RU Bowl Talk

[RUtrumpet92]

The B1G currently has seven bowl-eligible teams. Four have five wins each: Indiana (likely to be favored over Purdue, rivalry game though); Nebraska (will be underdogs vs Iowa); Illinois (underdogs vs Northwestern); Minnesota (underdogs vs Wisconsin); and of course we can get to 5 wins if we beat Maryland (I bet we are small favorites at home).

If Iowa wins out, they will be in the playoffs. If Michigan State wins out, they will probably be in the playoffs too IMO.

Rose Bowl is not in the playoffs so it will take another B1G team. Maybe the B1G title loser, maybe the OSU/Michigan winner if MSU beats PSU. And FWIW, Jerry Palm is predicting a 3rd B1G team to the select committee bowls this year. That could make three.

B1G will have a team in the Citrus Bowl this year, plus the Outback and Holiday. That makes it five or six at this point.

B1G will put a team in either the Music City or Gator Bowl: six or seven.

B1G gets teams in the Pinstripe, Foster Farms, and Quick Lane bowl: could be 9 or 10.

Last, we are supposed to put a team in the Armed Forces Bowl this year in Ft Worth, TX. That makes 10 or 11 possible conference bids.

What if the conference comes up short in filling our allotted bids with 6+ win teams but works out arrangements to fill the remaining slots with five win conference teams? Indiana beats Purdue to take bid #8. Nebraska gets one, then us, and we are playing in the Pinstripe Bowl vs NC State, or the Armed Forces Bowl vs Air Force.

I would be happy to see us playing in those games in that scenario.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

You're an idiot for frothing at the mouth over whether a 5-7 team is worthy of playing in a meaningless exhibition game against some other crappy team. You're an idiot for acting like it's a travesty that a 5-7 team might play in a bowl game normally reserved for a 6-6 team.

Finally, you're an idiot for invoking participation trophies, that favorite boogeyman of resentful losers who like to complain about the "pussification of America" while shaking their fists at the TV =QUOTE]


Wow, a work of brilliance, thanks!!

 

[lighty]

Aren't bowl games supposed to be a reward at the end of the season? If so then a 6-6 team getting one is pretty lame and a team with a losing record should not even have a chance to get one.

The era of participation trophies needs to end. I agree with those who said let every team get the extra weeks of practice. But don't have teams with losing records go bowling!

 

[Doctor Worm]

Let us lose the outdated notion that the purpose of a bowl game is to reward a meritorious team for a good season.

The purpose of a bowl game is television programming.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Shouldn't each coach IMPROVE the program from the previous one? Rather than send it backwards.

Hate Schiano all you want, but Flood began coaching at a level that took Schiano many years to reach. If Flood was even a decent coach, he'd be beating teams with a pulse.

Don't hate Schiano at all. As I've said before, he might be a good as a re-hire. I'm just being honest. Schiano went 68-67 against a much easier schedule than Flood's 27-24. Those are simple facts. Schiano typically scheduled as easy an OOC as he could get. It was key to our positive movement, which I give him absolute full credit for. He worked miracles here up to the point where his stubborness and lack of game day coaching ability held him back.

If we beat Maryland and get a bowl bid, it's going to make life tougher for JH and Barchi for sure. But, a team with a 5-7 record going to a bowl puts us in much better shape for making a transition than 4-8 and no bowl (for hiring, recruiting, etc.). From what I see on the boards (no inside info), it looks like this report could be the straw that....

 

[lighty]

I seem to remember Schiano beating Michigan State and not letting a weak Illinois team cross midfield. I'd love to see Flood have games half as good.

And let's not forget that Flood has only had two years of tougher schedules... He's lost to some pretty average teams in the AAC as Big East as well.

 

[LevaosLectures]

I seem to remember Schiano beating Michigan State and not letting a weak Illinois team cross midfield. I'd love to see Flood have games half as good.

And let's not forget that Flood has only had two years of tougher schedules... He's lost to some pretty average teams in the AAC as Big East as well.

Can't blame him for wilting against a powerhouse like New Hampshire.

 

[gef21]

You take the bowl game no matter which one or where it is. The extra practice will help our very young kids. My one year coaching college showed me you take every minute you can use for practice, film, weight room etc.

 

[bac2therac]

extra practice wont matter if Flood is coming back and if he is gone then the extra practices wont matter because a totally different coaching staff is coming in

 

[RURM85]

I'm tired of this season. I'm hoping we beat Maryland because they're as big a mess as we are, and I'm also hoping there's no bowl in our 2015 future. No need for us to have a losing record and go play in a bowl game. That's not the point of being rewarded for playing well during the season with a bowl game. The coaching situation will take care of itself one way or the other.

 

[hiwater]

I seem to remember Schiano beating Michigan State and not letting a weak Illinois team cross midfield. I'd love to see Flood have games half as good.

And let's not forget that Flood has only had two years of tougher schedules... He's lost to some pretty average teams in the AAC as Big East as well.

...and let's not forget that both MSU and Illinois were really bad teams when we beat them so they were not any larger of an accomplishment for GS than the 2 wins vs Arkansas. I always find revisionist history very interesting, but when you look at it realistically, most of the time you realize that there is no such thing as the good old days.

 

[waretown]

I really hope this possible idea of RU going to a bowl game with 5 wins is really just a demented joke. I would hope the RU admin would have the decency to turn down such a pathetic and minor league bowl invite with a sub .500 record. Yeah I get the whole getting extra practices, players developement, etc. F that! Let our players and program feel what it means not
to play for something while our voiceless AD and clueless president allow RU to move methodically and efficiently to get a qualified staff for our football program.

The RU administration should be ashamed to continue having its highest profile sport lead by such an unqualified group of coaches with Flood #1 on the list.

I am really fed up with this bullsh*t participation trophy attitude our school displays. I have had season tixs for the past 16 yrs and have never missed watching a game whether in person, on tv, online or phone. I can honestly say that after seeing Flood not changing qbs last week with CL playing like crap, I just had to leave the stadium before the half. Never done that before and today I didn't even bother to watch the game.

Flood along with RU admin loser mentality need to go fast. Not even sure if I'm going to MD game next week.

GO RU

got to beat maryland first and thenwe stlii have a better chance being get struck by lightning

 

[hiwater]

It's an absolute DISGRACE for ANY team winning 5 games, in a 12-game season, to be "rewarded." Add to it the fact that if - AND IT'S A HUGE "IF" - we win next Saturday we will have gotten our 4th "W" against an FBS program this season and they will have come against:

0-12 (likely) Kansas
5-7 or (likely) 6-6 Indiana
2-10 (likely) Army
2-10 Maryland
(NFSU is 4-7)

...think about THAT one fellas. We will have beaten 4 FBS teams that (likely) finished with a combined record of 9-39 this season. [sick]


BTW - If one 5-7 team gets "rewarded," with 2 extra weeks of practice, IMHO, ALL teams in the FBS should get rewarded as well, regardless of record.

If there are more bowls available than teams with a winning record (which is likely) the teams that are 5 and 7 are going to be offered bowls based on their APR. That's according to the NCAA. It is a reward for graduating your players at that point.

We'll see if it actually happens that way. Bowl committees can care less about APRs. They want fans that buy tickets, travel, and spend money in the local businesses. It will be a test of the NCAA's will.

 

[RUReady76]

The decision to go/not go is best left up to the coaches and players. You broken toys are unbelievable with your comments.

 

[lighty]

...and let's not forget that both MSU and Illinois were really bad teams when we beat them so they were not any larger of an accomplishment for GS than the 2 wins vs Arkansas. I always find revisionist history very interesting, but when you look at it realistically, most of the time you realize that there is no such thing as the good old days.

except not letting a team cross midfield is pretty damn impressive no matter who you're playing...

 

[hiwater]

The decision to go/not go is best left up to the coaches and players. You broken toys are unbelievable with your comments.

It's really up to the conference. They have contracts that need to be filled. The Big will not let RU say no if there is a chance of RU getting a bowl.

 

[hiwater]

except not letting a team cross midfield is pretty damn impressive no matter who you're playing...

Yes...that is true

 

[shields]

Flood coming back means Laviano, no thanks.

 

[miket007]

Fellas i'll take that bowl bid at 5-7 hell no shame in my game & everyone knows damn well we need the extra practices, fellas over the years there have been some 6-6 teams that were left out but with the added new bowl games they need teams with losing records......

 

[Caliknight]

GS's overall record should be looked at after his first 4 years here, which I am sure he spent half of his time remaking everything inside the Hale Center.

Further, Rutgers in the B1G is vastly different than the Rutgers he was selling pre B1G. The day he went to TB, he was still leaving RU with it's highest rated class, in a severely degraded AAC.

I am not advocating that he is in the only coach out there, but for what we offer and what we have already seen him accomplish, I am more than willing to accept him back into the fold. Between what he has potentially learned, and the B1G badge that the school now has, I like the odds of him doing something bigger.

I can at least say we wouldn't be getting killed in NJ in recruiting. As Bac and 17 year old varsity football players in NJ would say, he has stain.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

What's sadly interesting to read - is the NCAA actually has no idea what they really meant by "top 5 APR"....

they never expected to get to this point... and now how to have a teleconference this week to agree what the rules really are...


while it's most likely that the "best APR 5-7 team" will be offered open spots -- it's not actually a firm rule at the moment....

 

[hiwater]

while it's most likely that the "best APR 5-7 team" will be offered open spots -- it's not actually a firm rule at the moment....

Then there is no doubt that bowl committees will test it unless they do make it a hard and fast rule..

 

[SkilletHead2]

I seem to remember Schiano beating Michigan State and not letting a weak Illinois team cross midfield. I'd love to see Flood have games half as good.

And let's not forget that Flood has only had two years of tougher schedules... He's lost to some pretty average teams in the AAC as Big East as well.

Seriously? You want to bring up Michigan State? What did Schiano do in the following week? Get taken to the woodshed by a 1-AA team? He was 12-34 in his first four years, and he once had back to back weeks where we lost by a total of 122-7.

Flood do half as well? He solidly beat a decent UNC team and had a great comeback against a good Maryland team last year. And as poorly as we have looked from time to time, nobody has beaten a Flood team 80-7.

Again, I want a coaching change, too, and I wouldn't be unhappy to see Greg back on the Banks. But we need to be realistic about his record. It was a hair above .500 and he showed no promise of taking us beyond pretty good in the Big East.

 

[LC-88]

How would GS have done with the Fridge as his OC? His OC's sucked for the most part. GS with $$$$ for a top OC = success. Doubt we get the $$$$ though.

 

[RUsSKii]

Let us lose the outdated notion that the purpose of a bowl game is to reward a meritorious team for a good season.

The purpose of a bowl game is television programming.

I have no interest in turning on my television to watch 5-7 teams play in bowl games, and don't seem to be nearly alone in this respect. So if such games are not meritorious, ratings would likely be poor, and bowl ticket sales likely low due to apathy, what exactly would their purpose be besides extra practice (which I agree should just be given to all teams)?

 

[JMORC2003]

I seem to remember Schiano beating Michigan State and not letting a weak Illinois team cross midfield. I'd love to see Flood have games half as good.

And let's not forget that Flood has only had two years of tougher schedules... He's lost to some pretty average teams in the AAC as Big East as well.

Flood got smoked by some teams in the AAC, too. There were some tough losses in the later GS years, but I can't remember getting blown out with such ineptitude and regularity as with Flood at the helm over the last 4 years.

 

[derleider]

I really hope this possible idea of RU going to a bowl game with 5 wins is really just a demented joke. I would hope the RU admin would have the decency to turn down such a pathetic and minor league bowl invite with a sub .500 record. Yeah I get the whole getting extra practices, players developement, etc. F that! Let our players and program feel what it means not
to play for something while our voiceless AD and clueless president allow RU to move methodically and efficiently to get a qualified staff for our football program.

The RU administration should be ashamed to continue having its highest profile sport lead by such an unqualified group of coaches with Flood #1 on the list.

I am really fed up with this bullsh*t participation trophy attitude our school displays. I have had season tixs for the past 16 yrs and have never missed watching a game whether in person, on tv, online or phone. I can honestly say that after seeing Flood not changing qbs last week with CL playing like crap, I just had to leave the stadium before the half. Never done that before and today I didn't even bother to watch the game.

Flood along with RU admin loser mentality need to go fast. Not even sure if I'm going to MD game next week.

GO RU

Well its not a joke. Chances are we beat MD (ignore the odds - we almost always beat bad teams under Flood). Chances are that there arent enough 6-6 teams to fill the slot. Given that - RU will be one of the top choices (behind Nebraska, Missouri, Texas, and VT should any of them not get to 6-6, but ahead of pretty much everyone else). Given that I would expect quite a few of those teams to turn down bowls at 5-7, its not really that out there that RU gets asked to be in a bowl. I too hope that RU turns it down.

I know about the extra practices but I see it this way.

If they are going to fire Flood those practices - under some interim coach, are worthless for next year - and in fact the increased odds of a kid getting hurt probably make them a net negative.

If they keep Flood, then I think the motivation of being denied a bowl bid is much more useful than a couple of weeks worth of practices 9 months before the next season starts.

 

[hiwater]

its not really that out there that RU gets asked to be in a bowl. I too hope that RU turns it down.
.

It is not up to RU. The league will dictate whether RU accepts a bid or not. The league will obviously want another team in a bowl. If RU is offer, they will be in a bowl. That doesn't mean an offer will happen Let's see what actually comes out as the hard and fast rule on how 5 & 7 teams are selected after today's teleconference

 

[vkj91]

It's also a chance for a new coach to get kids on campus during bowl practices. Even though a new coach wouldn't be coaching the bowl he'd still be here recruiting and building relationships.