There will be no discipline if left up to the school. While I like their coach personally, Knox and his father run that room.
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Multiple St. John vianney guys ran up into the stands and got involved pushing and shoving ,little Knox was going back and with the crowd the whole time leading up to it ,they have suspended entire basketball programs for much less then this …..whole situation is a joke , it was students talking crap the whole time and nothing too serious , no reason for a grown man to get involved, what’s Mr Knox going to do if Cornell ever goes to Iowa ? Is he going to fight all of carver ? I mean hell they threw full beers at starocci ….and the reaction from people on Mineo forum and the internet makes this more embarrassing so many trying to justify “defending his kid” …Knox is like 19 and one of the best wrestlers in the country his daddy needed to protect him from mean words and someone flipping him the bird? lol give me a break .. the consensus seems everyone should bow down to SJV and Knox and not boo , my team was half as good as SJV and we got heckled worse every time we walked into the pit or went to high point and none of our parents felt the need to start brawls amongst women and children and some of our parents were real tough guys unlike Mr Knox
Billy Townson moves into the finals and will be wrestling for a CA state championship at 132.
He is going against Moses Mendoza, who is the #5 ranked wrestlers at the weight and a Michigan commit. Townson is ranked 12th at the weight but just beat the #6th ranked wrestler, Ashton Besmer, in the semi-finals 6-0. He got a reversal and 4 nearfall at the end of the second.
He is going against Moses Mendoza, who is the #5 ranked wrestlers at the weight and a Michigan commit. Townson is ranked 12th at the weight but just beat the #6th ranked wrestler, Ashton Besmer, in the semi-finals 6-0. He got a reversal and 4 nearfall at the end of the second.
Excellent! Good matchup against another big ten recruit let's see how well he competes.
Kill the man with the ball would be a criminal offense now. I don't know how my generation of latch key kids, could possibly raise a generation so soft. We turned no parental supervision into wrapping our kids in bubble wrap.
If you look at the home towns of the wrestlers at those 5 private schools, you’d see public representation everywhere. Unfortunately recruiting is out of control to the point where the private schools don’t even pretend to hide it anymore.
In an individual sport when you wrestle to one champ, the end results will be the same. But these private schools are basically stealing district and region titles away from kids that would otherwise win them. It’s unfortunate.
It’s only going to get worse. SJM showed everyone by way of the senior SPP Harris transfer how to steal a state team title not to mention their Nazareth PA kid that has already transferred in and out twice and will apparently age out senior year meaning he will transfer from SJM back to PA a third time. Rumor is SJM is already recruiting a bunch of PA kids and is trying to poach some Bosco kids.
Blair just got a huge donation and is trying to poach top talent from both private powerhouses and public school kids that will medal this year. Wheeling and dealing. They even have some of these kids from other schools dropping in for practices while the season is going on. You can bet Blair will fully reload after losing to Delbarton for the first time ever.
I thought there were recruiting rules that was supposed to stop this nonsense? I actually think Delbarton is the worst positioned in this BS because they rarely accept transfers and won’t pay athletes.
It’s a joke but this year will be telling. Let’s see what the finals in AC look like. Delbarton set the record by qualifying every wrestler for AC. That had never been done in NJ history. And their only kid that wasn’t in the regions finals is a sophomore and had Chapman and Mendbileg (2 and 3 ranked) in his Regions bracket.
Hard not to route for a guy like Chapman. These private schools were all over him for years but he was loyal to Cranford. Same for Lavalle at HP. I give them a ton of credit because they prevailed without all the advantages the privates school wrestlers have in terms of training, coaching, etc.
I don’t mind Blair doing their thing because they’re not a part of the NJSIAA.
There are rules against recruiting, but I’ve never seen the state do anything about it. I know of multiple public coaches in multiple sports in the Shore that have sent athletic directors and representatives from the NJSIAA screen shots of texts sent from parochial coaches who are trying to poach their players. Nothing is ever done about it.
And there’s the problem - NJSIAA asleep at the wheel and helped create this mess. If SJM doesn’t grab senior Harris they don’t win team states. Is that how this is going to be every year?
Well if the NJSIAA tries to do something and penalizes someone they run to the courts and get it overturned/injunctions so why should they even try to enforce the rules with how the world operates today See how everything comes full circle. We can’t pick and choose when we want the NJSIAA to have absolute oversight and decision making power governing our HS sports.
NJ wrestles to one state champ, why does it matter who’s in your district or region? You have to beat the guy if you want to be a state champ so why does it matter when you wrestle him? NJ went away from super regions to get more kids to AC then allowed the top 4 kids in each region to advance. How much more does the NJSIAA have to water down the state tournament before the complaining about the parochials stops?
In terms of the parochials , none of these kids are being coached in the room in any meaningful way. They all go to clubs and their club coaches are the ones who are drilling techniques and styles. A public kid can get the same level of coaching as a parochial kid.
Finally, if you want to be upset about something, be upset about the fact that every state champ except Jaden James will be a reclass. Harvey Ludington will be 20 years old in October. I didn’t turn 20 till I was a junior in college. The reclassing is out of control and the reclassing advantage is more acute if you send your kid to a public.
I’m sure LaValle and Ludington wrestled 14 year olds this season in their public school league. These guys are 19 going on 20 wrestling 14 or 15 year olds. This reclassing crap will kill the sport just as fast as the dominant parochials.
For perspective Ludington wrestling a freshman is akin to him wrestling a 7th year college senior. It’s insane!
In terms of the parochials , none of these kids are being coached in the room in any meaningful way. They all go to clubs and their club coaches are the ones who are drilling techniques and styles. A public kid can get the same level of coaching as a parochial kid.
Finally, if you want to be upset about something, be upset about the fact that every state champ except Jaden James will be a reclass. Harvey Ludington will be 20 years old in October. I didn’t turn 20 till I was a junior in college. The reclassing is out of control and the reclassing advantage is more acute if you send your kid to a public.
I’m sure LaValle and Ludington wrestled 14 year olds this season in their public school league. These guys are 19 going on 20 wrestling 14 or 15 year olds. This reclassing crap will kill the sport just as fast as the dominant parochials.
For perspective Ludington wrestling a freshman is akin to him wrestling a 7th year college senior. It’s insane!
Not every wrestler has a chance at being a state champ but many have a more realistic goal of being a district champ.
Imagine being a kid from south jersey who wants to be a district champ, but instead you get to face Rocco Dellagatta in the finals, who attends a school an hour away from his hometown, which is another 1.5-2 hours away from your district host site.
I have no issue with private and public schools facing each other to determine one state champ, but the path there needs to be tweaked because there are a number of districts and regions where there is absolutely no excitement in the gym and that’s a problem for the growth of the sport.
Imagine being a kid from south jersey who wants to be a district champ, but instead you get to face Rocco Dellagatta in the finals, who attends a school an hour away from his hometown, which is another 1.5-2 hours away from your district host site.
I have no issue with private and public schools facing each other to determine one state champ, but the path there needs to be tweaked because there are a number of districts and regions where there is absolutely no excitement in the gym and that’s a problem for the growth of the sport.
There are also a bunch of 5th place kids that probably deserve to be beaded to AC if not for Region 3 = Delbarton, Pope John, Caldwell, Hanover Park, and Cranford. Depending on rankings, that’s probably 5 top 20 ranked teams in one region. Then you look at other regions and they were a joke.
Not sure how feasible it is, but one potential parochial/reclass/recruiting solution is how about districts are based on the address of the student and not the school itself?
No impact on public schools, but you would break up the parochial schools at the start of the tournament at the athlete level with athletes from the Delbartons and Bergen Catholics of the world competing in their hometown districts rather than the parochial school's district. Might have some competing in District 5, some in District 6, etc. Solves for the South Jersey kid trying to be a district champ and running into a Dellagatta who lives 2 hours away. End results may not change too much from a qualifying perspective but it would at least truly be geographical.
It would also be intereesting to see how those parochials do at districts/regions with only partial teams. Heck you could have Delbarton being a district champ in multiple districts with partial rosters attending. LOL.
Would have to solve for the parochial kids who live in PA/NY/DE (closest district geographically) and "uneven" brackets, but it's definitely doable.
No impact on public schools, but you would break up the parochial schools at the start of the tournament at the athlete level with athletes from the Delbartons and Bergen Catholics of the world competing in their hometown districts rather than the parochial school's district. Might have some competing in District 5, some in District 6, etc. Solves for the South Jersey kid trying to be a district champ and running into a Dellagatta who lives 2 hours away. End results may not change too much from a qualifying perspective but it would at least truly be geographical.
It would also be intereesting to see how those parochials do at districts/regions with only partial teams. Heck you could have Delbarton being a district champ in multiple districts with partial rosters attending. LOL.
Would have to solve for the parochial kids who live in PA/NY/DE (closest district geographically) and "uneven" brackets, but it's definitely doable.
I get what youre saying. Districts need to be retweaked. And I understand why it was tweaked on the first place. Because there was a concentration of better, higher state ranked, wrestlers in the north/central districts that were being left out of qualifying for AC because the southern districts didn’t have population density. Played basketball and football at parochials when there were only A/B north/ south. We were the furthest north, parochial south school. We were actually further north than many schools that were designated north. We regularly travelled or had teams travel to our site from 1:45-2.5hours away.
I see it less that teams or individuals are traveling versus that some districts are severely watered down or unfairly difficult.
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Yeah it’s gotten out of hand. I never thought I’d see the day when 17 year old sophomores are winning state titles at light weights 106 and 113.
Sontz will be a state champ this year at 113 as a 17 year old sophomore.
Harvey Ludington may be the oldest state champ in NJ state history this weekend.
I don't think Catholic schools have enough buses to scatter their recruited wrestlers across all the districts and surrounding states.
