 school that needs to start working towards making their program respectable.
Even those who dislike Greg have to agree he did that at Rutgers.
Look for a down and out P-5 school trying to get out of the basement top take a good look at Greg because of what he did for the RU FB program.
His personality might have turned off some people, but he did get the type of recruits RU needed to make RU FB a respected program and have the fanbase that only expected failure, start having expectations of greatness.
Failing to reach that greatness turned many RU fans against Schiano , making them refuse to think he'll get another shot at a College HC position.
Failure as a pro HC can be a drawback, but there is a big difference between handling pro and college players.
So his losing the Buc job and what was said about him as Tampa's HC, might not be that much of a drawback for a P-5 school trying to become a respectable FB program and keep them from hiring Greg if they can agree on salary and control.
Indiana and Illinois come to mind while if they dump their head coaches
But, for some reason I can't explain, Purdue might be a long-shot to go after Schano if they let go of their HC.

We can all express our opinions about Schiao's employment prospects ,the HCing hires for the 2016 season will show which opinion was right.
I'll go with P-5 HC position ,others seem to feel as a HC he's toxic , lets see how this turns out after the 2015 College Football season ends.
Remember I stated: anything but a P-5 position I'll admit I was wrong and that includes if he gets a Pro DC position for 2016 or a HC spot at a mid major.

Maybe some others posting in this thread would like to predict where Greg will be in 2016
Unemployed?- P-5 HC ?= Mid major HC ?- Pro/College DC ? - College or Pro position coach ?
High School Coach ?
TV commentator ?
This could be fun seeing what some of us feel what the 2016 season will be like for Greg Schiano.

 

[PSU_Nut]

So let him try out and if he can't hack it, don't sign him. I just think he, like all those other players, at least, deserves a chance to show if he can play.

If he didn't come with the baggage and likely media circus I am sure they would. To most it simply not worth while to have him in camp.

 

[getmyjive11]

Schiano's chances to land a pro HC job should be considered very slim at best and not likly the best way to describe his chances, after no chance at all.
But given a good chance, not great , for a DC position in the pros.
As for landing a college HC job, he has a great chance at a mid major school and a fairly good chance at a P-5 school that needs to start working towards making their program respectable.
Even those who dislike Greg have to agree he did that at Rutgers.
Look for a down and out P-5 school trying to get out of the basement top take a good look at Greg because of what he did for the RU FB program.
His personality might have turned off some people, but he did get the type of recruits RU needed to make RU FB a respected program and have the fanbase that only expected failure, start having expectations of greatness.
Failing to reach that greatness turned many RU fans against Schiano , making them refuse to think he'll get another shot at a College HC position.
Failure as a pro HC can be a drawback, but there is a big difference between handling pro and college players.
So his losing the Buc job and what was said about him as Tampa's HC, might not be that much of a drawback for a P-5 school trying to become a respectable FB program and keep them from hiring Greg if they can agree on salary and control.
Indiana and Illinois come to mind while if they dump their head coaches
But, for some reason I can't explain, Purdue might be a long-shot to go after Schano if they let go of their HC.

We can all express our opinions about Schiao's employment prospects ,the HCing hires for the 2016 season will show which opinion was right.
I'll go with P-5 HC position ,others seem to feel as a HC he's toxic , lets see how this turns out after the 2015 College Football season ends.
Remember I stated: anything but a P-5 position I'll admit I was wrong and that includes if he gets a Pro DC position for 2016 or a HC spot at a mid major.

Maybe some others posting in this thread would like to predict where Greg will be in 2016
Unemployed?- P-5 HC ?= Mid major HC ?- Pro/College DC ? - College or Pro position coach ?
High School Coach ?
TV commentator ?
This could be fun seeing what some of us feel what the 2016 season will be like for Greg Schiano.

I have always believed that having Miami, BC and VT leave for the ACC helped Rutgers the most. Greg should get some credit as well, but I feel like the Big East being watered down really accelerated Rutgers rise from the bottom.

 

[MADHAT1]

I have always believed that having Miami, BC and VT leave for the ACC helped Rutgers the most. Greg should get some credit as well, but I feel like the Big East being watered down really accelerated Rutgers rise from the bottom.

There are many that feel the way you do and I can't prove that's wrong.
Only say RU was so far down when Schiano took over, even a watered down version of the BE would have been stronger
than RU could handle under the HC before him

There also are those that think if some past RU Head Coaches has the support Schiano had, those coaches would have
done better than Greg did.
All I can say to that is: Greg Schiano had a list of improvements he demands before that RU had to agree to before he would accept the RU HC position, the others didn't and that's why Greg was successful and they weren't
But your watered down opinion can't be denied and I won't try to spin spin Cincy and Louie being as tough as Miami and VT was when the Bearcats and Cards replaced them.
Just that Schiano made RU FB respectable, no matter if it was easier to do without the Hokies and U in the BE.