Realistic Goals for First Year Coaches

[kennyschiano]

We are not good. We have no talent or depth. There is a reason everyone except for some of you thought we would be decent this year.

here is a good article:

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/196102734/college-football-first-year-coach-expectations

Chris Ash, Rutgers: Keep the team out of the headlines. All publicity is not necessarily good publicity in college football. Rutgers was a disaster the last several years, with scandal after scandal, but now athletic director Julie Hermann and coach Kyle Flood are gone. The Scarlet Knights did go to a bowl game in 2014, but otherwise just about everything has gone wrong since they got invited to the Big Ten. For Ash, a quiet season in which everything goes right off the field would be a nice step forward, even if Rutgers doesn't return to the postseason.

Schiano went 2-9 and then 1-11 in years 1 and 2

People need to get with it.

 

[Plum Street]

Sure . But i think people are more upset that the effort is not there today . Losing is ok at this point but getting blasted by another conference bottom feeder is not ok. This is pathetic

 

[RU Golfer]

Bottom line is we are a very bad team. That is from a player as well as a coaching staff perspective. I am not at all impressed with the OC play selection etc. The defense shows some glimmer of light once in a while and that is about it. Let's see how it goes next year.

 

[urbanecane]

The whole "fans have to be realistic" narrative is gettign out of hand. RU is currently down 35-0 at halftime to a team that has lost 7 straight games. That is not acceptable under any circumstance. Teams like Maryland and Illinois have first year coaches and minimal talent and are not horrific. I believe it is realistic to expect this roster to be better than one of the worst college football teams of all time. Ash and company need to show something. Tired of the embarrassment.

 

[kennyschiano]

Are you really comparing a team coached by a first year head coach to a team coached by Lovie Smith? And Maryland is not good.

 

[DanceAppreciationTA]

Are you really comparing a team coached by a first year head coach to a team coached by Lovie Smith? And Maryland is not good.

Maryland beat MSU

 

[RU848789]

The whole "fans have to be realistic" narrative is gettign out of hand. RU is currently down 35-0 at halftime to a team that has lost 7 straight games. That is not acceptable under any circumstance. Teams like Maryland and Illinois have first year coaches and minimal talent and are not horrific. I believe it is realistic to expect this roster to be better than one of the worst college football teams of all time. Ash and company need to show something. Tired of the embarrassment.

Bingo. Team did not come prepared to play today and it's gone downhill all game with poor execution, lack of hustle, and lots of penalties/mistakes. That's coaching folks. I'm not saying fire Ash, but I'm saying to stop blaming it all on lack of talent.

 

[bac2therac]

Bar has been set so low that the OP feels everything can be excused including the inability to make a first down

 

[CranfordKnight]

I had such high hopes for Ash. But he's been a big disappointment. Not giving up on him, but it really appears that the best we can hope for is another Schiano- great recruiter/average coach- who can win some games by out-talenting other teams. But I don't see any indication he's going to be some great Xs and Os innovator or get us much more than middle of the pack in our division. That we are even less competitive this year is almost unfathomable.

Hope I'm wrong.

 

[RUbacker]

The whole "fans have to be realistic" narrative is gettign out of hand. RU is currently down 35-0 at halftime to a team that has lost 7 straight games. That is not acceptable under any circumstance. Teams like Maryland and Illinois have first year coaches and minimal talent and are not horrific. I believe it is realistic to expect this roster to be better than one of the worst college football teams of all time. Ash and company need to show something. Tired of the embarrassment.

We were predicted to win 2 games by the experts. Guess what ? They were absolutely right as were the posters that knew in the summer we don't have the txkdnt this year. We are on track. Next will probably be a 4 win season and on and on.

 

[rutgers4life11]

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Plenty of first year coaches have shown promise.

But all first year coaches that went on to success have shown some signs of progress.

I'm sorry, there's nothing here so far. What exactly can anyone say has been progress? Every phase of the game is amazingly worse than last year.

 

[czxqa]

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Plenty of first year coaches have shown promise.

But all first year coaches that went on to success have shown some signs of progress.

I'm sorry, there's nothing here so far. What exactly can anyone say has been progress? Every phase of the game is amazingly worse than last year.

Right, like PJ Fleck. Western Michigan went 4-8 under Bill Cubit in 2012. When PJ went 1-11 the next year it was clear the coaching staff sucked and should have been fired. No way he'd have his team 10-0 and ranked #21 three years later. Never happen in a million years because clearly every new coach shows improvement from day one.

 

[urbanecane]

We were predicted to win 2 games by the experts. Guess what ? They were absolutely right as were the posters that knew in the summer we don't have the txkdnt this year. We are on track. Next will probably be a 4 win season and on and on.

While I have a hard time believing experts were predicting 2 wins, even if that was the case I don't think anyone could have predicted THIS 2 win season. This is one of the worst college football teams of all time. First downs are a genuine struggle. I was hanging on to the lack of talent and injury excuses for a while, but enough is enough. A 2 win season for a P5 team is essentially going winless.

 

[RUbacker]

While I have a hard time believing experts were predicting 2 wins, even if that was the case I don't think anyone could have predicted THIS 2 win season. This is one of the worst college football teams of all time. First downs are a genuine struggle. I was hanging on to the lack of talent and injury excuses for a while, but enough is enough. A 2 win season for a P5 team is essentially going winless.

Yes but that s what was predicted for us. Sorry can't change that now.

 

[G- RUnit]

Even if you buy the 2-9 scenario, (Iowa, Minny, Indy and Illinois, were all eminently winnable) there is no excuse for these ridiculously bad blow outs.
Hard to see any improvement. Team was unprepared, played with no passion or emotion and quit today. OC and special teams have been particularily awful all year.

 

[ChasRC69]

We are not good. We have no talent or depth. There is a reason everyone except for some of you thought we would be decent this year.

here is a good article:

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/196102734/college-football-first-year-coach-expectations

Chris Ash, Rutgers: Keep the team out of the headlines. All publicity is not necessarily good publicity in college football. Rutgers was a disaster the last several years, with scandal after scandal, but now athletic director Julie Hermann and coach Kyle Flood are gone. The Scarlet Knights did go to a bowl game in 2014, but otherwise just about everything has gone wrong since they got invited to the Big Ten. For Ash, a quiet season in which everything goes right off the field would be a nice step forward, even if Rutgers doesn't return to the postseason.

Schiano went 2-9 and then 1-11 in years 1 and 2

People need to get with it.

With all due respect, if you're comparing the talent that Ash took over to the talent that Schiano took over, you're a tad crazy. We were the dregs of college football when Schiano took over. I won't knock Ash or any of his coaches - much - but how about blitzing once in awhile, or hitting the opposition receivers on the line of scrimmage occasionally, or trying to block a punt, or trying to throw a pass in the middle of the field (other than crossing patterns on 3rd down when the receiver is running parallel to the line of scrimmage 5 yards short of the first down marker). When things aren't going well, try something different. IMO, we don't.

That being said, I'll still be going to all the games and supporting the team until My kids put me in a home and won't let me out.

 

[rutgers4life11]

Right, like PJ Fleck. Western Michigan went 4-8 under Bill Cubit in 2012. When PJ went 1-11 the next year it was clear the coaching staff sucked and should have been fired. No way he'd have his team 10-0 and ranked #21 three years later. Never happen in a million years because clearly every new coach shows improvement from day one.

No offense, but it isn't always about record. Their fans were actually excited about Fleck in what they saw in year 1 despite the record. Certain aspects of the game were improving. What can we point to?