Recruit & Player Reactions
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Coach Ash: Son, i am trying to recreate the NC defense i architected at OSU last year and i think you are a major piece of the puzzle. are you interested?
Recruit: Yes coach. sign me up!
Recruit: Yes coach. sign me up!
That is a great pitch and hopefully it would work. My concern is, as someone posted on another thread, that if you look at the OSU Defensive recruits, few if any list Ash as the coach who recruited him. How will he improve that in an area he has no experience with.
Rettig:
Just warming up the arm, Coach Ash...
Just warming up the arm, Coach Ash...
i hear you man. and i share your concern. however, expecting someone like Ash who came from the SEC before coming to OSU to light it up in recruiting is unrealistic. having said that i believe kids are smart and you need to be able to sell yourself. you need stain. you see, think about someone like Ash walking into a recruit's home and telling them that he and Herman coached those kids that just won last year's NC. Tom Herman is killing it now. you can close with that type of experience. i think he needs to bring Hafley back from Browns to be effective in recruiting.
Who pissed in tour wheaties this morning, sorry your choice was't hired....keep jumping from thread to thread speading you negativity...or maybe take the afternoon off from the board
Fair points. It's just that I've lived through Anderson and Shea and those guys had the exact same stellar reputations to sell as Ash and it didn't help them an iota in recruiting and hence in winning. This was not a well thought through hire and the lack of institutional memory of the Anderson and Shea hires among those making the decision is startling.
This: watching his video, as a sale manager, I'd hire this guy in a SECOND because I'll bet anyone dollars-to-donuts that he can CLOSE, something Fudd couldn't do, and that's what is important as the HC!
Anderson and Shea had the personalities of a door and a door knob.
Damn. Even if Jon Pollock never played a down he's going to be my favorite player for the next 4 years. What a hell of a young man.
Look at me: I have an agenda to smear Ash's name because he's no Golden or Cristobal. Those guys are real winners with a proven track record.[winking]
And I think that is what the naysayers are forgetting.
Which explains why they were unhinged.
cured, looks like you have a much better memory than i. i remember the hoopla around the Shea hire. all i remember though was that he can bring the west coast offense. that is all i remember. sounds more an accidental hire. he actually was plucked from BC Lion's as a QB coach.
in contrast, it is reported that Ash made it clear before joining Meyer, that he wants to be a HC and wanted to learn from the best in the business. he is not an accidental HC, he has been preparing for a long time. however, it was Meyer who brought him in. Meyer could have brought anyone to run his D. if Fickell could have done it, Meyer probably didn't need Ash. Meyer wanted to run a very specific D scheme and chose Ash to do it. what's amazing is that they won NC his first year doing so. i still remember their run last year. how much they progressed in just 1 year is unbelievable. now, OSU had the talent base to pull this off and we don't today. we need a HC who is a visionary who understands the Xs and Os. my biggest complaint against KF was that he is not a visionary i think that was because he lacks the deep insight of the game. always playing scared. no confidence. i think we have a good hire. now we need to get us a good staff.
in contrast, it is reported that Ash made it clear before joining Meyer, that he wants to be a HC and wanted to learn from the best in the business. he is not an accidental HC, he has been preparing for a long time. however, it was Meyer who brought him in. Meyer could have brought anyone to run his D. if Fickell could have done it, Meyer probably didn't need Ash. Meyer wanted to run a very specific D scheme and chose Ash to do it. what's amazing is that they won NC his first year doing so. i still remember their run last year. how much they progressed in just 1 year is unbelievable. now, OSU had the talent base to pull this off and we don't today. we need a HC who is a visionary who understands the Xs and Os. my biggest complaint against KF was that he is not a visionary i think that was because he lacks the deep insight of the game. always playing scared. no confidence. i think we have a good hire. now we need to get us a good staff.
Doug,
Not trying to put you on the spot but as someone who played on as high a level as anyone I know of here and your involvement in the game since, what do you think about all this?
I like his energy level. You can see he isn't going to get outworked.
One thing I never liked about Flood. He is only like 45 but looks and has the energy of someone older.
One thing I never liked about Flood. He is only like 45 but looks and has the energy of someone older.
I don't know if you saw in another thread here. someone quoted my article from another Rutgers site about Ash. I have been in Ash corner for some time. I know everyone wanted a HC with experience, but something about Ash made you go WOW. I would run through brick walls for this guy. Unlike a lot of posters here I try to look at the personality, Xs and Os, style as a coach, and how players and recruits respond to the coach. Also, how does he fit into the culture of Rutgers.
my example of how I saw Ash, Golden and Cristobal:
Golden- OK personality, CEO when it comes to Xs & Os, too laid back as a coach, player & recruits like him, but it's not a strong love for him. P*ssed on Rutgers once and only once. No second chances.
Ash- infectious personality, strong knowledge of Xs & Os, pumped as a coach, players & recruits love him and love to play for him. Gives new life and energy to Rutgers after a laid back Flood.
Cristobal- good guy, understands the game well, upbeat style of coaching, player & recruits like him and will play for him. Was a part of the Rutgers culture years ago, but grew cold feet when offered another chance as the HC. Now he has fewer chances as a HC, suddenly he like Rutgers again. No thank because he'll always be looking for the next opportunity to head south again.
It was time for a fresh face at Rutgers.
Thanks for the response. I'm never too old to try to learn.
Glad to see your pretty psyched as I am.
God I hope he doesn't use the word "architected."
Well he did coach at Princeton for a year (97)
Met Pollack at a tailgate before the MSU game.. Didn't look that big. Didn't look that athletic. Didn't look like a Rutgers guy.. I believe he is going to be a star...:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Now, now ---- let's not insult innocent door knobs everywhere.
Here is one of Ash's recruting tools
http://www.ecrater.com/p/22277046/ohio-state-buckeyes-2014-2015-national-championship
http://www.ecrater.com/p/22277046/ohio-state-buckeyes-2014-2015-national-championship
He played in a junior all star game last year with Ll the bug names that Flood missed (Haskins etc). He belonged there. Stood,out as a tough player.
How in gods name can you compare this guy to Shea and Anderson? Coaching and recruiting go beyond reputation. You can see in the first 5 minutes of his interviews this guy has "it" His personality and intensity comes through the screen, you don't think that will help in recruiting? No one knows how he will do until he starts coaching and recruiting.
Perhaps it's time to sit back and see what happens instead of speading your holiday jeer in every thread? There is really no connection in any way to Andersen or Shea....stop trying to manufacture one. People here are onto your schtick.
with recruiting we will keep some, lose some, get some new one's, some of the one's we lose will be by design. In any transition you will have change, hopefully we will retain most of the one's the new coach wants to retain and add a few new one's based on his philosophy, leadership, and vision for the program. I am excited about a new defensive approach. We have gotten pretty far away from the good aggressive defenses of the late Schiano era, I welcome the return of kick ass defense.
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