Ray Rice Teams up with Greg Schiano - Link

[getmyjive11]

There are many that feel the way you do and I can't prove that's wrong.
Only say RU was so far down when Schiano took over, even a watered down version of the BE would have been stronger
than RU could handle under the HC before him

There also are those that think if some past RU Head Coaches has the support Schiano had, those coaches would have
done better than Greg did.
All I can say to that is: Greg Schiano had a list of improvements he demands before that RU had to agree to before he would accept the RU HC position, the others didn't and that's why Greg was successful and they weren't
But your watered down opinion can't be denied and I won't try to spin spin Cincy and Louie being as tough as Miami and VT was when the Bearcats and Cards replaced them.
Just that Schiano made RU FB respectable, no matter if it was easier to do without the Hokies and U in the BE.

Kind of funny... Joe Paterno advised him to make those demands before taking the job. Paterno was also the one pushing for Rutgers to join the Big Ten. When you recognize those two points, Joe was probably one who should get some credit for where Rutgers is right now. And I am not a Paterno shill, so please don't lecture me on him. I'm just making an observation.

 

[RU4Real]

There are many that feel the way you do and I can't prove that's wrong.
Only say RU was so far down when Schiano took over, even a watered down version of the BE would have been stronger
than RU could handle under the HC before him

There also are those that think if some past RU Head Coaches has the support Schiano had, those coaches would have
done better than Greg did.
All I can say to that is: Greg Schiano had a list of improvements he demands before that RU had to agree to before he would accept the RU HC position, the others didn't and that's why Greg was successful and they weren't
But your watered down opinion can't be denied and I won't try to spin spin Cincy and Louie being as tough as Miami and VT was when the Bearcats and Cards replaced them.
Just that Schiano made RU FB respectable, no matter if it was easier to do without the Hokies and U in the BE.

Strong post.

To which I would only like to expand up by saying that "the HC before him" was actually a pretty good coach. Probably not a very good administrator and certainly had zero cred with anyone in New Jersey, but... He was a good coach.

Terry Shea knows football. For my money, he'd be the only other person I'd want in a Ralph Friedgen sort of role, going forward.

 

[MADHAT1]

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Kind of funny... Joe Paterno advised him to make those demands before taking the job. Paterno was also the one pushing for Rutgers to join the Big Ten. When you recognize those two points, Joe was probably one who should get some credit for where Rutgers is right now. And I am not a Paterno shill, so please don't lecture me on him. I'm just making an observation.

I understood Paterno advised Schiano not to take the RU job and that list might have had some of the complaints Paterno had concerning Dick Anderson's time as the RU HC.. So I won't say Paterno deserves any credit because he advised against taking the job. His reasons for advising against taking the job might have helped Schiano know some of what was needed to fix the RU FB program, but Paterno wasn't giving that type of advise. So I'll just say I think you're mistaken and not call you something I don't think you deserve to be called .

Paterno pushed for Rutgers to have another eastern based team and Rutgers was the logical choice , considering Paterno had a hard on for Pitt because they didn't back his Eastern Conference and was part of the reason it failed to happen.
Again I feel you are mistaken and overlooked Paterno not wanting to help Pitt and RU was the best choice between the other eastern schools if you look at it realistically.

In both cases you're giving Paterno far more credit then he deserves.

 

[rutgersal]

I have always believed that having Miami, BC and VT leave for the ACC helped Rutgers the most.

This is a fallacy, because it wasn't like we replaced 3 losses with 3 wins. Miami, BC, and VT were replaced with Louisville, Cincinnati, and USF. We lost more than we won against Louisville and Cincinnati, though we owned USF for the most part. If we assume VT would have continued to own us,then the impact probably was +1 victory from 2005 - 2013. It did help some, but not materially. I think we roughly would have been at the same place had the departures not occurred.

 

[GSGS]

I think that Ray is getting a bum rap over his last full season in Baltimore. It is true that he wasn't at his best, he was reportedly out of shape that year and not as quick or focused. However, the biggest reason for his 3.1 yards per carry average was that the Ravens oline was TERRIBLE!!! Ray's backup that year, Bernard Pierce, averaged even less than Ray did. I watched a few Ravens games that year, and I don't think I've ever seen an NFL oline do a worse job in run blocking.

 

[getmyjive11]

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I understood Paterno advised Schiano not to take the RU job and that list might have had some of the complaints Paterno had concerning Dick Anderson's time as the RU HC.. So I won't say Paterno deserves any credit because he advised against taking the job. His reasons for advising against taking the job might have helped Schiano know some of what was needed to fix the RU FB program, but Paterno wasn't giving that type of advise. So I'll just say I think you're mistaken and not call you something I don't think you deserve to be called .

Paterno pushed for Rutgers to have another eastern based team and Rutgers was the logical choice , considering Paterno had a hard on for Pitt because they didn't back his Eastern Conference and was part of the reason it failed to happen.
Again I feel you are mistaken and overlooked Paterno not wanting to help Pitt and RU was the best choice between the other eastern schools if you look at it realistically.

In both cases you're giving Paterno far more credit then he deserves.

My comment was kind of tongue in cheek. Clearly, Paterno wasn't trying to help Rutgers.

 

[MADHAT1]

My comment was kind of tongue in cheek. Clearly, Paterno wasn't trying to help Rutgers.

So you were only trying to bring Penn St into this conversation and I fell for it :chairshot:

edit: back to the subject , Terry Shea was a very good offensive minded coach, but he lacked
some of the other qualities that make a good HC.
Overall Schiano was a pretty good HC and shouldn't be considered great one while he was the RU JHC.
But should be considered a HC that was a great program builder, defensive coach and the type of coach Rutgers needed when he was first hired.
By the time Greg left Rutgers he had made RU fans feel good about RU FB,but expected more than Schiano's teams were giving them.
It was time for him to leave and see if a new HC could move Rutgers FB into the elite status from the good program Schiano made it .
Greg raised RU FB fans expectations and he became a victim of that because of not bringing RU to a BCS Bowl .
Nothing wrong with expecting more than minor bowl games and no conference championships after learning to expect greatness because Greg Schiano built a program that RU fans were confident of achiving big things.

Ray Rice right now won't be given a shot, but when the season starts and RBs start going down, experienced RBs like him will be in demand for the minimum price.

 

[getmyjive11]

So you were only trying to bring Penn St into this conversation and I fell for it :chairshot:

Nah, the connection is there. Just not to the level that I was saying.