Refs

[Shelby65]

Cylinder calls for defenders standing their ground as the offensive player moves into them is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen.

And how can a ref miss a travel call where the ball handler loses his balance and his pivot foot comes up 8 inches into the air?!?!

That’s not even mentioning the countless awful touch fouls called on Rutgers but not on Michigan.

Yet another screw job against the Scarlet Knights.

They weren’t standing their ground. You don’t recognize what occurred. They bodied up and continued moving forward into the player causing him to lose balance.

Not sure how often it’s called but that’s why the rule exists. Same thing on the baseline is called a push all day long with or without using hands.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Is anyone contributing to this thread a game official who has worked college games at any level?

 

[Loyal-Son]

Are we giving back the JMIke basket that came after a no call walk he committed? Officiating has nothing to do with the outcome because it usually would have been a pretty even exchange over an entire game.

Do you and your two bootlickers really believe this? Apparently, in your opinion, the officials are never biased, and their calls always balance out in the end.

How about the St. John's game several years ago where they ran off the court with seconds left to give the game to them in spite of an obvious infraction by them?

How about the OSU game we lost at the buzzer a few years ago when the shooter had obviously stepped out of bounds before taking the shot? Should we excuse that because one of them may have missed a call against us earlier in the game?

How in hell do you justify your "love" of officials after such calls?

Here's a flash for you! Officials are human beings just like the rest of us. Their biases are unintentional, but they still have them.

The one thing that is clear here is that the 3 of you never coached or played at any significant level. Just like in any profession, there are good and bad officials out there. Some of them are really biased. It is what it is. Ask any coach, and they can immediately tell you who the "pretenders" are.

I have had to console my players when an official stole the game from us. The players know and the coaches know.

I get it. You are so into this because you want to blame OUR coaches and OUR players for the loss. Your proclamations sound noble, but they are in fact disgusting.

 

[Ridge 22]

Bullshit comment. Sure during the game there are always people complaining about calls as the game goes on.

But afterwards post-loss when people are evaluating the reasons for the loss - it is just NOT accurate to say that every loss is blamed on the refs . It’s just not accurate.

Maybe there are one or two fans that always blame the refs. There’s always a few of those. Can’t helped that

But I’m talking about the majority of the fans in their assessment of the reasons after the game is over

This year - very few games have involved officiating as one of the main reasons for the loss

This game happened to be one of them - where the refs were cited post game as ONE of the reasons for the loss by a larger number of the fans

If only those refs would have gotten that call right we would have won the NCAA tournament. Happens ever year somehow. I just hate it.

 

[Ridge 22]

Sometimes that’s not enough …

And that's why we aren't good. This team doesn't have enough. Well said

 

[RedTeam1994]

I get it. You are so into this because you want to blame OUR coaches and OUR players for the loss.

Thank you for posting that.

That is really the heart of this

They are so deep into their agenda of bashing pike that they refuse to acknowledge ANYTHING that could be even remotely construed as letting him off the hook

One can concede that ALL of their criticisms of Pike are legit but they STILL refuse to accept that refs sometimes screw up (since in their minds they think that gives pike an excuse)

It absurd and so frustrating. They are unable to have an honest conversation- it
for them it’s 100% refute/ ignore/ twist ANYTHING that could even be remotely construed of weakening their position

Unfortunately this is America in 2025 and this type of behavior is found everywhere (including meaningless discussion of officiating RU basketball games)

 

[RedTeam1994]

If only those refs would have gotten that call right we would have won the NCAA tournament. Happens ever year somehow. I just hate it.

Perfect example of my comment above.

I say this ONE game the refs affected the outcome and he TWISTS it into something completely different, not even remotely close to my post

Weak

 

[Kbee3]

Do you and your two bootlickers really believe this? Apparently, in your opinion, the officials are never biased, and their calls always balance out in the end.

How about the St. John's game several years ago where they ran off the court with seconds left to give the game to them in spite of an obvious infraction by them?

How about the OSU game we lost at the buzzer a few years ago when the shooter had obviously stepped out of bounds before taking the shot? Should we excuse that because one of them may have missed a call against us earlier in the game?

How in hell do you justify your "love" of officials after such calls?

Here's a flash for you! Officials are human beings just like the rest of us. Their biases are unintentional, but they still have them.

The one thing that is clear here is that the 3 of you never coached or played at any significant level. Just like in any profession, there are good and bad officials out there. Some of them are really biased. It is what it is. Ask any coach, and they can immediately tell you who the "pretenders" are.

I have had to console my players when an official stole the game from us. The players know and the coaches know.

I get it. You are so into this because you want to blame OUR coaches and OUR players for the loss. Your proclamations sound noble, but they are in fact disgusting.

So true.

 

[seansherm]

Do you and your two bootlickers really believe this? Apparently, in your opinion, the officials are never biased, and their calls always balance out in the end.

How about the St. John's game several years ago where they ran off the court with seconds left to give the game to them in spite of an obvious infraction by them?

How about the OSU game we lost at the buzzer a few years ago when the shooter had obviously stepped out of bounds before taking the shot? Should we excuse that because one of them may have missed a call against us earlier in the game?

How in hell do you justify your "love" of officials after such calls?

Here's a flash for you! Officials are human beings just like the rest of us. Their biases are unintentional, but they still have them.

The one thing that is clear here is that the 3 of you never coached or played at any significant level. Just like in any profession, there are good and bad officials out there. Some of them are really biased. It is what it is. Ask any coach, and they can immediately tell you who the "pretenders" are.

I have had to console my players when an official stole the game from us. The players know and the coaches know.

I get it. You are so into this because you want to blame OUR coaches and OUR players for the loss. Your proclamations sound noble, but they are in fact disgusting.

Haha, love for officials, not at all. More a disdain for folk who like to blame others. Of course there are awful mistakes made like the ones you mention. None of that happened the other night. I don't remember crying when it happened in games I played either.

How can you say I've never played at a high level? Didn't you hear about my 15 points in my men's league game the other night? I was sure the world was talking about the 55 yr old leading a comeback in a game where no one else was older than 40. Damn.

I haven't blamed anything other than 25% shooting and a lack of defense. Pretty sure a comment on the coaching staff hasn't come out of my fingers. Lot of make believe in your post.

 

[seansherm]

Thank you for posting that.

That is really the heart of this

They are so deep into their agenda of bashing pike that they refuse to acknowledge ANYTHING that could be even remotely construed as letting him off the hook

One can concede that ALL of their criticisms of Pike are legit but they STILL refuse to accept that refs sometimes screw up (since in their minds they think that gives pike an excuse)

It absurd and so frustrating. They are unable to have an honest conversation- it
for them it’s 100% refute/ ignore/ twist ANYTHING that could even be remotely construed of weakening their position

Unfortunately this is America in 2025 and this type of behavior is found everywhere (including meaningless discussion of officiating RU basketball games)

This would make sense except I'm not anti Pike.

 

[RedTeam1994]

This would make sense except I'm not anti Pike.

perfectly describes many on here

 

[NickRU714]

Do you and your two bootlickers really believe this? Apparently, in your opinion, the officials are never biased, and their calls always balance out in the end.

How about the St. John's game several years ago where they ran off the court with seconds left to give the game to them in spite of an obvious infraction by them?

How about the OSU game we lost at the buzzer a few years ago when the shooter had obviously stepped out of bounds before taking the shot? Should we excuse that because one of them may have missed a call against us earlier in the game?

How in hell do you justify your "love" of officials after such calls?

Here's a flash for you! Officials are human beings just like the rest of us. Their biases are unintentional, but they still have them.

The one thing that is clear here is that the 3 of you never coached or played at any significant level. Just like in any profession, there are good and bad officials out there. Some of them are really biased. It is what it is. Ask any coach, and they can immediately tell you who the "pretenders" are.

I have had to console my players when an official stole the game from us. The players know and the coaches know.

I get it. You are so into this because you want to blame OUR coaches and OUR players for the loss. Your proclamations sound noble, but they are in fact disgusting.

There is a difference between officials being "bad" and being biased.

Do you believe that officials are ONLY bad towards Rutgers?

Was bias on the Davis backcourt? Or just bad?

Perhaps they are just bad for everyone.
I posted a few examples earlier of other fanbase reactions - it appears refs are "biased" against every teams (including when Rutgers is the opponent - which means the refs were biased against both teams somehow?)

 

[seansherm]

perfectly describes many on here

Except you were talking about me, not many on here.

 

[goru7]

I get all that. But ultimately, none of it actually matters in the big picture. We (Pike) dug our own grave this year. Refs had no tangible impact on that IMO.

Your opinion is trash. You cannot even bring yourself to admit that 2 cylinder calls and 2 missed travels and a double dribble had no impact on the game.

Now how you cannot see beating the # 13 ranked team at their place , then riding a 3 game winning streak and every team and commentator saying you don’t want to play Rutgers because your mouth is full of Pike hate is disgusting. We also would have wrapped up the BIG tourney today . And according to BAC, the bracketology guru , and your new buddy who likes every stupid shit you post , we would have been on the outer fridges of the bubble and 2 more wins get us there.
Not to mention the criticism of offense and ignoring we were up 74-62 with 10 minutes to go. But you shut your trap about that because it doesn’t fit your narrative . Yes, then Pike made some mistakes leaving Dylan out too long and keeping Manny in too long , who couldn’t finish the dunk and another with a great pass from ACE , which would have broken the 0-12 draught and probably enough to withstand the shitty reffing in the second half.

Everyone is disappointed in the way the year has turned out but every shitty thread about you wanting Pike gone has made you a shittty fan , rooting for us to lose , not seeing anything positive. You can take your fandom elsewhere because your repetitive narratives do nothing positive to these threads not the team you supposedly root for.

 

[goru7]

As soon as you admit other reasons its no longer WHY you lost.

Wrong. There you go with your contrarian post crap. You can acknowledge the first 30 minutes of offense up 12 with 10 minutes left but you won’t because it doesn’t fit your narrative. Nor will you acknowledge the 2 absolute bullshit cylinder calls , by the way in case you didn’t notice that was good defense , which you will ignore , or the 6 to 1 foul differential with 14 minutes left and that affected our defense . Or the 2 not 1 missed travel calls and the double dribble call , that you think didn’t make a major difference , and you will ignore because guess what it doesn’t fit your narrative.

Teams go on droughts all the time. If you didn’t watch Michigan/ Nebraska just their last game that 49-46 slugfest , both teams went on 8 and 10 minutes draughts not once but twice and both couldn’t hit the right side of a barn even when left wide open.
But those teams that go on draughts are tough when the take the lead in the last minute not once but twice and then the refs take it from them . That was Rutgers. Michigan had no right to win that game. But you cannot admit that because it doesn’t fit the narrative.

 

[seansherm]

Wrong. There you go with your contrarian post crap. You can acknowledge the first 30 minutes of offense up 12 with 10 minutes left but you won’t because it doesn’t fit your narrative. Nor will you acknowledge the 2 absolute bullshit cylinder calls , by the way in case you didn’t notice that was good defense , which you will ignore , or the 6 to 1 foul differential with 14 minutes left and that affected our defense . Or the 2 not 1 missed travel calls and the double dribble call , that you think didn’t make a major difference , and you will ignore because guess what it doesn’t fit your narrative.

Teams go on droughts all the time. If you didn’t watch Michigan/ Nebraska just their last game that 49-46 slugfest , both teams went on 8 and 10 minutes draughts not once but twice and both couldn’t hit the right side of a barn even when left wide open.
But those teams that go on draughts are tough when the take the lead in the last minute not once but twice and then the refs take it from them . That was Rutgers. Michigan had no right to win that game. But you cannot admit that because it doesn’t fit the narrative.

I'm not even sure what you are going on about? I won't acknowledge? I've already said if we won it would have been because the first half offense was as good as we've seen and there was just enough defense played in the 2nd.

Michigan did have a right to win. They didn't go away after our blistering 1st half. They still scored more than us. Did it take a big play at the end, yeah. Could either team have won it, yeah. We came up one defensive possession short.

You can whine about calls all you want. I don't have a narrative, pushing its the refs fault is having a narrative. Yes, teams go on droughts. If the droughts are long enough, those teams lose. There was no travel at the end. I've watched it three times, still don't see one. Cylinder calls. Whether I think they should have been called is irrelevant. They were. Just like some calls went our way.

 

[goru7]

I'm not even sure what you are going on about? I won't acknowledge? I've already said if we won it would have been because the first half offense was as good as we've seen and there was just enough defense played in the 2nd.

Michigan did have a right to win. They didn't go away after our blistering 1st half. They still scored more than us. Did it take a big play at the end, yeah. Could either team have won it, yeah. We came up one defensive possession short.

You can whine about calls all you want. I don't have a narrative, pushing its the refs fault is having a narrative. Yes, teams go on droughts. If the droughts are long enough, those teams lose. There was no travel at the end. I've watched it three times, still don't see one. Cylinder calls. Whether I think they should have been called is irrelevant. They were. Just like some calls went our way.

All you write in reply is pure crap. Go read your earlier posts about our defense and not acknowledging the refs had something to do with it. Putting your head in the sand on the cylinder calls is a cop out for the refs, who you think didn’t impact the game . Read your damn words. The old calls even out bull shit that your buddy BAC has preached for years , and then complains when the record isn’t better. Just times just have to say WoW.

 

[seansherm]

All you write in reply is pure crap. Go read your earlier posts about our defense and not acknowledging the refs had something to do with it. Putting your head in the sand on the cylinder calls is a cop out for the refs, who you think didn’t impact the game . Read your damn words. The old calls even out bull shit that your buddy BAC has preached for years , and then complains when the record isn’t better. Just times just have to say WoW.

You are a funny dude, or lady, or lets just go with person. Just for you, I went back and read all my posts. I said letting Michigan shoot 55% from the field and score 48 points in the paint are why we lost. I'd say that's a fact. Your the refs the refs reasoning are not.

Yes, I think the refs had nothing to do with the fact we lost. Questionable calls? Sure, I saw them both ways. Cylinder calls, while I think were weak, it is a rule, and I saw it called just the other day in the Iowa State/Houston match up. Even after all your awful refereeing we were still up one. I didn't see a ref mistake on the final play where we lost. We lost because we didn't get a stop we needed. We came up just short of doing enough to win. That's life.

 

[BillyC80]

People seem to forget that we did play well enough to be up 1 with 3 seconds to play at a 15th ranked team's home court and we were 10.5 dogs. So we were at point regardless of refs or anything else .Does anyone deny that at that point a refs bad call denied us the win.

We were actually up 1 with zero time on the clock, but the last shot was already in the air, unfortunately.

 

[RedTeam1994]

Except you were talking about me, not many on here.

I was?

Actually i was replying to/ quoting loyal son. Not you

If you somehow think I was only talking about you, well, that’s on you.

In fact, I WAS talking about “many on here” - hence use of the words like “they” and “their” which should have tipped you off that I was talking about more than one person.

 

[seansherm]

I was?

Actually i was replying to/ quoting loyal son. Not you

If you somehow think I was only talking about you, well, that’s on you.

I used words like “they” and “their” that should have tipped you off that I was talking about more than one person. You know, those being, plural words and all

And Loyal was only talking to me, so I can assume your "they" and "their" would have to include me since you were so thankful he said it.

 

[RedTeam1994]

And Loyal was only talking to me, so I can assume your "they" and "their" would have to include me since you were so thankful he said it.

If it makes you feel better to feel included …

 

[seansherm]

If it makes you feel better to feel included …

A lifelong goal was to be included in RedTeam1994's thoughts, so yeah, bucketlist item checked off

 

[RedTeam1994]

A lifelong goal was to be included in RedTeam1994's thoughts, so yeah, bucketlist item checked off

Only a chosen few occupy my thoughts. I won’t burst your bubble

 

[seansherm]

Only a chosen few occupy my thoughts. I won’t burst your bubble

Don't go trying to take this accomplishment away from me! My day has already been made.

 

[Ridge 22]

Your opinion is trash. You cannot even bring yourself to admit that 2 cylinder calls and 2 missed travels and a double dribble had no impact on the game.

Now how you cannot see beating the # 13 ranked team at their place , then riding a 3 game winning streak and every team and commentator saying you don’t want to play Rutgers because your mouth is full of Pike hate is disgusting. We also would have wrapped up the BIG tourney today . And according to BAC, the bracketology guru , and your new buddy who likes every stupid shit you post , we would have been on the outer fridges of the bubble and 2 more wins get us there.
Not to mention the criticism of offense and ignoring we were up 74-62 with 10 minutes to go. But you shut your trap about that because it doesn’t fit your narrative . Yes, then Pike made some mistakes leaving Dylan out too long and keeping Manny in too long , who couldn’t finish the dunk and another with a great pass from ACE , which would have broken the 0-12 draught and probably enough to withstand the shitty reffing in the second half.

Everyone is disappointed in the way the year has turned out but every shitty thread about you wanting Pike gone has made you a shittty fan , rooting for us to lose , not seeing anything positive. You can take your fandom elsewhere because your repetitive narratives do nothing positive to these threads not the team you supposedly root for.

You come off as a really angry person. Have a nice day

 

[goru7]

You come off as a really angry person. Have a nice day

It is posts like yours repeatedly bashing Pike and the players , never a positive thought , that would want any person to get you and your thoughts sent elsewhere but on these boards. There is constructive criticism and then your shitty post after post of negativity

 

[runner3283]

It's Micheatgan.

X10000

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

There is a difference between officials being "bad" and being biased.

Do you believe that officials are ONLY bad towards Rutgers?

Was bias on the Davis backcourt? Or just bad?

Perhaps they are just bad for everyone.
I posted a few examples earlier of other fanbase reactions - it appears refs are "biased" against every teams (including when Rutgers is the opponent - which means the refs were biased against both teams somehow?)

The backcourt thing was bad. But that could just mean the refs LOOK to make particular kinds of calls and the ref responsible for the ball there was not in position to make the call. How many times have you seen the "autocall" against Rutgers on a defensive layup and that same amount of contact go uncalled on the other end? How many times have you seen a missed call result in points for Rutgers opposition.. or even worse.. an offensive foul resulting in a turnover because "we" complained about a call they missed that would have bene in our favor?

It is not just a Rutgers thing.

You see UCLA complaining about being the new whipping boys in the big ten and long before us Nebraska fans complained how they were treated by officials in their new conference.

The fans that see the mistreatment and call it out have been told things like.. well, star coaches get the calls.. winning programs get the calls.. star players get the calls.. we shoot too much from outside.. you have to go inside to get the calls.

The star players thing certainly seems true this year.. we have seen Harper and Bailey both get their share of calls... though, certainly, Harper gets a lot of contact on his layups with no call also. As for going inside/outside.. we have seen that this is untrue as outside shooting teams against us also end up with more FTs.

I'd like to see broadcasts continue to total the foul counts on-screen past the bonus+ level so you might see a total like 15 to 10 for a half.

I'd like to see fouls called by official.. by name.. in favor of and against certain team names. In a game full of stats, why can't we see this? Why can't the Big Ten hire referee-grading organization NOT made up by former referees looking to protect each other? Why can't we see the scoring of these referees?

I'd also like to see how certain refs do in relation to the Vegas line in games.

Yes.. I am mainly concerned with this stuff regarding Rutgers because I am a Rutgers fan and I do not see even-handed officiating in many Rutgers games, if not most. Even half to half it can vary greatly. If I had one criticism this year.. overall.. it would be the LACK of calls overall. We do not have a very physical team. We do not body check the ball handlers and screeners very often. On D we try to form a line and have active hands to cut down passing lanes.

Most opponents seem to like to physically push us around when we are on O and there has been an awful lot of grabbing of our players on screens and such and even, I hate to say, calling Rutgers for a foul committed by the opponent. To me, this is the height of absurdity and you never see it the other way. You may see a Rutgers foul go uncalled.. but calling a foul on the player who was actually fouled.. that has to be intentional.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Some coaches are outspoken …

Auburn's Bruce Pearl Fires Shot at Officials after Alabama Loss

The Auburn Tigers dropped an overtime game to the Alabama Crimson Tide, and head coach Bruce Pearl wasn't happy with how his star Johni Broome was treated.

www.si.com