Refs Garbage
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We see your response every single loss - it's predictable and misguided.
I'm sure bac also thinks the refs in the Saints/Rams game didn't impact the game. Nor did the refs in the SJU/RU BE tourney game in 2011. Refs had nothing to do with Maradona's "Hand of God" goal, either.
It's simply impossible for refs to ever impact games. People should just stop trying to find fault in what is always perfectly impartial officiating that has no bearing on the outcome of any contest.
It's simply impossible for refs to ever impact games. People should just stop trying to find fault in what is always perfectly impartial officiating that has no bearing on the outcome of any contest.
I’m going to agree with Pike on this one - It was a wrestling match with a lot of no calls. Is he a whiner too? OSU cried about Wesson’s fouls the last few games and all of a sudden he doesn’t pick up a single one in the first half.
Sorry but that’s a moronic statement
Also, I want to go on record saying that the refs did not cause us to lose the game today - there were a lot of things we didn't do well, and that they did do well. But to say that the refs had "no impact" is absurd.
I gave up counting the number of moving screens - but I know that there were at least 2-3 that led directly to an open three as our defender tried to recover. Wesson's mostly clean sheet was a testament more to his coach's public petitioning of the conference than his own play today - which even drew comment from Pike after the game (who obviously knows nothing about how much reffing impacted the game, clearly). Wesson's hard to defend regardless - trying to defend him when he's not being whistled for fouls is damn near impossible.
I gave up counting the number of moving screens - but I know that there were at least 2-3 that led directly to an open three as our defender tried to recover. Wesson's mostly clean sheet was a testament more to his coach's public petitioning of the conference than his own play today - which even drew comment from Pike after the game (who obviously knows nothing about how much reffing impacted the game, clearly). Wesson's hard to defend regardless - trying to defend him when he's not being whistled for fouls is damn near impossible.
Keep crying about refs every single game as if there is a vast conspiracy againt Rutgers..every game..its not one game. Its every game and every 4th post in the game thread
I notice not one person here ever comments or bothers to look for the fouls not called on Rutgers...as if it doesn't happen...of course Rutgers always gets called for fouls and only other teams get away with it
So spoke bac, so must be correct. I mean, the coach thought different. But let's not disagree with him on the board.
Yeah, okay.
And the Star Ledger doesn’t write anti-Rutgers articles and headlines for clicks.
They don’t have “a vast conspiracy against Rutgers.”
It’s all in the minds of Rutgers fans.
And the St Johns referee walk-off years ago didn’t impact that game either. Referees are infallible.
Name all (any) of the calls today that went Rutgers’ way.
Look - we didn’t play well enough to win today.
But we shouldn’t have to put up with and overcome bullshit calls (or no calls) on most (NOT ALL!) of our games.
Your obsession defending referees is very strange.
Consistent.
But very strange.
Must be a reason for it.
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Name 1 call today where you said, “Man, the refs gave us a gift on that one.”
(I will say we got a no-call in our favor at the end of the Indiana game when Eugene bumped the player driving to the hoop.)
Did you see any blatant missed calls against RU on Saturday?
And it doesn’t have to be a vast conspiracy.
It could just be bias against us even on a handful of calls because we have sucked forever and for the most part, referees/umpires, etc. don’t think teams or players in our situation have earned it yet.
And it doesn’t have to be every single ref we encounter. Just 1 can have an impact.
In a tight game, it comes down to a handful of possessions.
Coaches say that all the time.
So even a small # of whistles (or lack thereof) can absolutely impact a game.
(I still think we lose today with “perfect” referees.)
I would have to watch the whole game again to specifically look at every play..and i am not going to bother to do that because whats the point. The refs didnt change the outcome today and 99% of the time do not. There will always be missed calls but overall this tends to end up evening out IMO
This game the refs allowed alot of stuff to go which i prefer.
Look i am not going to change anyones opinions. I am consistent in not worrying or falling back on blaming refs when something goes wrong
The amount of internet refs not on the court always amazes me
Not a vast conspiracy. Just Courtney Green for the most part. Are you saying that he didn’t make any bad calls or bad no calls against us?
The missed foul on kiss was huge because if he hits those it makes it a 5 point Gabe going into the half. Also if they called even 1 moving screen on 34 that stops and they don’t get so many open 3s. Don’t tell me it doesn’t change the complexion of the game
The hook that Wesson initiated, the scramble for the ball where each guy did the same thing and they call it on Johnson I think, the missed Kiss 3 and the whack on the head to Carter while driving were all bad calls/non calls against us. Maybe I am biased but I don't remember thinking we got away with any during the game. Due to their shooting I still think they win but it would have been a tight game if we got those calls.
Let people bitch about the refs and don't feel the need to respond "you're whinny", and maybe they'll be less discussion. Also when fans are pumped about their players and praising them, suppress the urge of the typical response, "let's not get ahead of ourselves, blah, blah, blah". Adds nothing to the conversation.
The officials were Rob Riley, Courtney Green, and Chris Beaver. Riley is a Hamilton NJ (Steinert HS) native.
https://communitynews.org/2016/01/07/ref-rob-riley-makes-the-right-call-3/
https://communitynews.org/2016/01/07/ref-rob-riley-makes-the-right-call-3/
Keep crying the opposite, too, that refs never impact anything.
And saying there are never comments about bad calls that favor us is about as accurate as saying the refs never impact the game.
Just like players have bad games/plays that impact the outcome, so do refs. There are always missed calls, just like there are always missed chippy layups. Refs are human, and their performance impacts the game as much or more than any individual player.
Even perfectly consistently called games can favor one team over the other. A really tight whistle favors teams that have good depth or who rely on interior points, and hurts teams with thinner benches or who play aggressive defense. A "let them play" whistle hurts teams that rely on dribble penetration or points from bigs, but helps teams that play aggressive defense or lack depth.
At its best, officiating is like the weather in football... the same for both teams, but potentially favoring one over the other. At its worst, it's like playing Calvinball... the rules don't seem to apply evenly to every player or situation, and can change as the game progresses.
Again I completely, respectfully, disagree.
BTW - saying “I was a ref” doesn’t mean you’re right...
....get it?? HAHAHAHA!! J/K [cheers]
Here is the biggest problem with referring that no one talks about enough
There is always going to be a degree of difference between officials on what a foul is and what gets a call. Some blow a tighter whistle and some let you play more before the whistle comes out ...and that is up to the players and coaches to know this and adjust
Here is the two problems ...that makes the difference between acceptable and unacceptable officiating
1.) a foul caller in minute one is the same call as a foul called in minute 39. It needs to
Be consistent. Regardless of the number of fouls called in a game
Refs need to not to look at the scoreboard, period!!!
. Not worry about the foul count, nkt look at the scoreboar, and not look who has many fouls that changes how that May view a call different later as the game goes on.
A foul needs to be the same ...and not a tight whistle early and let them play later...
And a lot of refs have major issues with this
2.) a foul on one end of the court needs to be the same as a foul on the court on the other end. Refs don’t reverse images and play the baseline on both sides. So there really is a different referring perspective from when you are on offense as opposed to when you are on defense. This requires the crew really to be in tune to each other calls to keep them similar.
If you have dissimilar refs on the same crew...this can really lead to in the same half having one side getting the benefit of a loose whistle while the other half of the court is a tight whistle.
This is how I judge how well a game was officiated or not.
And while there have been a few games that the officials have had a major issue this season....yesterday I didn’t think that the officiating had either one of these issues. Felt a foul was the same from minute one to minute 39...and, relatively speaking, a foul on one side of the court was the same as the other
I though the whistle was quite loose for those moving screen...but it was loose for all game and you have to adjust.
The whistle was really good for outside shooters getting free off of moving screens and for physical interior players who could either finish through non-called contact or get away with contact on penetrating guards - it was really bad for penetrating guards trying to get to the line after contact or for bigs who struggled to finish through contact.
OSU was really hot from range, so the extra space they got with the loose whistle up top played to their advantage. It also allowed their dominant big to stay in the game longer in the first half than he would have if the moving screens were being called.
It's sort of like a really windy/rainy day that forces a football team to run the ball or throw short passes - it will favor the team that has a better running game and will hurt the team that relies on the deep ball. To say after the game that the weather had no impact on the game, though, is silly - of course it did.
And I saw a big gap in how that game was called. Especially Cortney Green.
Oh... I know. I was told I was wrong by lots of people back in the day!
